[Discussion] Kizaru vs Hawkins, Drake and Apoo

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Basically a remake of Shabondy archipelo, but these supernovas are not rookies anymore, much stronger than they once were. Do you think they could defeat Kizaru now? I know they don't have much feats posttimeskip, but portrayal is allowed

If not, how many of the shabondy supernovas do you think will be required to beat Kizaru now?
 

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No because currently Luffy seems either to b second third strongest out of them with law being on top
And both r being soloed by Doffy right now so 2 of the strongest super nova's r getting mid diff by someone who most likely is weaker (but not by much) then the admirals.....

Adding 3 mid ranged (in terms of listing supernovas) fighting off someone who's stronger then doffy I say they push kizaru to mid diff at best due to portrayals Thts all..
 
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Still Kizaru considering Kizaru negged all of them put together.
They are much stronger now though. We talk about supernovas who were struggling to beat Pacifistas(obviously in this case, Kizaru could neg them), but now Pacifistas are too weak for them. The comparison holds no weight. If Law isn't fodder to an admiral, no reason to assume someone like Drake or Hawkins who has similar portrayal would be fodder to one

No because currently Luffy seems either to b second third strongest out of them with law being on top
And both r being soloed by Doffy right now so 2 of the strongest super nova's r getting mid diff by someone who most likely is weaker (but not by much) then the admirals.....

Adding 3 mid ranged (in terms of listing supernovas) fighting off someone who's stronger then doffy I say they push kizaru to mid diff at best due to portrayals Thts all..
There is no ranking among supernovas as of yet, besides the fact that Drake, Luffy, Law, Hawkins and Kid are around the same level. Anything else is subjective
 

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They are much stronger now though. We talk about supernovas who were struggling to beat Pacifistas(obviously in this case, Kizaru could neg them), but now Pacifistas are too weak for them. The comparison holds no weight. If Law isn't fodder to an admiral, no reason to assume someone like Drake or Hawkins who has similar portrayal would be fodder to one

There is no ranking among supernovas as of yet, besides the fact that Drake, Luffy, Law, Hawkins and Kid are around the same level. Anything else is subjective
There's no ranking or feats yet U made this match up..... Luffy law Kidd (along with drake) have portrayed to b the strongest .... If luffy and law r being mid diff my doffy I dnt see three mid range SN doing anything crazy to kizaru pushing him tk mid diff max also I dnt see any of them reacting to his speed if he's serious
 

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There's no ranking or feats yet U made this match up..... Luffy law Kidd (along with drake) have portrayed to b the strongest .... If luffy and law r being mid diff my doffy I dnt see three mid range SN doing anything crazy to kizaru pushing him tk mid diff max also I dnt see any of them reacting to his speed if he's serious
No i meant there is no ranking among the top5(Kid, Law, Luffy, Drake, Hawkins). Those 5 however are stronger than the rest of the supernovas due to the amount of hype they received pre and post shabondy. I just meant that at this point, it's hard to guess a ranking among the top5 considering the top5 at this point share a similar amount of hype, so i put them on equal standing at this point. And no, Law and Luffy would stomp Doflamingo if Law was healthy. Either of them could give him high difficulty and luffy will beat Doffy alone(with advantageous circumstances though). Lets not overrate Doffy
 

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Kizaru....one does not go from getting negged to beating an admiral in that time frame. I'd rank those 3 at around zoro level and maybe slightly above. Imo 3 fighters of that level is nowhere near strong enough to be kizaru.
 

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Kizaru....one does not go from getting negged to beating an admiral in that time frame. I'd rank those 3 at around zoro level and maybe slightly above. Imo 3 fighters of that level is nowhere near strong enough to be kizaru.
Okay and how many of the shabondy supernovas do you think will be required to defeat Kizaru? Or do you think they would lose no matter the number? :/
 

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Law think they have 30% of chance to defeat Kaido, yet you think Kizaru can take all supernovas by himself? Stop the wank Lol
He wasn't talking about fighting alone.

The plan+fight+everything they're trying to do to get to Kaido has a 30% chance of succeeding.

Their whole plan has a 30% chance of success.

If both Luffy and Law fought Kaido they would have no chance.

Remember what Sabo did to Bastille? Thats what Kizaru does to the supernova.
 

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Lol curious why do u put Hawkins in same level as kid law luffy and drake ?


Hawkins has already been portrayed to b around appo's level lol.... Which is not bad at all but I find it funny U keep saying Hawkins with rest of them with him as ur ava
 

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Lol curious why do u put Hawkins in same level as kid law luffy and drake ?


Hawkins has already been portrayed to b around appo's level lol.... Which is not bad at all but I find it funny U keep saying Hawkins with rest of them with him as ur ava
Lol no, Hawkins was always portrayed to be above Apoo's level. Hawkins is portrayed to be in the top5 supernova

Pretimeskip it was Hawkins, Luffy, Kid, Drake and Law

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Postskip it became Hawkins, Blackbeard, Kid, Drake and Law

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Though i suppose Luffy isn't mentioned because he wasn't there these past 2 years, but more importantly, his hype is comparable to the others in the top5
 

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stop overrating kizaru i think those 3 can push kizaru to mid-diff.And if u add all supernovas together they can rape kizaru.They are X10 after the timeskip(while observing the growth of luffy,law,zorro)
 
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