KCM Minato vs Gokage

[ARGUS]

Base minato takes this.

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[Icelerate]

And what is this based off of? Is it based off of the inability of gaaras sand

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Is it based on gaara being able to catch madara in a desert w/o oonoki lightening his sand, and madara's attention being pre-occupied by the entire alliance?
How about 50% muu?

Gaara could have used wide scale sand attacks (

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) to capture Joki Boi and Madara. He didn't do that or else the fodders fighting alongside him would also get buried. BTW scan 1 shows Gaara nigh instantly shooting sand to an altitude where the height of buildings look tiny in comparison so his sand traversed around 1km of distance nigh instantly. Minato's shunshin isn't that great and the one you showed is no where near 1 km distance.

Is KCM minato's shunshin being easily traceable by their eyes based on KCM Minato being slower than KCM NAruto? Or KCM NAruto being slower than V2 Ei? Or MS Sasuke not being able to trace V2 Ei's shunshin?

Sakura was visually tracing the likes of Kaguya or else she'd never have been able to smash Kaguya back towards Naruto and Sasuke. I'm having a hard time thinking a more experienced Gokage can't trace far inferior speed.

And again, what is gaara killing bunta quickly based on? Why doesn't bunta's oil destroy any and all of gaara's defenses allowing minato or bunta to plow right through and end gaara?

Bunta's oil isn't the same substance used by Joki boi. You can read more about it as other users have explained it perfectly (

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Your assertions are backed by absolutely nothing, which shows that they are completely worthless. Gaara gets utterly murderstomped by a single KCM minato clone, he can't even hope to catch the clone if he can't even catch jouki boy, and his last minute defenses which get easily penetrated by madara's chain yasaka magatama get fodderized by bijuudama rasengan.

I agree that Gokage lose mid difficulty.

Why do summons get crushed by sand? Since when has gaara's sand shown the ability to even restrain a boss summon, let alone crush one? This boss summon restraining power would have really come in handy against jouki boy, sandaime raike, trollkage, and madara's lesser susanoos.

Gaara can use

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to restrain boss summons and crush them with ease. Just because he didn't use this restraining power before doesn't mean he isn't capable of doing so.

Why do they have to instantly flashblitz? Plus,

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Why would gaara's sand that can't even catch jouki boy in a desert prevent KCM Minato from flashblitzing? LoS blockers mean absolutely nothing to KCM sensing, filling the battlefield with mist would only hinder the gokage since none of them are sensors.

All Gaara does is put up a wall of sand in front of Minato. This wall of sand is coming from underneath so it will be

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. Minato has to travel 100 m and he'll have his flash shunshin interrupted. Gaara's sand not being able to catch Joki Boi doesn't mean it can't act as a barrier to prevent blitzing as the two uses of sand are completely different because the speed at which a wall of sand is erected doesn't have to be greater than Minato's speed whereas catching Joki Boi required the sand move faster than itself.

 

[lanakui8]

Gaara could have used wide scale sand attacks (

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) to capture Joki Boi and Madara. He didn't do that or else the fodders fighting alongside him would also get buried. BTW scan 2 shows Gaara nigh instantly shooting sand to an altitude where the height of buildings look tiny in comparison so his sand traversed around 1km of distance nigh instantly. Minato's shunshin isn't that great and the one you showed is no where near 1 km distance.

Those widescale attacks would only capture joki boy and madara if you presupposed that gaara can manipulate sand at that level to travel at the same speed as his other sand. We aren't given a timeframe for the sand being raised to that level, and despite gaara using all of that sand with no fodders to get in his way, he still was only able to manipulate an incomparably lesser amount against deidara.

Sakura was visually tracing the likes of Kaguya or else she'd never have been able to smash Kaguya back towards Naruto and Sasuke. I'm having a hard time thinking a more experienced Gokage can't trace far inferior speed.

kaguya wasn't using shunshin, was floating in midair and was using her S/T to attack. With that same token, MS Sasuke wasn't able to even track V2 Ei's flicker and the gokage don't have greater reactions than the MS.

Bunta's oil isn't the same substance used by Joki boi. You can read more about it as other users have explained it perfectly (

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That thread pretty much lied as it stated the oil is extremely thick, yet that was never stated in the manga. Plus gaara said the liquid resembled oil more than it did water, and attributed the liquids resemblance to oil to its ability to destroy his sand. The toad oil isn't thick, SM jiraiya made

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it

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it would do the same thing to gaara's sand or worse.

 

[Demonic.]

Base minato takes this.

@Kifflom, where is your Sesame Street Gif Lol

 

[Xlad]

KCM Minato wins.

 

[Icelerate]

Those widescale attacks would only capture joki boy and madara if you presupposed that gaara can manipulate sand at that level to travel at the same speed as his other sand. We aren't given a timeframe for the sand being raised to that level, and despite gaara using all of that sand with no fodders to get in his way, he still was only able to manipulate an incomparably lesser amount against deidara.

Yes those wide scale attacks would effortlessly capture Madara and Joki Boi even if they aren't at the same level of speed as his sand gourd. Kimimaro was dancing around Gaara's gourd sand (

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) but against sand with great AoE, he was overwhelmed (

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I know we aren't given a timeframe on how long it took for Gaara to move his sand all the way to the sky but the same can be said for a variety of different situations. Regardless, it hardly took any panel time (

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) and happened in the amount of time it took for Gaara to move his arms upward.

@Bold, are you blind to manga scans? He was manipulating a massive amount of sand in the fight against Deidara (

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kaguya wasn't using shunshin, was floating in midair and was using her S/T to attack. With that same token, MS Sasuke wasn't able to even track V2 Ei's flicker and the gokage don't have greater reactions than the MS.

Kaguya was

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in order to escape getting sealed by Naruto and Sasuke. Her flight speed far surpasses KCM Minato's shunshin. Ay managed to outmaneuver Sasuke's line of sight after Sasuke used amaterasu which causes eye and body strain. Furthermore, Ay only managed to escape Sasuke's line of sight when he was very close to Sasuke. It is much harder to visualize something moving when it is extremely close as it seems much faster than an object moving at the same velocity but further away. This is known as

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That thread pretty much lied as it stated the oil is extremely thick, yet that was never stated in the manga. Plus gaara said the liquid resembled oil more than it did water, and attributed the liquids resemblance to oil to its ability to destroy his sand. The toad oil isn't thick, SM jiraiya made

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it

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it would do the same thing to gaara's sand or worse.

Ordinary oil is thicker than watery oil because water alone is much thinner than ordinary oil so its mixture is somewhere in between. Jiraiya used Goeman oil which is a super heated oil.

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end up becoming less

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and more fluid.

 

[Apêx1]

Why do they have to instantly flashblitz? Plus,

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Why would gaara's sand that can't even catch jouki boy in a desert prevent KCM Minato from flashblitzing? LoS blockers mean absolutely nothing to KCM sensing, filling the battlefield with mist would only hinder the gokage since none of them are sensors.

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[Unorthodox]

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he such a fool always overrating Minato or Naruto im not going to debate with him any longer because im lazy and i dont give a phuck about the gokage