Is sasuke could fully use the rinnegan

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He used Preta Path, he used Chibaku Tensei, which is the Rinnegan's strongest technique. No reason to believe he doesn't know how to use all of them, and whether or not he would have beat Naruto in CQC is irrelevant, since the overall outcome won't change, as he'll have to rely on his trump, which is his Susanoo, not his Rinnegan.

He pulled a Meteor down, but that Meteor is fodder in comparison to what he normally does with Susanoo, and since he didn't create it, its not going to get any stronger. Asura Path, if it can be used on Susanoo, (highly doubt it though) would get a pretty massive boost, but on the level of Sasuke after getting the Bijuu's power? Yeah, highly doubt it.

Even Sasuke said he had to get used to the Rinnegan's powers. He's seen Chibaku Tensei and absorption, so of course he'd know those. The others he'd have to find out through training. He only would have to rely on his Susano'o if Naruto were to use the cloak. In close range, the paths are useful, and that meteor is especially for taking out loads of enemies or stalling. He'd also learn how to use the black rods. Trying to match up to Sasuke with the chakra of the beasts isn't possible, as he is above Naruto at that rate.
 

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What techniques would benefit from his Susanoo anyway? Deva won't, because those techniques' power doesn't increase with the size of the user like Chidori would, because a much bigger user=a much bigger Chidori=A stronger Chidori. Not to mention Deva contains the Rinnegan's best powers. Nothing else should even be relevant.

-Asura Path? That'd get stronger, would it be on the level of a Susanoo powered by 9 Bijuu? Doubt it.

Susano would still be wielding Deva, and implicatively speaking, Deva will be lethal in a Rikduo's chakra wielder. Not to mention BT>Susano sword will be difficult to deal with for Naruto. Naruto would have to deal with massive scale ST's along with the PS shockwave follow ups. It's too much imo.

Yes, Asura would be powerful, very powerful. It was making massive explosion in Konoha from 1/6th of nigh dead Nagato with a normal sized hand. Amplify that by Sasuke's Rikduo chakra and his PS's hand size and you have insanely large attacks. Not to mention the fact that he can use these ballistic weapons simultaneously with his own PS.

-Human Path? Lol. He has to touch Naruto directly for that, and if he could, then this wouldn't even be necessary.

Won't be necessary, even through Sasuke could've ended the last fight with Human Path, after he absorbed the Kyuubi's chakra. So that's still useful.

-Animal Path? Lol.
Useless.

-Preta Path? Impossible through Susanoo.
Based on what? He can store the chakra he abosrbs inside the Susano similarly to how he absorbed the Bijuu's chakra into his Susano. If the Susano is using the Preta barrier, it won't necessarily be abosrbing its own chakra back into Sasuke, since Sasuke isn't the one who is using it, but rather the chakra entity--Susano. I would agree that if Sasuke was the one using Preta from the diamond, he would absorb the Susano's chakra, but the Susano using it is a different topic. It's pretty much the equivalent of claiming Preta should be absorbing the chakra in his eyes and own body, affecting it, but that's not the case here.

-Naraka Path? Lol.
Useless for anything bar shared vision, Lol.

That's also assuming he can use all the Rinnegan's techniques through his Susanoo.

It's not an assumption. He has utilised his Dojutsu and base Jutsu through his Susano, and has applied his own Rinnegan to amplify his PS when IT was used. Thus Rinnegan is applicable to PS as there's 0 reason to believe otherwise.

Rinnegan is massively overrated. Sasuke had access to all its powers against Naruto, yet he used Susanoo. Pretty sure that means his Susanoo>>his Rinnegan techniques. Edo Madara also had access to all of the Rinnegan's powers, not at their full powers, but far above the likes of Nagato. Yet he stated that Perfect Susanoo is his trump, and he showed that as well and nothing stronger.

No, it doesn't mean that. Madara was supposedly invincible after he received Rinnegan, not EMS. A fully mastered Rinnegan is learning all aspects of the Rinnegan. This ranges from using Bansho tenin to pull meteors from space to absorbing the chakra of all Bijuu's. It is in no way overrated, maybe by some, but people just don't seem to understand the advantages the Rinnegan gives, like absolute insight (Rinnegan lets you see anything, including Tenketsu), it's shared vision, granting you all 7 elements, control over gravity, control over chakra, control over your own body, control over life and death, being able to use Space time ninjutsu, etc. Yes, the Rinnegan gives you a greater array of jutsu, EMS gives you one amazing jutsu. However, in Sasuke's case, he can apply this array of jutsu to his 'trump' reaching a new level of excellence. And even then, I highly doubt Madara has absolute mastery over his Rinnegan. Rinnegan simply didn't receive as much panel time as MS and EMS, otherwise we definitely would've seen it in its own league (still is).
 

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Even Sasuke said he had to get used to the Rinnegan's powers.
He said that he did, not that he had to.


He's seen Chibaku Tensei and absorption, so of course he'd know those.
I don't know why people think that he has to see a Rinnegan Jutsu to be able to replicate it. Dojutsu users learn their techniques just like that. Nagato was unconsciously using Rinnegan powers, nobody taught him anything. Where did Madara learn how to use the Rinnegan techniques? He definitely didn't see them. Same goes for Mangekyo users. Who taught Sasuke how to use Kagutsuchi? Who taught Itachi and Madara how to use Susanoo? Who taught Obito how to use Kamui?


The others he'd have to find out through training. He only would have to rely on his Susano'o if Naruto were to use the cloak.
So basically you are telling me that if Naruto went full power, Sasuke would have to rely on Susanoo. That's pretty much my whole point. That proves that Rinnegan isn't as great as you guys are making it seem.

In close range, the paths are useful, and that meteor is especially for taking out loads of enemies or stalling.

Agreed. When it comes to smaller scale combat, Rinnegan is useful, when it comes to Sasuke vs Naruto at full power, its not.


He'd also learn how to use the black rods.

Useless in large scale combat.


Trying to match up to Sasuke with the chakra of the beasts isn't possible, as he is above Naruto at that rate.

Uh, no he's not, because matching up to Sasuke w/ the power of Bijuu makes him equal to Naruto, not stronger. No real evidence or hype that would lead me to believe that his Rinnegan will fill the gap that the 9 Bijuu were needed to fill, not when he canonically did not use his Rinnegan when it was time to go full power.
 

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Human path Murders

But too bad it didn't happen :coffee:
 

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Susano would still be wielding Deva, and implicatively speaking, Deva will be lethal in a Rikduo's chakra wielder.

Deva will be stronger, nothing implies it'd be lethal if used against Naruto, and Susanoo wielding it isn't going to make it any stronger.

Not to mention BT>Susano sword will be difficult to deal with for Naruto

Not really. He counters it the same way he did against Nagato, by holding onto something, or he just fires a few Bijuu Dama right into Susanoo, and they both take damage. Not to mention a Susanoo sword strike isn't even going to cut through a tail, at least not a single strike.


Naruto would have to deal with massive scale ST's along with the PS shockwave follow ups. It's too much imo.

Massive Scale Shinra Tensei are going to push him back, PS shockwave isn't doing anything to him, not when it took multiple direct hits to actually cut a single tail off. Direct hit>>>Non direct hit.


Yes, Asura would be powerful, very powerful. It was making massive explosion in Konoha from 1/6th of nigh dead Nagato with a normal sized hand. Amplify that by Sasuke's Rikduo chakra and his PS's hand size and you have insanely large attacks. Not to mention the fact that he can use these ballistic weapons simultaneously with his own PS.

And Sasuke casually cuts rocks the size of the Shinju's root. Rocks that dwarf Mountain Ranges when cut apart, and its a cutting attack to boot. Asura isn't going to be anything impressive, at least when compared to Sasuke's Bijuu PS.

Not to mention everything getting a boost anywhere near the boost that his Susanoo got is nothing but an assumption, an incorrect one at that given Sasuke's Katon is not any different from before he got Rikudo's Power.



Based on what? He can store the chakra he abosrbs inside the Susano similarly to how he absorbed the Bijuu's chakra into his Susano. If the Susano is using the Preta barrier, it won't necessarily be abosrbing its own chakra back into Sasuke, since Sasuke isn't the one who is using it, but rather the chakra entity--Susano. I would agree that if Sasuke was the one using Preta from the diamond, he would absorb the Susano's chakra, but the Susano using it is a different topic. It's pretty much the equivalent of claiming Preta should be absorbing the chakra in his eyes and own body, affecting it, but that's not the case here.

Susanoo is made of chakra, Preta spins the chakra flow in reverse, causing chakra to be absorbed. Even if Susanoo can use Preta Path, it'd end up absorbing itself, since its pure chakra. Its not the equivalent of saying Preta should be absorbing the chakra in his eyes and body, because the chakra flow in Sasuke spins in reverse, but Sasuke's body itself isn't made of chakra like Susanoo's is. Susanoo doesn't even have a chakra flow to spin in reverse let alone use Preta Path. Its just made of pure chakra, not a system like the human body.

That's also assuming this all possible, cause as far as I'm concerned, there is little evidence supporting your stance.


It's not an assumption. He has utilised his Dojutsu and base Jutsu through his Susano, and has applied his own Rinnegan to amplify his PS when IT was used. Thus Rinnegan is applicable to PS as there's 0 reason to believe otherwise.
He applied Chidori to his Susanoo, and he was only able to apply other Raiton Jutsu, like Chidori Senbon, AFTER getting the Bijuu's chakra, even though by your logic, he'd be able to do that regardless of the power buff, even though the manga makes it perfectly clear that this line of thinking is wrong.

Susanoo is created with his eyes, his eye gives him immunity to IT so there is no reason that the extension of his chakra created from his eyes wouldn't get that same immunity. His Susanoo being immune to IT because of his Rinnegan isn't proof that Sasuke can use every single Rinnegan technique through his Susanoo, nor is there any evidence of them getting this large boost that you think that they will get. Will they get a boost? Of course. Will it be comparable to the boost from his old Susanoo to his new one? Nope.



No, it doesn't mean that. Madara was supposedly invincible after he received Rinnegan, not EMS. A fully mastered Rinnegan is learning all aspects of the Rinnegan. This ranges from using Bansho tenin to pull meteors from space to absorbing the chakra of all Bijuu's. It is in no way overrated, maybe by some, but people just don't seem to understand the advantages the Rinnegan gives, like absolute insight (Rinnegan lets you see anything, including Tenketsu), it's shared vision, granting you all 7 elements, control over gravity, control over chakra, control over your own body, control over life and death, being able to use Space time ninjutsu, etc. Yes, the Rinnegan gives you a greater array of jutsu, EMS gives you one amazing jutsu. However, in Sasuke's case, he can apply this array of jutsu to his 'trump' reaching a new level of excellence. And even then, I highly doubt Madara has absolute mastery over his Rinnegan. Rinnegan simply didn't receive as much panel time as MS and EMS, otherwise we definitely would've seen it in its own league (still is).

Madara w/ the Juubi's powers along with both of his eyes was considered invincible by Obito.
 

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He said that he did, not that he had to.



I don't know why people think that he has to see a Rinnegan Jutsu to be able to replicate it. Dojutsu users learn their techniques just like that. Nagato was unconsciously using Rinnegan powers, nobody taught him anything. Where did Madara learn how to use the Rinnegan techniques? He definitely didn't see them. Same goes for Mangekyo users. Who taught Sasuke how to use Kagutsuchi? Who taught Itachi and Madara how to use Susanoo? Who taught Obito how to use Kamui?



So basically you are telling me that if Naruto went full power, Sasuke would have to rely on Susanoo. That's pretty much my whole point. That proves that Rinnegan isn't as great as you guys are making it seem.



Agreed. When it comes to smaller scale combat, Rinnegan is useful, when it comes to Sasuke vs Naruto at full power, its not.




Useless in large scale combat.




Uh, no he's not, because matching up to Sasuke w/ the power of Bijuu makes him equal to Naruto, not stronger. No real evidence or hype that would lead me to believe that his Rinnegan will fill the gap that the 9 Bijuu were needed to fill, not when he canonically did not use his Rinnegan when it was time to go full power.

I didn't say that you have to see a doujutsu to use it. I said that you'd have to find it through training. Sasuke has seen Madara use those, so he knows that it's possible to do so. You think Sasuke would steal chakra rather than pull the soul out of Naruto? If Naruto were to enter his cloak and spam Rasengans and what not, then yes, of course Sasuke would enter a larger state so that he could spam slashes. Through the Rinnegan though, he could also absorb techniques, and push them away. Using Susano'o, I'd guess that the power of the push/pull and range would be somewhat larger. I also believe that Sasuke with the tailed-beasts chakra is stronger than he'd ever be with just the Rinnegan, but that version is also stronger than Naruto was. It's only because they were blasted out of the air that Naruto got through that. Not to mention that there's still the Gedo Mazo, which solo'd all tailed beasts at the same time.
 

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I didn't say that you have to see a doujutsu to use it. I said that you'd have to find it through training.
And all my examples show that you are wrong on this point.

You think Sasuke would steal chakra rather than pull the soul out of Naruto? If Naruto were to enter his cloak and spam Rasengans and what not, then yes, of course Sasuke would enter a larger state so that he could spam slashes.Through the Rinnegan though, he could also absorb techniques, and push them away. Using Susano'o, I'd guess that the power of the push/pull and range would be somewhat larger. I also believe that Sasuke with the tailed-beasts chakra is stronger than he'd ever be with just the Rinnegan, but that version is also stronger than Naruto was. It's only because they were blasted out of the air that Naruto got through that. Not to mention that there's still the Gedo Mazo, which solo'd all tailed beasts at the same time.

-Deva is not going to get stronger with Susanoo application. Larger user doesn't make the jutsu any stronger.

-Lol. They canonically tied, what you believe doesn't really matter. They got blasted out of the air because Naruto equaled Sasuke's attack. That simple.

-Lol. Gedo Mazo gets fodderized by Rikudo Sage Mode Naruto. No difficulty. Lets not mention it again.
 

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Could of killed him right there if he knew how to extract souls.
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And Naruto could have knocked out/killed Sasuke with a Oodama Rasengan/Rasenshuriken while Sasuke was blabbering on about his plan Lol. The amount of times they could have killed eachother had plot not prevented it in the manga is also equal surprisingly.
 

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And all my examples show that you are wrong on this point.



-Deva is not going to get stronger with Susanoo application. Larger user doesn't make the jutsu any stronger.

-Lol. They canonically tied, what you believe doesn't really matter. They got blasted out of the air because Naruto equaled Sasuke's attack. That simple.

-Lol. Gedo Mazo gets fodderized by Rikudo Sage Mode Naruto. No difficulty. Lets not mention it again.

So you're saying that you just know how to do everything after awakening the eye(s)? That makes sense. And a larger user doesn't make the technique stronger huh? So I guess that Sasuke could have used a regular Chidori to match Naruto's tailed beast bomb. Thanks for that. They did tie, but Naruto had to use two techniques to do that. Sasuke could have shot multiple arrows and we all know what that would do. The Demonic Statue gets fodderized, huh? Not if Sasuke is guarding it, just like how Madara did. Not to mention Sasuke could pull Naruto in with the Rinnegan as well, making it faster.
 

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And Naruto could have knocked out/killed Sasuke with a Oodama Rasengan/Rasenshuriken while Sasuke was blabbering on about his plan Lol. The amount of times they could have killed eachother had plot not prevented it in the manga is also equal surprisingly.

Yes, but you said that Sasuke would never get the chance to extract Naruto's soul, which I disproved.
 

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Far above Nagato=/=Better than his Susanoo. So no, he wouldn't perform any better, at all. I have no idea what you people keep expecting when the Rinnegan is shown in combat. Sasuke was proficient enough with the eye to merge the Bijuu Chakra together just as well as Hagoromo would be able to do so, he said he had gotten used to his Rinnegan's abilities before they fought Naruto, already displayed its best technique, Chibaku Tensei, yet the whole fight he used Susanoo. Not his Rinnegan.

Sasuke has already surpassed Nagato and Madara by at least sixfolds. It has been explicitly stated that when Sasuke assimilated Bijuu Chakra into his Susano'o, he reaches Hagoromo's level. By now, he must have mastered his Rinnegan or at least come close to it. Therefore I believe he is still on Hagoromo's level. Kurama also foreshadowed Sasuke being able to utilize Preta Path whilst using jutsu. Anyhow, Plot no Jutsu most likely interfered.
 

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I figured out how to conjure a thread myself.

Overall, I feel that Sasuke has mastered his Rinnegan by now(in chapter 700). He has matured a lot and is way older, he may have been training his Rinnegan powers whilst traveling the world. Who knows, he may quite possibly have mastered his Rinnegan to the point where he is not only traveling the World as a nomadic vagabond seeking redemption and to analyze the world but to spread Ninshuu as well!
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