SM Naruto w/ FTG vs. Nagato

[Kamui Sama]

location: Bee and Naruto vs. Itachi and Nagato
starting distance: 40m
intel: full

restrictions:
- Naruto is in regular SM (frog sage)
- Naruto has prepped ftg kunai ready to be thrown
-Nagato cannot summon the gedo mazo


scenario 1: Kurama can give Naruto chakra like he did in the war arc
scenario 2: Kurama cannot lend any chakra

 

[Apêx1]

Naruto obviously shits.

 

[Shitenshin no jutsu]

Naruto shits with these conditions.

 

[Transcendence]

This is basically Minato (who's just below Kabuto/Nagato in a top 10 ranking) with perfected Sage Mode that he can use all the time. Nagato doesn't stand a chance.

 

[Benjamin King]

Nagato still wins.

-Nothing in Naruto's arsenal can destroy the core of Chibaku Tensei. Or even destroy CT when its stage is completed and becomes a massive rock, falling down like a meteor.

-FTG useless when Naruto cannot formulate a fast striking-speed. Nothing, of course, Nagato is incapable of reacting and intercepting it, given to how he was intercepting Bee's striking-speed and he's a sensor in that matter.

-Preta Path renders his arsenal useless, still. Shinra Tensei breaks his body like it did to the toads.

Nagato > Bee & KCM Naruto >>>>>>> SM Naruto with FTG.

 

[Haizaki]

Naruto shits.

 

[Unorthodox]

Nagato still wins

 

[ARGUS]

Nagato still wins this mid diff

 

[lanakui8]

scenario 1, naruto doesn't even need ftg. SM Naruto having access to kurama's entire chakra reserves outright overwhelms nagato with wave after wave of SM chou oodama rasengan barrages or frog katas.

Naruto probably wins scenario 2 as well since tajuu kagebunshin + ability to place seals is extremely haxed

 

[KidGamer65]

Multi Shadow Clones plus Kunai Toss from each one plus a Hiraishin blitz from the original equals GG Nagato.

 

[ARGUS]

^^^^Boss sized ST sends all the clones and naruto flying back,

 

[Haizaki]

^^^^Boss sized ST sends all the clones and naruto flying back,

Ahh I doubt Nagato would be able to use this technique again for a while. Since he'll be vulnerable afterwards while Naruto can just create at least a few more.

 

[ARGUS]

Ahh I doubt Nagato would be able to use this technique again for a while. Since he'll be vulnerable afterwards while Naruto can just create at least a few more.

Naruto isn't getting back up before the intervals finished either
Not to mention that nagatos intervals most likely shorter than devas. And naruto is still taking heavy damage from an attack that one shotted the 3 gama toads.
And that one was from deva. Nagatos attacks are even stronger

 

[Touken]

I'm leaning towards Nagato. I don't think Hiraishin's enough for SM Naruto to beat Nagato.

 

[NSUNSR]

Nagato low- med diffs. in the first scenario and wins with very low diff. in the second one.

 

[lanakui8]

Naruto isn't getting back up before the intervals finished either
Not to mention that nagatos intervals most likely shorter than devas. And naruto is still taking heavy damage from an attack that one shotted the 3 gama toads.
And that one was from deva. Nagatos attacks are even stronger

Why isn't naruto getting back up before the interval finishes? Actually, why is naruto not just sensing and bracing himself with SM clones?

The gama toads were oneshotted because they are giants against a gravity attack. The bigger you are the harder you fall, proven by gamabunta

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Not only that, but the 'boss-sized shinra tensei' doesn't mean anything since gravity affects all objects equally regardless of mass. CST could kill anyone protected by katsuya, tsunade survived it despite having almost no chakra, deva was sent across konoha by his own attack yet is hardly even damaged.

 

[ARGUS]

Why isn't naruto getting back up before the interval finishes?

Because he is not tanking it as easily as ur stating it out to be,actually, naruto even tanking an attack this powerful from point blank is pure speculation, let alone get there within 2-5 seconds (nagatos interval is likely to be shorter than devas)

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seeing how all the marked kunais will be blown away as well, means that FTG will also be out of the question, and naruto wont be attacking him, before the CD is finished

Actually, why is naruto not just sensing and bracing himself with SM clones?

Because naruto sensing or percieving ST is nothing but fanfic,

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, nor was he able to ''sense''

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and him prepping clones is nothing but a one time thing, nor is it a sufficient defense against a powerful ST,

The gama toads were oneshotted because they are giants against a gravity attack. The bigger you are the harder you fall, proven by gamabunta

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Not only that, but the 'boss-sized shinra tensei' doesn't mean anything since gravity affects all objects equally regardless of mass. CST could kill anyone protected by katsuya, tsunade survived it despite having almost no chakra, deva was sent across konoha by his own attack yet is hardly even damaged.

Umm, regardless of the effects of gravity,
the gama toads were sent flying back by the boss sized ST,
and more force is required to do that to heavier objects,
naruto would be sent even further away, and whether his mass is high or not, the impact on the ground is breaking his bones,
his SM durability isnt high enough to allow him to just get up with no damage (which is what ur implying)
2 or 3 boss sized ST (which nagato has more than enough luxury to use) would take care of naruto

katsuyu surviving CST is nothing but stupidity when pein used CST kilometres away from them,
the further you are, the lower the affect of the force, since deva is the epicentre of ST
naruto getting hit from point blank means that hes eradicated, just how the toads were, unless you think that fodders from konoha are more durable then the gama toads

had deva used CST from point blank, then none of the konoha residents wouldve survived, since the effect of the force wouldve been much much higher, and the impact on the ground from a force that powerful wouldve killed them all, bar possibly tsunade

 

[lanakui8]

Because he is not tanking it as easily as ur stating it out to be,actually, naruto even tanking an attack this powerful from point blank is pure speculation, let alone get there within 2-5 seconds (nagatos interval is likely to be shorter than devas)

5 seconds is the minimum interval for deva path, that means his absolute weakest shinra tensei like the ones that were used to repel a kunai or dispel FRS require that cooldown. His more powerful shinra tenseis require a much longer time to recharge, and nothing suggests that nagato doesn't have this same limitation on him.

Next, SM Naruto does tank it as easily as I claim, killer bee took zero damage from nagato's shinra tensei, the boss summon shinra tensei simply has a greater AoE than that.

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seeing how all the marked kunais will be blown away as well, means that FTG will also be out of the question, and naruto wont be attacking him, before the CD is finished

Why isn't he when he can shunshin blitz asura realm? Why would all the marked kunais be blown away? I don't remember the boss shinra tensei upheaving any rubble when it blew the toads away, and if that's the case, naruto just tags the ground.

And again, 5 seconds applies to the absolute weakest of shinra tenseis, the more power nagato uses, the longer his cooldown is.

Because naruto sensing or percieving ST is nothing but fanfic,

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, nor was he able to ''sense''

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That was the first time banshou tennin was used on naruto which is why he acts in surprise, the shinra tensei hitting naruto who's trying to beat its interval doesn't have anything to do with naruto sensing it or not, naruto was just too slow to beat the interval. Base Naruto was able to react to shinra tensei with clones, why in the world does SM NAruto not react?

and him prepping clones is nothing but a one time thing, nor is it a sufficient defense against a powerful ST,

...based on what exactly? You're saying that having an army of clones that are powerful enough to toss boss summons into the clouds = not a sufficient defense against a powerful ST?

Umm, regardless of the effects of gravity,
the gama toads were sent flying back by the boss sized ST,
and more force is required to do that to heavier objects,
naruto would be sent even further away, and whether his mass is high or not, the impact on the ground is breaking his bones,
his SM durability isnt high enough to allow him to just get up with no damage (which is what ur implying)
2 or 3 boss sized ST (which nagato has more than enough luxury to use) would take care of naruto

More force isn't required to do that to heavier objects, a bowling ball will fall to the earth at the exact same rate as a golf ball. Force = massxacceleration, gravity accelerates the object, gamabunta is incomparably more massive than sm naruto and therefore it requires far more force to stop him, and he gets hit with far more force from the gravity than naruto does.

His SM durability is high enough for him to no sell the attack, he alread no-sold deva's ST, deva no-sold the ST that sent him across konoha, and killer bee took no damage from nagato's shinra tensei.

katsuyu surviving CST is nothing but stupidity when pein used CST kilometres away from them,
the further you are, the lower the affect of the force, since deva is the epicentre of ST
naruto getting hit from point blank means that hes eradicated, just how the toads were, unless you think that fodders from konoha are more durable then the gama toads

The manga never implied that the closer you were to deva, the stronger the affects of the gravity. In fact, it implied the opposite when kakashi stated he wasn't hit by a shockwave, a shockwave would be more powerful the closer you are to the source. Been over why naruto takes almost no damage from nagato's S/T.

had deva used CST from point blank, then none of the konoha residents wouldve survived, since the effect of the force wouldve been much much higher, and the impact on the ground from a force that powerful wouldve killed them all, bar possibly tsunade

I think you needs ta read up on gravity. It's not a shockwave, kakashi literally states that.

 

[ARGUS]

5 seconds is the minimum interval for deva path, that means his absolute weakest shinra tensei like the ones that were used to repel a kunai or dispel FRS require that cooldown.

And?

His more powerful shinra tenseis require a much longer time to recharge, and nothing suggests that nagato doesn't have this same limitation on him.

He is not at 1/6th of his power, nor is he using them through his puppets whilst he is kilometres away
nagato can use his large scale ST with a much shorter cool down, and can use them more efficiently with greater power, and his normal cool down is also likely to be shorter than 5 seconds

Next, SM Naruto does tank it as easily as I claim,

NO he doesnt,
his durability is not impressive at all, nor is anything suggesting that he can survive from getting blown over 800m away, where the impact on the ground breaks his bones
as shown from the scans from my previous post,

killer bee took zero damage from nagato's shinra tensei

He never landed on the ground which is where the main damage is,
and Lol that ST was miniature compared to the boss sized ST, it was just nagatos normal ST that he utilised on the trio,
unless you think that all ST have the same amount of damage?

, the boss summon shinra tensei simply has a greater AoE than that.

It was a focused ST,
the force was powerful enough to repel a target that weighs tons, several meters away, naruto gets blwon away much easily,

Why isn't he when he can shunshin blitz asura realm? Why would all the marked kunais be blown away?

Are u seriously implying that asuras reflexes are the same as nagatos?
and are u seriously implying that the distance that naruto covered to hit asura is over 800m?

and Lol the marked kunais would be blown away just how naruto would be,
its a repulsive force, it repels, its common sense

I don't remember the boss shinra tensei upheaving any rubble when it blew the toads away,

Because the ST was focused,
nagato can focus his power precisely on who and who not to hit,

and if that's the case, naruto just tags the ground.

naruto tagging the ground when he is getting blown away is fanfic at its finest,
tagging the ground still doesnt help when naruto has no way whatsoever of percieving ST, nor does he have the reflexes to react to ST,

And again, 5 seconds applies to the absolute weakest of shinra tenseis, the more power nagato uses, the longer his cooldown is.

Nagato can use his much stronger ST with much shorter cool down,
are u seriously implying that nagatos ST are the same in strength as deva?

That was the first time banshou tennin was used on naruto which is why he acts in surprise, the shinra tensei hitting naruto who's trying to beat its interval doesn't have anything to do with naruto sensing it or not, naruto was just too slow to beat the interval. Base Naruto was able to react to shinra tensei with clones, why in the world does SM NAruto not react?

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are we reading the same manga here?
SM naruto was unable to react or percieve ST, he had full knowledge of Pein whether you like it or not,
and had knowledge on BT as well before he was brought in and pinned down,

Naruto never reacted to ST with clones, he had prepped the clones prior to the attack,

...based on what exactly? You're saying that having an army of clones that are powerful enough to toss boss summons into the clouds = not a sufficient defense against a powerful ST?

Lifting strength is different from durability,
narutos clones were getting poofed by a miniature ST from deva,
boss sized ST from a much stronger entity eradicate the clones with ease,

More force isn't required to do that to heavier objects, a bowling ball will fall to the earth at the exact same rate as a golf ball. Force = massxacceleration, gravity accelerates the object, gamabunta is incomparably more massive than sm naruto and therefore it requires far more force to stop him, and he gets hit with far more force from the gravity than naruto does.

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a greater force is required to push a truck compared to pushing a ball,
its common sense,
if ST had enough force to push the toads that weigh well over a ton, kilometres away, then pushing naruto at a further distance is no problem at all,

the further he is pushed the longer the force of gravity would be active,
and again narutos durability in SM is not impressive enough to allow him to tank more than 2 Boss sized ST,

His SM durability is high enough for him to no sell the attack,

Please provide scans, because im starting to think that this is nothing but fanfic now

he alread no-sold deva's ST, deva no-sold the ST that sent him across konoha,

the fact that deva wasnt even active throughout half of the fight and the fact that he diidnt even use his powerful ST against naruto doesnt mean that naruto can tank it

and killer bee took no damage from nagato's shinra tensei.

i have answered this exact post atleast 3 times now,
stop repeating the same thing over and over again,

killer bee didnt even land on the ground, (whcih is where the main damage of ST comes from) nor was that ST anywhere near a boss sized ST, it was just a normal ST from nagato

The manga never implied that the closer you were to deva, the stronger the affects of the gravity.

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the closer u are to deva the stronger the force would be, since u are closer to the epicentre (who is nagato himself)
Devas ST is not gravitational force for crying out loud,
however the stronger the pushing force would be, the longer the target would be on the air, meaning that the impact on the ground would be stronger,

logic mate, just use it

In fact, it implied the opposite when kakashi stated he wasn't hit by a shockwave, a shockwave would be more powerful the closer you are to the source. Been over why naruto takes almost no damage from nagato's S/T.

Actually u havnt provided any arguments for narutos ''fanfic'' durability,
you seem to lack knowledge on nagato here

I think you needs ta read up on gravity. It's not a shockwave, kakashi literally states that.

scans on kakashis statement? because i have no clue what ur on about
and Lol you seriously need to read up on gravity and you also need to take basic physics, or just read the manga abit throughly
im sure you will understand

 

[Apêx1]

I'm leaning towards Nagato. I don't think Hiraishin's enough for SM Naruto to beat Nagato.

How it will go. Naruto makes 5 clones. FRS is X, Kunai's are Y. Nagato is Z.

Formation of attacks.


--Z
------ Preta range or escape

--X
Y Y Y

--X
Y Y Y


First X/Y is deflected with Deva, then it's on CD. Now he needs to do to something about the incoming FRS/Kunai. Absorbs Preta? Kunai is still coming and Naruto Hirashin>Kills. Anything else gets raped by FRS. Attempting to dodge will mean Naruto teleports to one of the side kunai's and tags/kills.