SM Naruto vs Minato

[ARGUS]

Naruto wins scenario 1 and loses scenario 2
I'll explain once I get on my PC

 

[KidGamer65]

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Dunno why people think clones is an issue, such an overrated technique. There's a reason minato could wipe out 50 within seconds. As soon as he spreads his kunai, Narutos numbers will be down to 1 in moments.

Minato being able to wipe out 50 fodders in the blink of an eye=/=Minato being able to wipe out Naruto and all his clones within seconds. Ma and Pa create their Dust Cloud, rendering Minato unable to see, added onto the fact he has to get past Naruto's clones. Not to mention there is an obvious time gap between Minato killing each clone with Rasengan, so no, the fight isn't going down like this.

In the scenario w/o Ma and Pa, he won't even know which one the original Naruto is.

What's overrated is Hiraishin. Your response shows it perfectly.

Each clone just means divided power, not to mention that sm Naruto has never split himself more than 2. Inside his mind is the only time, which doesn't really count, since Naruto could also fly in that dimension -_-.

1. Because he has a limit to how much Sage Chakra he can use.

2. During the pain arc, it was because he had clones at Mt. Myoboku.

Here, he has Ma and Pa, so he has a continuous flow of Nature Energy. No reason why he can't use his clones like he normally does.

Seriously? You Really Think Minato Can't Handle A Bunch Of Clones? Even Chuunins/Jounins Can Handle That...Neither Of Them Will Land A Scratch On Minato...

So Chunin and Jounin can handle SM Naruto clones? Lol, stop wanking for once. Its getting pretty ridiculous.

 

[Gold Lightning]

How does a dust cloud affect a sensor?

The more clones, the weaker Naruto becomes. Clones are of no use against FTG. Doesn't matter if he wiped out fodders, if Narutos clones are standing right next to a kunai, they're getting cut down. And who said ransengan is needed? A simple kunai slash takes clones out individually, Minatos hand speed is so fast he can flick a kunai past ay, disappear and catch it, while Ay is moving at top speed.

Knowing which is the real Naruto isn't important, and FTG isn't overrated. This isn't a rikudo enhanced Naruto, so he's not reacting to it. If a clone is anywhere near a kunai, it's getting one shotted.

 

[LuckyMan]

Minatos hand speed is so fast he can flick a kunai past ay, disappear and catch it, while Ay is moving at top speed.

Not to mention he throws a kunai about 30 meters faster than Kakashi can use Kamui.

 

[KidGamer65]

How does a dust cloud affect a sensor?

The cloud is filled with Ma's chakra, so that's all he'll sense. Not to mention its harder to react when you can't see something, regardless of sensing.

The more clones, the weaker Naruto becomes.

The less chakra he uses, not the weaker he becomes. Lets not make stuff up.

Clones are of no use against FTG. Doesn't matter if he wiped out fodders, if Narutos clones are standing right next to a kunai, they're getting cut down.

Never said they wouldn't. I only said Minato isn't taking them all out before any of them can do anything.

And who said ransengan is needed? A simple kunai slash takes clones out individually, Minatos hand speed is so fast he can flick a kunai past ay, disappear and catch it, while Ay is moving at top speed.

Yes, dat hand speed. Even though B was able to knock Ay away before Minato could strike him with his oh so special hand speed, even though Minato was practically standing on Ay. Minato's Hand speed hasn't shown to be anything special. Also, Minato's Kunai isn't cutting SM Naruto or his clones. Naruto fell on stalagmites and took no damage, instead the rocks broke. Pain's Yak rammed right into Jiraiya, but he tanked it. (In Sage Mode of course) If he wants to kill Naruto or his clones, he needs Rasengan.

Knowing which is the real Naruto isn't important, and FTG isn't overrated. This isn't a rikudo enhanced Naruto, so he's not reacting to it. If a clone is anywhere near a kunai, it's getting one shotted.

Never said he'd react. And lol? Yes, it is. If he doesn't know which one is the original, he ends up attacking clones and then the original and the clones that haven't been killed yet end up overwhelming him.

 

[Apêx1]

Minato wins.
-Minato's Shunshin exceeds Tobirama's [

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], whose speed exceeds Hashirama [

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], who is on the same level as Madara, who as we saw, caught SM Naruto off guard [

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]. Minato's speed is thus going to overwhelm SM Naruto, when coupled with Hirashin and clones.
-COFRS can be redirected with S/T barrier.
-Minato can make clones as well, and it won't be far off what Naruto can make given he doesn't receive Kurama's chakra.
-Naruto is never touching Minato, at all. Minato reacted to Ay's v2 speed, and teleported twice before Ay could pass by a Kunai.
-Minato can always teleport to any of his FTG kunai if Ma uses dust cloud, seeing how it isn't very large, and isn't lasting for long. He can put his finger on the ground to sense as well.
-Overall Naruto should never be capable of touching Minato, whereas the odds of Minato touching SM Naruto aren't as low.
-Minato's clones using FTG simultaneously with the real Minato should be too much for any clone to handle, and eventually Naruto himself.

 

[Beans2]

Why do people think Ma and Pa can be insta-summoned? Jiraiya had to draw with blood a special summoning jutsu on his face to summon them and hold his hands together for several minutes.

OT: Minato wins this.

 

[Haizaki]

Kidgamer you say Minato would only sense Ma's chakra in the cloud but you ignored the fact that Naruto as well would only sense Ma's chakra. Not to mention his clones would be sensing Ma's chakra as well and Minato can easily teleport to another Kunai and therefore his position won't be known to them if that's the case.

A CQC is in Minato's favor since Minato can easily react to him and tag him. Not to mention being able to sense doesn't automatically mean he can instantly sense Minato with his speed.

 

[RustledJimmies]

SM Nardo wins scenario one and Minardo wins scenario 2.

 

[Glad Of War]

Naruto takes Scenario One Mid diff..

Scenario Two? Hmmm.. Draw maybe?

 

[Apêx1]

Kidgamer you say Minato would only sense Ma's chakra in the cloud but you ignored the fact that Naruto as well would only sense Ma's chakra. Not to mention his clones would be sensing Ma's chakra as well and Minato can easily teleport to another Kunai and therefore his position won't be known to them if that's the case.

A CQC is in Minato's favor since Minato can easily react to him and tag him. Not to mention being able to sense doesn't automatically mean he can instantly sense Minato with his speed.

I don't believe Naruto's sensing works that way, not to mention he has already been in that dust cloud.

 

[Haizaki]

I don't believe Naruto's sensing works that way, not to mention he has already been in that dust cloud.

They both can sense chakra..I believe that's how they both sense. Also, Naruto didn't do anything in the cloud except take Animal Path who couldn't sense and plus Naruto knew their position already.

 

[Great Master Minato]

So Chunin and Jounin can handle SM Naruto clones? Lol, stop wanking for once. Its getting pretty ridiculous.

1)Minato Is Not Just Any Ordinary Chuunin/Jounin...He's One Of The Best Ninjas Of All Time...The Most Gifted Shinobi So Stop Underrating Him...

2)Any Top Tire Ninja Can Handle Multiple Shadow Clones...

I Used To Think You're A Logical Person But Now You Believe A Bunch Of Clones Can Take Out Someone Like Minato! I Don't Know What To Say...

 

[KidGamer65]

Kidgamer you say Minato would only sense Ma's chakra in the cloud but you ignored the fact that Naruto as well would only sense Ma's chakra. Not to mention his clones would be sensing Ma's chakra as well and Minato can easily teleport to another Kunai and therefore his position won't be known to them if that's the case.

A CQC is in Minato's favor since Minato can easily react to him and tag him. Not to mention being able to sense doesn't automatically mean he can instantly sense Minato with his speed.

Why would Naruto need to sense Minato in the cloud in the first place? He knows that Minato is in the cloud, and he has AoE attacks. He doesn't need to pinpoint Minato's location. If he teleports out, then he's escaped, but no, his position will be known. Sage Sensing lets Naruto see an outline of the field,

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He can't escape Naruto's sensing no matter where he is. Not when SM Naruto has this kind of sensing, and can sense things when in another country.

CQC is not in Minato's favor. Clones let Naruto attack Minato even if he himself can't react in time. If Minato strikes a clone, he ends up getting hit by the rest, not to mention Naruto has Frog Kata, which he can't see or sense when not in Sage Mode.

1)Minato Is Not Just Any Ordinary Chuunin/Jounin...He's One Of The Best Ninjas Of All Time...The Most Gifted Shinobi So Stop Underrating Him...

2)Any Top Tire Ninja Can Handle Multiple Shadow Clones...

I Used To Think You're A Logical Person But Now You Believe A Bunch Of Clones Can Take Out Someone Like Minato! I Don't Know What To Say...

Yet I see no logical argument from you, just "Any top tier can handle multiple Shadow Clones"

Lol, stop fanboying, and stop replying to me if all you are going to do is cry about how I'm underrating your fav. Its getting pretty damn annoying.

 

[Bogard]

Minato wins both scenarios. Naruto should not use FRS technique considering he would end up being killed by his own technique due to space-time barrier. I also don't know why you think Naruto is the only one who can use clones and Minato remains the fastest of the two. Alongside with barrage of hiraishin kunais, he would wipe out Naruto pretty quickly. In scenario1, there is also the possibility of Minato synching with a small toad to achieve the same benefit Naruto possess(in sage mode abilities), upgrading the stomping to greater extent

In scenario2, same thing as above except worse considering the sage mode limit

 

[Haizaki]

Why would Naruto need to sense Minato in the cloud in the first place? He knows that Minato is in the cloud, and he has AoE attacks. He doesn't need to pinpoint Minato's location. If he teleports out, then he's escaped, but no, his position will be known. Sage Sensing lets Naruto see an outline of the field,

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He can't escape Naruto's sensing no matter where he is. Not when SM Naruto has this kind of sensing, and can sense things when in another country.

Ok Makes sense. Then the best way is to use the second option which is teleporting out of the cloud. This way he can see Naruto's attacks.

CQC is not in Minato's favor. Clones let Naruto attack Minato even if he himself can't react in time. If Minato strikes a clone, he ends up getting hit by the rest, not to mention Naruto has Frog Kata, which he can't see or sense when not in Sage Mode.

True but Minato can use clones as well. Not as much as Naruto's but I'm sure they are more than enough to end up covering for him against the other clones. Neji alone was taking on this much by himself

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and evaded them without even resorting to rotation yet. I'm pretty sure Minato with clones should do fine. Though I see your point and I guess I really did underestimate SM Naruto in this matchup.

Depends on his striking speed though

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If Minato can teleport away before Naruto strikes or strike him first then he can prevent Frog Kata.

 

[Great Master Minato]

^^
Apparently Minato Can't Do Something That Neji Could Lol
Yet OP Said I'm Not Underrating Minato!

 

[KidGamer65]

True but Minato can use clones as well. Not as much as Naruto's but I'm sure they are more than enough to end up covering for him against the other clones. Neji alone was taking on this much by himself

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and evaded them without even resorting to rotation yet. I'm pretty sure Minato with clones should do fine. Though I see your point and I guess I really did underestimate SM Naruto in this matchup.

Not nearly as many as Naruto can use, thus its pointless in the end. 5 guys aren't going to cover against 15, or 20 guys. Why are we even using Part 1 Base Naruto's clones vs Neji as some kind of basis for Part 2 Sage Mode Naruto's clones being wrecked by Minato? Did Part 1 Naruto's clones know any kind of Rasengan in that fight? Did they have advanced sensing? Were they as skilled as Naruto was? This isn't even evidence for Minato doing fine against the clones.

Do you guys really except Minato to tear through the clones like they aren't even there? He needs Rasengan to even kill them due to Sage enhanced durability. Normal Kunai aren't going to do anything, at all. They'll know his position every step of the way, and in the time between him killing one and escaping to kill another, he gets hit.

Depends on his striking speed though

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If Minato can teleport away before Naruto strikes or strike him first then he can prevent Frog Kata.

Yeah, if he teleports away it works, but if he tries to attack him, Naruto does

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to him and hits him with Frog Kata anyway.

Apparently Minato Can't Do Something That Neji Could
Yet OP Said I'm Not Underrating Minato!

Lol, its nice to know that you guys think that Neji fodderizing Part 1 Naruto's Base Clones means that Minato can fodderize Part 2 Sage Mode Naruto's clones.

Like I said, stop posting.

 

[Apêx1]

I don't believe Naruto has ever used more than 3-5 Kage Bunshins in SM, and there's obviously a reason for that; he cannot. Pa made this rather clear here:

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Nothing suggests 1/10th of Naruto's chakra is enough to maintain SM at all, especially not with Kurama's chakra. Thus Minato can in fact use more Kage Bunshin than Naruto, not to mention there's a clear indication that Minato's reserves are massive since he teleported the Juubi Dama among other things. 15 Kage Bunshins should be nothing for him when Kakashi made

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low levels of chakra in part 1. After using a Raiton Bunshin he was at about half of his chakra left back then [

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]. Kakashi tired from a small dog summon, a Raikiri and Sharingan usage [

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]. Minato should have no trouble using 10+ clones effectively, whereas SM Naruto will, thus Minato still shits.

 

[KidGamer65]

I don't believe Naruto has ever used more than 3-5 Kage Bunshins in SM, and there's obviously a reason for that; he cannot. Pa made this rather clear here:

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Nothing suggests 1/10th of Naruto's chakra is enough to maintain SM at all, especially not with Kurama's chakra. Thus Minato can in fact use more Kage Bunshin than Naruto,

The only reason he didn't is because he didn't have a continuous supply of Nature Energy, nor was he allowed to use more than 3 during his fight with Pain, due to his clones gathering Nature Energy. When he had a continuous supply of Nature Energy vs. Kurama, he was able to make dozens of clones for his barrage and he was able to have them all use Cho Odama Rasengan on top of that. So unless you can give me a logical reason why Naruto can't make that many clones outside of his head, with a continuous supply of Nature Energy, then Naruto can make that many clones outside of his head.

not to mention there's a clear indication that Minato's reserves are massive since he teleported the Juubi Dama among other things. 15 Kage Bunshins should be nothing for him when Kakashi made

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low levels of chakra in part 1. After using a Raiton Bunshin he was at about half of his chakra left back then [

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]. Kakashi tired from a small dog summon, a Raikiri and Sharingan usage [

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]. Minato should have no trouble using 10+ clones effectively, whereas SM Naruto will, thus Minato still shits.

Wrong again. Edo Minato with Kurama inside of him=/=Alive Minato w/o Kurama. Possessing a Bijuu increases your base chakra reserves, and Minato can use up his full chakra as an Edo and not feel any strain at all because it'll just regenerate. Alive Minato teleported a Bijuu Dama, Kurama, and himself a few times and was tired. Nothing compared to a Juubidama, no reason for me to take Edo Minato's feats, when there are multiple reasons why they aren't applicable in a battle where he is alive.

The clones Kakashi made were nothing but a fake out to scare Gato's thugs away. Shadow Clones with that little chakra can't do anything, something I'm pretty sure he stated or implied, so that isn't a feat for Kakashi, nor is it a feat that you can use that allows Minato to make more clones than he did. But I agree that Minato can make 10, Naruto has more chakra though, so he makes more. That simple.