[Theory] To all those naive children who think permanent peace has been achieved [Must Read]

[3MESSIAH]

Agreed.that is why i always say that true peace is only a state of mind

 

[Mr Hiru]

...

You forgot the skyscrapers. With the new technology, war isn't a belic thing necessarily.

Now porn is the way for true peace.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

GUYS I WROTE AFTER THIS MUTUAL PAIN IS FORGOTTEN i.e AFTER NARUTO AND THIS GENERATION DIES.
READ BEFORE YOU COMMENT!!!

Your argumentation has many hole in it. In addition, you selected panels that only support your points. This is a shameful way of building an argument - the typical loser style.

In case you still don't know what naruto's peace is, you need to record it once for all - that is real peace can be achieve only as a result of cooperation between all the parties involved. It can be reach only when everyone agree to listen and support one another.

Now, if you still don't get it, there is a panel between Madara and hashirama before Hashirama left. Madara said that Hashirama's vision remains, but his vision is lost. See, the will of fire, the concept of cooperation is about everyone working together while teaching the next generation the same will. This has been done individually in most village with Will of Fire, Stone Will, etc.

Right now, there is an international security council in which all the five nation reside, and this security council is actually a real-life model (e.g., UNO). This is a timeless solution, and though villain may appear, they will be fight with full power from the new alliance.

 

[TheWolfHasSpoken]

Your argumentation has many hole in it. In addition, you selected panels that only support your points. This is a shameful way of building an argument - the typical loser style.

In case you still don't know what naruto's peace is, you need to record it once for all - that is real peace can be achieve only as a result of cooperation between all the parties involved. It can be reach only when everyone agree to listen and support one another.

Now, if you still don't get it, there is a panel between Madara and hashirama before Hashirama left. Madara said that Hashirama's vision remains, but his vision is lost. See, the will of fire, the concept of cooperation is about everyone working together while teaching the next generation the same will. This has been done individually in most village with Will of Fire, Stone Will, etc.

Right now, there is an international security council in which all the five nation reside, and this security council is actually a real-life model (e.g., UNO). This is a timeless solution, and though villain may appear, they will be fight with full power from the new alliance.

You could not be more wrong sir!
my argument has many holes in it? care to elaborate some of those holes? I backed up my argument with legit manga facts and proof but what did you provide? you did not even understand the purpose and meaning of my thread friend. And yet you accused me of following the typical loser style? lolwut.

I dont need to argue about what narutos peace is since you did not understand my thread. The similarities between Pain's sayings and the peace that was achieved are exactly the same thing. That is why you need to understand that since peace has been achieved through co-operation and mutual feelings developed between the five nations but that is temporary as Nagato mentioned because that co-operation is only because of the mutual pain and sufferings that was suffered by this generation of shinobi through the Juubi and the akatsuki. What would happen after a hundred years when they are forgotten?

Heck even the So6p was forgotten and considered as myth!

Now moving on to the next argument. Hashiramas vision was not entirely correct as the wars which followed his system showed. Madara only said that because he was deceived into thinking that the Infinite Dreamworld technique was reality.Madara knew that peace cannot be achieved till the shinobi system remained as Pain also mentioned in my scan. The will of fire and stone dont count in this situation.

What happens when economic development increases in the world. Inflation, yes that is what happens in the smaller nations those not so lucky in terms of economic development. What happens then? rebellions. What next? Wars. Yes thankyouverymuch.

In the naruto world peace was only possible through ninshuu as it was foreshadowed over a long time but that was just thrown out of the window.

Do you think that peace has been achieved in our world? And the UNO security council guarantees it? lol wut. The security council is just like a group of monarchs ruling over the smaller nations. they can veto any resolution without anyone questioning them. Nothing can be accepted without their permission. Like for example the Israel-palestine war. America never backs out its support from the israel which resulted in about 3000 people being mercilessly killed including women and children a few months back.

 

[TheWolfHasSpoken]

Your argumentation has many hole in it. In addition, you selected panels that only support your points. This is a shameful way of building an argument - the typical loser style.

In case you still don't know what naruto's peace is, you need to record it once for all - that is real peace can be achieve only as a result of cooperation between all the parties involved. It can be reach only when everyone agree to listen and support one another.

Now, if you still don't get it, there is a panel between Madara and hashirama before Hashirama left. Madara said that Hashirama's vision remains, but his vision is lost. See, the will of fire, the concept of cooperation is about everyone working together while teaching the next generation the same will. This has been done individually in most village with Will of Fire, Stone Will, etc.

Right now, there is an international security council in which all the five nation reside, and this security council is actually a real-life model (e.g., UNO). This is a timeless solution, and though villain may appear, they will be fight with full power from the new alliance.

You could not be more wrong sir!
my argument has many holes in it? care to elaborate some of those holes? I backed up my argument with legit manga facts and proof but what did you provide? you did not even understand the purpose and meaning of my thread friend. And yet you accused me of following the typical loser style? lolwut.

I dont need to argue about what narutos peace is since you did not understand my thread. The similarities between Pain's sayings and the peace that was achieved are exactly the same thing. That is why you need to understand that since peace has been achieved through co-operation and mutual feelings developed between the five nations but that is temporary as Nagato mentioned because that co-operation is only because of the mutual pain and sufferings that was suffered by this generation of shinobi through the Juubi and the akatsuki. What would happen after a hundred years when they are forgotten?

Heck even the So6p was forgotten and considered as myth!

Now moving on to the next argument. Hashiramas vision was not entirely correct as the wars which followed his system showed. Madara only said that because he was deceived into thinking that the Infinite Dreamworld technique was reality.Madara knew that peace cannot be achieved till the shinobi system remained as Pain also mentioned in my scan. The will of fire and stone dont count in this situation.

What happens when economic development increases in the world. Inflation, yes that is what happens in the smaller nations those not so lucky in terms of economic development. What happens then? rebellions. What next? Wars. Yes thankyouverymuch.

In the naruto world peace was only possible through ninshuu as it was foreshadowed over a long time but that was just thrown out of the window.

Do you think that peace has been achieved in our world? And the UNO security council guarantees it? lol wut. The security council is just like a group of monarchs ruling over the smaller nations. they can veto any resolution without anyone questioning them. Nothing can be accepted without their permission. Like for example the Israel-palestine war. America never backs out its support from the israel which resulted in about 3000 people being mercilessly killed including women and children a few months back.

 

[TheWolfHasSpoken]

It's probably not a permanent peace but it has gotten a lot better

yes exactly this is just temporary peace as Pain explained. This was the point of my thread, after like 100 or more years they would be back to wars and stuff

 

[TheWolfHasSpoken]

It's probably not a permanent peace but it has gotten a lot better

yes exactly this is just temporary peace as Pain explained. This was the point of my thread, after like 100 or more years they would be back to wars and stuff

 

[Kakuzu Jr]

You forgot the skyscrapers. With the new technology, war isn't a belic thing necessarily.

Now porn is the way for true peace.

Especually when everyone starts banging each other when the war ended. All these post-war baby boomers.

Except for Kiba. He's going to be a lonery perv like Jiraiya. He'll need porn the most.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Especually when everyone starts banging each other when the war ended. All these post-war baby boomers.

Except for Kiba. He's going to be a lonery perv like Jiraiya. He'll need porn the most.

Or he used Akamaru. Did you see the poor dog in chapter 700? Geez...

 

[LilyRose]

I think that everyone is looking too much at the big picture, where, yes, peace has been achieved, and not enough at the small things. Everyday problems, disagreements between individuals or small groups, old rivalries that people don't let go. Just because the nations have achieved peace, doesn't mean that problems have magically disappeared in the smaller and more remote places. Plus, natural disasters still occur. So while the goverments are at peace, it may not be universal. Which would explain why they still have ninja in the first place. So while militaries are rather useless now, having ninjas around to act as search and rescue, escorts, and natural disaster clean up and prevention, there is still plenty that probably needs doing.

 

[salsalover64]

Yeah, I think you have an excellent point which is part of why I created that thread urging people to evaluate and discuss the future of konoha. Although it's "just fiction" the layers of the anime are still complex enough to evaluate and discuss. Afterall, fictional stories and folklore is used as a method of promoting certain values, beliefs, and principles within a culture as well as the establishment of roles within that culture. With that being said, folklore, fictional stories..etc. are not exempt from evaluation and discussion.

A lot of people seem to be overlooking something huge in chapter 700..the environment. People have noticed it's more modern but they haven't noticed what it's indicative of. At this point in time it's reasonable to assume konoha has adopted a more capitalistic system which promotes competition, independence, hard work,..etc. and it's indicative of a culture that is still guarding its resources and has encountered instability due to the previous war. It's almost similar to japan's current perspective on nuclear weapons after their experiences. However, it's not difficult for me to imagine a scenario in which nations begin turning on eachother and conquering each other as soon as something that threatens their resources and well being comes into the picture. There's a cycle that exists between cultures in which a culture is conquered and acculturated not only because of the new access to resources but because the driving mechanism behind evolution is numbers as long as a culture expands itself through war and conquer then they're able to ensure the survival of their value systems, religious practices, cultural roles, and thought process. europe is a prime example of this since it has conquered and acculturated many different cultures and because of that it has a lead in the globalization of several cultures.


With that being said the fate of konoha is no different. The only reason theyre "at peace" is because they're working with other nations who have similar goals and experience similar circumstances. This generally happense when one culture's resources are just as scarce as anothers and understanding and compassion are established as values within the culture for the sake of gathering information as well as creating a bond to..you guessed it...add to the game of numbers to increase their chances of survival and passing their cultural legacy.

 

[Eye of the Beholder]

like i say in french, peace is just a view of the mind, it doesn't really exist and never will just like equality

Well someone with the right idea...

 

[Mikasa Hagaromo]

so yesterday i was bashed by a lot of people when i wrote that peace had not been
achieved. They brought up this scan of Ten Ten from the last chapter in opposition to
my stance. Well i was not in the mood of explaining my stance yesterday so here i go

Scan of the last chapter:

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so clearly kishimoto has made us think that peace has been achieved through this scan
and it is true that the world is peaceful.

BUT

you guys forget the most important thing. I am sure real readers would not disagree with
my stance. So first we need to go back to the place where everything about peace started

Yes the Fight between Naruto and Pain.

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Pain enquired naruto about peace and both naruto and jiraiya had no answer. Nagato/Pain
came up with his own realistic idea about peace

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see that was his idea to achieve peace, now lets proceed towards something else and then
i would tell you why pain was right even now. this is what sasuke said:

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Yes exactly he had the same idea.

Now id get back to the real topic. As you see what just happened in the latest chapters
was exactly the same thing Pain told naruto. The JUUBI was the weopon in this case and
because of the loss and sufferings and mutual pain, peace was achieved.

But this would be temporary peace as Pain mentioned. What would happen when people
would forget about this especially the next generations. This generation has experienced
that pain and so they are friends with each other as they fought together. The next generation
would not be like that as soo the Juubi and the war and naruto etc would be forgotten.

What would happen then:

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YES this is exactly as pain predicted. Whatever happened was the idea of Pain in order to
achieve peace. But the naive readers out there actually think that permanent peace has
been achieved without any way if showing it.

THis has also happened in real life too. BOTH USA and Russia teamed up together to beat a
common enemy Germany. but after the war ended a few years later the cold war between the
US and Russia started.

NAGATO, MADARA and SASUKE knew that peace cannot be achieved simply and had plans for
it. Naruto had none neither was it shown. The feudal lord system and the Ninja system is still
there and it is only a matter of time before this mutual pain and feelings are forgotten and the
world again goes to war.


USE YOUR BRAINS NOT YOUR EYES.

Great post. I'd like to point out a few things though:

1- we now see inter-village marriage going on. This is meaningless in the real world, but in Narutoverse, it's the not just political bonds, but now familial bonds that will maintain peace. These villages now have blood ties with each other (well, except the Mist and Stone)....but I think that might be one of Kishi's implications.

2- at first I thought we never got Naruto's answer, but after reading the Viz translation I believe Sasuke was articulating Naruto's response. Remember he said he's able to feel and claim Naruto's feelings now and this is what Naruto feels will bring peace: claiming each others pain. Not answering hate with hate, but still standing your ground. And while you pray everyday hoping someday your prayer will be answered, you keep working toward peace through understanding and reconciliation until peace happens.

 

[TheWolfHasSpoken]

Great post. I'd like to point out a few things though:

1- we now see inter-village marriage going on. This is meaningless in the real world, but in Narutoverse, it's the not just political bonds, but now familial bonds that will maintain peace. These villages now have blood ties with each other (well, except the Mist and Stone)....but I think that might be one of Kishi's implications.

2- at first I thought we never got Naruto's answer, but after reading the Viz translation I believe Sasuke was articulating Naruto's response. Remember he said he's able to feel and claim Naruto's feelings now and this is what Naruto feels will bring peace: claiming each others pain. Not answering hate with hate, but still standing your ground. And while you pray everyday hoping someday your prayer will be answered, you keep working toward peace through understanding and reconciliation until peace happens.

I dont think the inter village marriages would be major part in maintaining peace as since they would be forgotten after 2 or more generations. though they may play a role.

The second point is plausible but it takes a lot of time to follow that way. Only Naruto was shown with these exceptional abilities because of his background but normal people would not be this way. Even if someone is like naruto or naruto himself, it is not necessary that his/her children would be just like his parents and not cold hearted. This generation of shinobi was able to bond with each other because they had experienced the same pain in the 4th shinobi world war against a common enemy. As time would pass, that bond would be lost and they would again go to their old ways trying to get superiority over others.

Pains idea was correct and Madara himself knew that Peace could not be achieved that is why he proceeded to the Moon eye plan but he was deceived into thinking that it was real. Even when hashirama tried to bond with other kages during the summit, no matter how kindhearted he was, they still put their preferences above the peace and understanding offered by him.

Ninshuu was a way for achieving peace but it was never shown. Apart from that there is no way of attaining permanent peace

 

[SonOfChakra]

Yeah, I think you have an excellent point which is part of why I created that thread urging people to evaluate and discuss the future of konoha. Although it's "just fiction" the layers of the anime are still complex enough to evaluate and discuss. Afterall, fictional stories and folklore is used as a method of promoting certain values, beliefs, and principles within a culture as well as the establishment of roles within that culture. With that being said, folklore, fictional stories..etc. are not exempt from evaluation and discussion.

A lot of people seem to be overlooking something huge in chapter 700..the environment. People have noticed it's more modern but they haven't noticed what it's indicative of. At this point in time it's reasonable to assume konoha has adopted a more capitalistic system which promotes competition, independence, hard work,..etc. and it's indicative of a culture that is still guarding its resources and has encountered instability due to the previous war. It's almost similar to japan's current perspective on nuclear weapons after their experiences. However, it's not difficult for me to imagine a scenario in which nations begin turning on eachother and conquering each other as soon as something that threatens their resources and well being comes into the picture. There's a cycle that exists between cultures in which a culture is conquered and acculturated not only because of the new access to resources but because the driving mechanism behind evolution is numbers as long as a culture expands itself through war and conquer then they're able to ensure the survival of their value systems, religious practices, cultural roles, and thought process. europe is a prime example of this since it has conquered and acculturated many different cultures and because of that it has a lead in the globalization of several cultures.


With that being said the fate of konoha is no different. The only reason theyre "at peace" is because they're working with other nations who have similar goals and experience similar circumstances. This generally happense when one culture's resources are just as scarce as anothers and understanding and compassion are established as values within the culture for the sake of gathering information as well as creating a bond to..you guessed it...add to the game of numbers to increase their chances of survival and passing their cultural legacy.

Great and mature post. That "peace" in the Narutoverse will fail because one of the 5 great country will annex other country to grab resources to power these skyscrapers. The peace will end just like in the first Fallout game. By the way You should see an intro from this game:

Spoiler

 

[Ultimateone]

this is what you have to realize, there is no such thing as permanent peace. it's just impossible for now as we are still a young species and are gonna continue to make the same mistakes. think about both sasuke and nagato's view of peace. neither of their conclusions is permanent either. they both plan to slaughter people when they get out of line. that means they know that there will still be fighting. if there is fighting, then that means there isn't true peace in either scenario.

look at naruto's version of peace. his plan is to have people actually understand each other, which might i add is truly possible in their world. when you truly unite nations, not just fight along side of them peace can actually be achieved. look at what happened in the epilogue of naruto. you have people that are married that come from other villages. when you start to cross boudries like that, it would be silly to be add odds with one another as either of these places are now comprised of people from each village. therefore they have become more of a world village instead of just in their particular region. when future generations are born, they will no longer have any sort of animosity to other nations just because they are other nations. they would have grown up in a world where everybody is a friend, no matter where they come from. think about it, if you live in america, do you just hate britian? no, because we have only known them as allies. sure there could still be fighting, but nothing on a large scale.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

You could not be more wrong sir!
my argument has many holes in it? care to elaborate some of those holes? I backed up my argument with legit manga facts and proof but what did you provide? you did not even understand the purpose and meaning of my thread friend. And yet you accused me of following the typical loser style? lolwut.

What manga facts did you give? Tenten complaining about people buying ninja tools in a low level shop just like someone trying to sell pistol in a street? Nagato's reasoning born from accumulation of pain, loneliness, and heavy stress from Rinnegan? Are you referring to Sasuke's blabbering born from losing his parent, and killing his brother?

Well, if you are considering that childish argumentation of yours, then you may have facts, but childish fact. Unlike you, mature people make distinction between war, and terrorism, or isolated actions from gangsters. See, even though there was akatsuki, there was no war and most countries were at peace. Better, now, countries have united, and in my opinion, only people who hope for war can look for it in the current setting.

I dont need to argue about what narutos peace is since you did not understand my thread. The similarities between Pain's sayings and the peace that was achieved are exactly the same thing. That is why you need to understand that since peace has been achieved through co-operation and mutual feelings developed between the five nations but that is temporary as Nagato mentioned because that co-operation is only because of the mutual pain and sufferings that was suffered by this generation of shinobi through the Juubi and the akatsuki. What would happen after a hundred years when they are forgotten?

Here again, you are sinking your boat. Nagato was a loser who lost his will due to pain, and began to delude about thinks that he once said himself. See, to think that the cooperation is temporary means that you think no one can take care of that cooperation. See, Konoha was able to keep the will of fire since it creation through effort from all the members of the village. Everyone who tried to destroy that will of fire was dealt with, and everyone who wanted to fan the fire taught the next generation or died for it.

What make you think it would be different for the current peace? Are you hoping that people will just seat and look at new villain roam free. See, peace also mean eliminating everyone who goes against it either by killing or putting in prison. Only fools think that peace on earth means there is no death, no terrorist, etc. Wise people understand that peace must be taken care of by laying down rules to enforce it.

Heck even the So6p was forgotten and considered as myth!

Well, it is not that he was forgotten. Rather, those who thought he was a legend did not actually know about him. See, both Senju and Uchiha knew about him. The Uchiha having the stone tablet knew about him. This is no different from real life. Those who have record of history know the history. When record are lost, it become uncertain whether that event is true or not as witness may have died.

However, as far as human are concerned, they will always strive for peace, love, and better standard of life. This happen irrespective of the past. SO6P was just someone who played his part in the past. He wasn't god and knowing his story does not give food or peace to anyone. Why would people make a fuss about him?

Now moving on to the next argument. Hashiramas vision was not entirely correct as the wars which followed his system showed. Madara only said that because he was deceived into thinking that the Infinite Dreamworld technique was reality.Madara knew that peace cannot be achieved till the shinobi system remained as Pain also mentioned in my scan. The will of fire and stone dont count in this situation.

Again, you need to grow up. In this world, only fools ignore the existence of evil, and run away from acknowledging both good and bad. There are good people who seek good tiding in life, and there are bad people who only seek evil to prosper. The existence of these two forces is engraved in the mind of every human who has gain consciousness of his surrounding.

See, war breaking after Hashirama's death does not mean Hashirama's solution was not correct. It simply means that evil took over. In fact it is simple to see this. Naruto's solution is a kind of Hashirama's solution. What you need to understand is that Hashirama sought to create a place where everyone would live in peace, and have their children live, learn, and have a life without war. He came up with means that fall short at some point. In fact, he still won, because Naruto is the product of the Will of Fire, and this show Hashirama stand again.

What happens when economic development increases in the world. Inflation, yes that is what happens in the smaller nations those not so lucky in terms of economic development. What happens then? rebellions. What next? Wars. Yes thankyouverymuch.

What are are you talking about. Small countries need fairness. As long as the system protects the right of everyone, even small countries will stand. See, even small countries can be richer than big countries. In the pass, there was people pulling string in the darkness to feed the hatred. We saw Danzou, Madara, Tobi, etc.

In case you don't know, Konoha does not start war.

In the naruto world peace was only possible through ninshuu as it was foreshadowed over a long time but that was just thrown out of the window.

Do you think that peace has been achieved in our world? And the UNO security council guarantees it? lol wut. The security council is just like a group of monarchs ruling over the smaller nations. they can veto any resolution without anyone questioning them. Nothing can be accepted without their permission. Like for example the Israel-palestine war. America never backs out its support from the israel which resulted in about 3000 people being mercilessly killed including women and children a few months back.

Again, as far as the world is concern, I think peace means every single country can operate freely on its territory. It means that even a big country can not invade a small country officially. They need to hide and make sure no one can see them. Therefore, peace still means what Naruto said. If the people in small countries understand each other and discuss their problem, they won't let the big countries exploit them. What happens is that there are always selfish people hiding and selling their country for their own gain.

 

[Deidera]

What manga facts did you give? Tenten complaining about people buying ninja tools in a low level shop just like someone trying to sell pistol in a street? Nagato's reasoning born from accumulation of pain, loneliness, and heavy stress from Rinnegan? Are you referring to Sasuke's blabbering born from losing his parent, and killing his brother?

Well, if you are considering that childish argumentation of yours, then you may have facts, but childish fact. Unlike you, mature people make distinction between war, and terrorism, or isolated actions from gangsters. See, even though there was akatsuki, there was no war and most countries were at peace. Better, now, countries have united, and in my opinion, only people who hope for war can look for it in the current setting.



Here again, you are sinking your boat. Nagato was a loser who lost his will due to pain, and began to delude about thinks that he once said himself. See, to think that the cooperation is temporary means that you think no one can take care of that cooperation. See, Konoha was able to keep the will of fire since it creation through effort from all the members of the village. Everyone who tried to destroy that will of fire was dealt with, and everyone who wanted to fan the fire taught the next generation or died for it.

What make you think it would be different for the current peace? Are you hoping that people will just seat and look at new villain roam free. See, peace also mean eliminating everyone who goes against it either by killing or putting in prison. Only fools think that peace on earth means there is no death, no terrorist, etc. Wise people understand that peace must be taken care of by laying down rules to enforce it.



Well, it is not that he was forgotten. Rather, those who thought he was a legend did not actually know about him. See, both Senju and Uchiha knew about him. The Uchiha having the stone tablet knew about him. This is no different from real life. Those who have record of history know the history. When record are lost, it become uncertain whether that event is true or not as witness may have died.

However, as far as human are concerned, they will always strive for peace, love, and better standard of life. This happen irrespective of the past. SO6P was just someone who played his part in the past. He wasn't god and knowing his story does not give food or peace to anyone. Why would people make a fuss about him?



Again, you need to grow up. In this world, only fools ignore the existence of evil, and run away from acknowledging both good and bad. There are good people who seek good tiding in life, and there are bad people who only seek evil to prosper. The existence of these two forces is engraved in the mind of every human who has gain consciousness of his surrounding.

See, war breaking after Hashirama's death does not mean Hashirama's solution was not correct. It simply means that evil took over. In fact it is simple to see this. Naruto's solution is a kind of Hashirama's solution. What you need to understand is that Hashirama sought to create a place where everyone would live in peace, and have their children live, learn, and have a life without war. He came up with means that fall short at some point. In fact, he still won, because Naruto is the product of the Will of Fire, and this show Hashirama stand again.



What are are you talking about. Small countries need fairness. As long as the system protects the right of everyone, even small countries will stand. See, even small countries can be richer than big countries. In the pass, there was people pulling string in the darkness to feed the hatred. We saw Danzou, Madara, Tobi, etc.

In case you don't know, Konoha does not start war.



Again, as far as the world is concern, I think peace means every single country can operate freely on its territory. It means that even a big country can not invade a small country officially. They need to hide and make sure no one can see them. Therefore, peace still means what Naruto said. If the people in small countries understand each other and discuss their problem, they won't let the big countries exploit them. What happens is that there are always selfish people hiding and selling their country for their own gain.

Finally! A post taking everything into consideration and not simply being one dimensional if you will.

 

[TheWolfHasSpoken]

What manga facts did you give? Tenten complaining about people buying ninja tools in a low level shop just like someone trying to sell pistol in a street? Nagato's reasoning born from accumulation of pain, loneliness, and heavy stress from Rinnegan? Are you referring to Sasuke's blabbering born from losing his parent, and killing his brother?

Well, if you are considering that childish argumentation of yours, then you may have facts, but childish fact. Unlike you, mature people make distinction between war, and terrorism, or isolated actions from gangsters. See, even though there was akatsuki, there was no war and most countries were at peace. Better, now, countries have united, and in my opinion, only people who hope for war can look for it in the current setting.



Here again, you are sinking your boat. Nagato was a loser who lost his will due to pain, and began to delude about thinks that he once said himself. See, to think that the cooperation is temporary means that you think no one can take care of that cooperation. See, Konoha was able to keep the will of fire since it creation through effort from all the members of the village. Everyone who tried to destroy that will of fire was dealt with, and everyone who wanted to fan the fire taught the next generation or died for it.

What make you think it would be different for the current peace? Are you hoping that people will just seat and look at new villain roam free. See, peace also mean eliminating everyone who goes against it either by killing or putting in prison. Only fools think that peace on earth means there is no death, no terrorist, etc. Wise people understand that peace must be taken care of by laying down rules to enforce it.



Well, it is not that he was forgotten. Rather, those who thought he was a legend did not actually know about him. See, both Senju and Uchiha knew about him. The Uchiha having the stone tablet knew about him. This is no different from real life. Those who have record of history know the history. When record are lost, it become uncertain whether that event is true or not as witness may have died.

However, as far as human are concerned, they will always strive for peace, love, and better standard of life. This happen irrespective of the past. SO6P was just someone who played his part in the past. He wasn't god and knowing his story does not give food or peace to anyone. Why would people make a fuss about him?



Again, you need to grow up. In this world, only fools ignore the existence of evil, and run away from acknowledging both good and bad. There are good people who seek good tiding in life, and there are bad people who only seek evil to prosper. The existence of these two forces is engraved in the mind of every human who has gain consciousness of his surrounding.

See, war breaking after Hashirama's death does not mean Hashirama's solution was not correct. It simply means that evil took over. In fact it is simple to see this. Naruto's solution is a kind of Hashirama's solution. What you need to understand is that Hashirama sought to create a place where everyone would live in peace, and have their children live, learn, and have a life without war. He came up with means that fall short at some point. In fact, he still won, because Naruto is the product of the Will of Fire, and this show Hashirama stand again.



What are are you talking about. Small countries need fairness. As long as the system protects the right of everyone, even small countries will stand. See, even small countries can be richer than big countries. In the pass, there was people pulling string in the darkness to feed the hatred. We saw Danzou, Madara, Tobi, etc.

In case you don't know, Konoha does not start war.



Again, as far as the world is concern, I think peace means every single country can operate freely on its territory. It means that even a big country can not invade a small country officially. They need to hide and make sure no one can see them. Therefore, peace still means what Naruto said. If the people in small countries understand each other and discuss their problem, they won't let the big countries exploit them. What happens is that there are always selfish people hiding and selling their country for their own gain.

you fantasize a lot. You are a twelve year old arent you?

What i wrote in this thread was according to the manga. This whole thing is your speculation only
go and wash your face plis.

 

[iNotorious]

yes exactly this is just temporary peace as Pain explained. This was the point of my thread, after like 100 or more years they would be back to wars and stuff

Even if it happened, who the heck would go against Naruto and Sasuke. Please tell me.