Face it fanboys sasuke an naruto cant solo one eyed madara

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I'm far too lazy to entertain any bias at this point in time, but I'd like to just correct you on something:

Naruto and Sasuke's individuals powers which Madara "possesses" are far above Madara's, and the data book proved that. Naruto's Senjutsu is above Madara's and Sasuke not only has access to every Rin'negan technique (Limbo is up in the air, whether it is a technique exclusive to Madara or not; we'll see soon enough), but he also has Ame, and all of his Sharingan abilities, including Rin'negan amplified Genjutsu, so he doesn't have to switch between eyes like Edo Madara did to use Genjutsu.

Neither am I, tbh.

Databook is not relevant, at all. The same databook that said only Madara had PS, despite Kakashi and Sasuke having it as well. Madara possess a Senjutsu from both Hashirama's and Juubi's amplified by Rikudou's Chakra he possess via Rinnegan on top of all that. Naruto's SM is from his Senjutsu which is inferior to Hashirama's, Rikudou's Chakra which is inferior to Rikudou's Chakra of Madara and Juubi's Chakra. Do the math. Unless you can prove Sasuke has access to every Rinnegan technique and Limbo, please do not spread fallacious fanboysim. We're not interested. Not like the Genjutsu is a valid. However, what we know is Sasuke cannot combine Rinnegan techniques with Chidori as stated by Kurama; whereas Nagato demonstrated Rinnegan techniques simultaneously. Madara combined the Rinnegan and Sharingan to use Tengai Shensei - something on a higher level than what any Rinnegan user showed. Not only that, it granted access to all Nature Transformation and mastery to any Jutsu Nagato learned from Jiraiya.

Madara's Senjutsu comes from Juubi's, Hashirama's amplified by Rikudou's Chakra. Madara's Rinnegan is the Rinnegan of Rikudou's, while Sasuke's is only the Yin power of Rikudou's. It's really obvious to the naked eye.
 

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OT: just kiddin.
Naruto and Sasuke cant solo 3eyed madara.
 
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good points

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Someone all of a sudden teleporting instantly will most certainly land at least one attack on you successfully; it is a statistical certainty if one teleported many times. Put any ninja in Madara's place and they'd most certainly be forced to go defensive. Another thing is that he was definitely restricted to limbo usage only. Considering the situation, he could have easily used shinra tensei to render Sasky's chidori and Naruto's rasengan quite easily. It didn't happen for plots sake. Also considering that Rinne has a lot of doujutsu, with one eye he should be able to use at least half of them. Maybe all of them. Since he was using Preta path to absorb amaterasu when he had no eyes, I don't see why he needs 2 Rinnegan's to have access to all of it's ocular powers. Given more time Madara to adjust to this s/t nin Madara would have been able to react to Sasky's S/T ninjutsu just like he did with Tobirama's no problem. Especially since within a short time he was able to dictate the limit of sasky' Ame.

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Naruto was able to react to Sasky's S/T because he knew sasky to teleport, so he had to keep that in mind during his fight. Madara didn't know, therefore he would be caught off guard.

Having said that then there's no chance for Naruto/Sasky sealing Madara. And I don't see how they'd be able to seal him if he'd be behind PS.

It's just not possible to deal with PS, alongside wood golem, wood dragon, meteorites, and all of madara's rinne techs. Limbo itself was giving sasky and Naruto a hard time, since it required their cooperation.

There's no way One Rinne Madara unrestricted and with killing intent can lose to Naruto + Sasky.​

I also have to ask, which Naruto and Sasuke are we talking about here? Because end of series Naruto laughs at PS, alongside all of this fodder Mokuton techniques and meteorites.

Also, I'm glad you took the time to respond diligently at least.

The Tobirama attempt is a good counter, but you can't compare Sasuke's technique to Tobirama's. Much like you can't compare FTG to Ame at all. FTG in the case of Minato and what Tobirama used there is a two pronged attack; initiate the teleport, and then attack. Notice, Madara didn't react to the teleportation; he reacted to Tobirama actually attacking. Sasuke's ability doesn't have that defect. He can simultaneously teleport and attack, as we saw against Naruto, and the added bonus of swapping people and or objects with the technique itself, like what he did with his sword against Madara.

Regarding the point about sealing in that scenario; you'd be dead wrong. Like I said in the last sentence of the previous statement, Sasuke is able to swap people. Notice in the scan before that sealing attempt, Sasuke told Naruto to aim his attack at him, which then allowed Sasuke to teleport them both to Madara and immediately apply the seal. No amount of Rin'negan techniques will allow Madara to react diligently enough to anticipate an instantaneous sealing attack from which Sasuke teleports them both to Madara.

You can't just call PLOT, when we'd have already seen the techniques in action and the propensity of the techniques. Limbo, various Rin'negan techniques and even Onmyoudon, all would have been useless. Naruto in his base mode when he was revived dodged Limbo without even trying, and his clones alone were holding back and pushing back Dual Rin'negan Madara's Limbo's. None of Madara's Rin'negan techniques threaten Naruto or Sasuke in the slightest. The strongest offensive Rin'negan technique was already laughed at by far weaker versions of Naruto and Sasuke (when they were both getting used to their powers); Chibaku Tensei. Given the respective durability feats of both of them, the next threatening technique would be Shinra Tensei, but given Naruto's Kurama Avatar feats from just Bijuu Mode and Sasuke's PS, it won't be affecting them all that much.

We've already seen that Obito said that eyes only show their true power when they're together, and that applies to the Rin'negan. In no way does Madara have every ability of the Rin'negan with just one eye, but he obviously has a considerable amount of power with just one. The only special case would be Sasuke, who's shown the use of Deva, Preta and Outer Path with only one Rin'negan (Sharin'negan if you will), which is fine given that we know his eye is special compared to other Rin'negan.
 

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VoTE (2nd Time) Sasuke or Naruto absolutely laugh at One Eyed Madara. One has the superior Dojutsu and the Bijuu, and the other has superior Senjutsu (as proven by the databook). It's even arguable that they could both solo Madara's peak. Let alone growing 10-12 years older, one possibly possessing Mokuton, and now having Full Kurama and mastery of Yin-Yang Release.

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I also have to ask, which Naruto and Sasuke are we talking about here? Because end of series Naruto laughs at PS, alongside all of this fodder Mokuton techniques and meteorites.

Also, I'm glad you took the time to respond diligently at least.

The Tobirama attempt is a good counter, but you can't compare Sasuke's technique to Tobirama's. Much like you can't compare FTG to Ame at all. FTG in the case of Minato and what Tobirama used there is a two pronged attack; initiate the teleport, and then attack. Notice, Madara didn't react to the teleportation; he reacted to Tobirama actually attacking. Sasuke's ability doesn't have that defect. He can simultaneously teleport and attack, as we saw against Naruto, and the added bonus of swapping people and or objects with the technique itself, like what he did with his sword against Madara.

Regarding the point about sealing in that scenario; you'd be dead wrong. Like I said in the last sentence of the previous statement, Sasuke is able to swap people. Notice in the scan before that sealing attempt, Sasuke told Naruto to aim his attack at him, which then allowed Sasuke to teleport them both to Madara and immediately apply the seal. No amount of Rin'negan techniques will allow Madara to react diligently enough to anticipate an instantaneous sealing attack from which Sasuke teleports them both to Madara.

You can't just call PLOT, when we'd have already seen the techniques in action and the propensity of the techniques. Limbo, various Rin'negan techniques and even Onmyoudon, all would have been useless. Naruto in his base mode when he was revived dodged Limbo without even trying, and his clones alone were holding back and pushing back Dual Rin'negan Madara's Limbo's. None of Madara's Rin'negan techniques threaten Naruto or Sasuke in the slightest. The strongest offensive Rin'negan technique was already laughed at by far weaker versions of Naruto and Sasuke (when they were both getting used to their powers); Chibaku Tensei. Given the respective durability feats of both of them, the next threatening technique would be Shinra Tensei, but given Naruto's Kurama Avatar feats from just Bijuu Mode and Sasuke's PS, it won't be affecting them all that much.

We've already seen that Obito said that eyes only show their true power when they're together, and that applies to the Rin'negan. In no way does Madara have every ability of the Rin'negan with just one eye, but he obviously has a considerable amount of power with just one. The only special case would be Sasuke, who's shown the use of Deva, Preta and Outer Path with only one Rin'negan (Sharin'negan if you will), which is fine given that we know his eye is special compared to other Rin'negan.

Soloed this thread. All the Madara fappers are gone.
 
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