18-Year Old Girl Jailed A Year for stupid stunt

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Damn you are so clever, you know the Quran so well. Oh wait no.

5:33 talk about those who wage war against muslims.

I am totally wrong ... Oh, wait the delicate-jimmies/hateful-ones/propagandists considers even bad mouthing (ie counter propaganda/arguments) as an slippery slope for an act of War against them. Not unlike when Muhammad called for the murder of Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf who was basically today's variation of a very annoying and insulting Political Cartoonist.

Also pick a better country for your example, Saudi Arabia is known to have beheaded a Egyptian Pharmacist for witchcraft, blasphemy and possible adultry. ( )
 
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I am totally wrong ... Oh, wait the delicate-jimmies/hateful-ones/propagandists considers even bad mouthing (ie counter propaganda/arguments) as an slippery slope for an act of War against them. Not unlike when Muhammad called for the murder of Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf who was basically today's variation of a very annoying and insulting Political Cartoonist.

Also pick a better country for your example, Saudi Arabia is known to have beheaded a Egyptian Pharmacist for witchcraft, blasphemy and possible adultry. ( )
That's not the point. The point is, you are desperate to find a basis for condemning islam. For that reason, you were not reluctant to go as far as distorting a quote. That mentality is sad. Ignorance and malevolance like that are the exact traits that give rise to extremism you condemn so much. People like you are nothing better in my eyes than the ones you are trying to judge, therefor I have no intention of putting up a debate. Have a good day.

PS. Kab ibn al-Ashraf was not killed simply for insulting Mohamed, but for trying to incite war against him. Again you distorted a story to your own liking. I'm done.
 
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I think the 'Original' Islamic Law for Blasphemy is: "execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter, Except for those who return repenting before you apprehend them." (Qur'an, sura 5 (Al-Ma'ida), ayah 33-34) ... a heavy punishment. Not to mention I linked the news to showcase how religious sentiments are used in mob 'justice', not how Laws are formulated or implemented.
It's your opinion that the punishments are heavy. To be honest, I think every criminal who commits violent act should deserve a Capital Punishment. And not only that, you criticize Islam for heavy punishments, yet you're ignorant enough to forget most countries in the past used to also do the same thing.
 

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Re: The Islamization of the UK - 18-Year Old Girl Jailed A Year

Well I Hope big bertha takes it easy on her. I doubt this was worth being someones ***** in jail.
 

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Irrelevant. Both the girl and man deserved what they got. It's a case of deliberate provocation. Live and let live. Such actions to hurt religious feelings and beliefs of people only strengthen the extremists.
History stands witness to your naivete.

Pakistan is not one of the original Islamic laws. Countries like Saudi Arabia would prison them instead of a violent punishment.
Depends upon what time period we are talking about, really.

It's okay. Islam won't have complete control over your life, if you don't want to convert.
Islam will have no control over my life aside from coercing people such as myself into war against it.

They should go to jail. You only hear about this things in a white mans country, back home if you try this the children would most likely be thoroughly beaten or even stripped. Next time don't disgrace someones religion. Im a Christan but this pisses me of.
They should go to jail?

Really?

Why?

Vandalism is rarely prosecuted as a criminal case and is usually prosecuted as a civil suit seeking reparations for damages.

Why should it be any different for religions?

Why should religions get a privileged status amongst the judicial system?

thou shalt not provoke/hurt religious sentiments.
Laws are strict because many reasons..one you should not do it other when it is done mostly organized communities start rioting and politicians loose their vote share for not being nice to them.
As much as someone hurts religious sentiments of one community by such stunts that community itself provokes the locals by living there. Christians and Muslims in Russia do the same stunts giving beef cans to Hindu priests.
Let the people riot. Send in the national guard (or equivalent) to suppress the riot (which is an illegal behavior) and let the issue sort itself out. Crimes should be prosecuted as if they were against any home or business - nor should non-crimes be elevated to the status of crimes because someone got their feelings hurt.

This politically correct world of fantasy we live in is going to burst in one hell of a bloody bubble if we are not careful.

It's your opinion that the punishments are heavy. To be honest, I think every criminal who commits violent act should deserve a Capital Punishment. And not only that, you criticize Islam for heavy punishments, yet you're ignorant enough to forget most countries in the past used to also do the same thing.
So what is the point you are trying to make?

That Islam is attempting to graduate from the stone age or that Islam is currently justified by the behavior of people in the stone age?
 
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Let the people riot. Send in the national guard (or equivalent) to suppress the riot (which is an illegal behavior) and let the issue sort itself out. Crimes should be prosecuted as if they were against any home or business - nor should non-crimes be elevated to the status of crimes because someone got their feelings hurt.

This politically correct world of fantasy we live in is going to burst in one hell of a bloody bubble if we are not careful.
That never happens at least not where I live.I read about riots in news often. They riot even beat police get beaten sometimes,the recent trend is flying ISIS flags.

If a politician in power orders an armed suppression it will be called a genocide,state sponsored attack on that community.He will be haunted for years.The matter becomes politicized,politicians are in power because of votes not for doing right and bold things.
 

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That never happens at least not where I live.I read about riots in news often. They riot even beat police get beaten sometimes,the recent trend is flying ISIS flags.
Not all riots are the same, but, generally speaking, they are not an 'uprising' of the 'people against the government.'

In their simplest form - riots are just thugs and people of weak will who decide to tear things up and steal while they have the opportunity.

In their more sinister forms - riots are veiled attempts at usurping the government by criminal elements.

Think about it. What do these rioters want?

The authority to send you to jail for questioning them. They want to be the government. They want to be in control - to reign over the region.

If you like your government, or at least like the system that it uses - then you will support any means to remove the people who would usurp and replace it with a totalitarian oligarchy orchestrated by militants.

If a politician in power orders an armed suppression it will be called a genocide,state sponsored attack on that community.He will be haunted for years.The matter becomes politicized,politicians are in power because of votes not for doing right and bold things.
Politicians delude themselves into thinking they know what will cause people to not vote for them.

They think that people will not vote for someone who occasionally says something contentious or actually takes a stand on an issue. This is because the ones who have taken a stand are those who believe in political correctness.

Britain has long compromised its failsafes.

America, for example, still has one of the most armed populations on the planet. The politicians would quickly find out that they should send in the National Guard to quell the riot because the people on the fringes of it can and will mow down people threatening their property in a bloodbath. Then vote them out of office for trying to placate the rioters.

In Britain's case - there is not much of a failsafe.

I doubt the people of Britain will just allow themselves to be run over - but by the time the IS begins laying claim to Britain, they will be able to dedicate the resources of several nations against the front.
 

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Re: The Islamization of the UK - 18-Year Old Girl Jailed A Year

And this is why the UK should become secular and ban all forms of religion.

Islam is parasitic and detrimental in nature.
 

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Re: The Islamization of the UK - 18-Year Old Girl Jailed A Year

And this is why the UK should become secular and ban all forms of religion.

Islam is parasitic and detrimental in nature.
Worked out well for the people of Russia under Stalin......
 

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Not all riots are the same, but, generally speaking, they are not an 'uprising' of the 'people against the government.'

In their simplest form - riots are just thugs and people of weak will who decide to tear things up and steal while they have the opportunity.

In their more sinister forms - riots are veiled attempts at usurping the government by criminal elements.

Think about it. What do these rioters want?

The authority to send you to jail for questioning them. They want to be the government. They want to be in control - to reign over the region.

If you like your government, or at least like the system that it uses - then you will support any means to remove the people who would usurp and replace it with a totalitarian oligarchy orchestrated by militants.



Politicians delude themselves into thinking they know what will cause people to not vote for them.

They think that people will not vote for someone who occasionally says something contentious or actually takes a stand on an issue. This is because the ones who have taken a stand are those who believe in political correctness.

Britain has long compromised its failsafes.

America, for example, still has one of the most armed populations on the planet. The politicians would quickly find out that they should send in the National Guard to quell the riot because the people on the fringes of it can and will mow down people threatening their property in a bloodbath. Then vote them out of office for trying to placate the rioters.

In Britain's case - there is not much of a failsafe.

I doubt the people of Britain will just allow themselves to be run over - but by the time the IS begins laying claim to Britain, they will be able to dedicate the resources of several nations against the front.

Yea, you are right about the rioters mostly having criminal tendencies and such criminals wanting to rule. (Unfortunately we already have many of them in power, directly or indirectly but that's a different issue.) But you are ignoring the politics of votes.

Practically in a democracy an organized minority is majority.

If the rioters belong to a supposed minority group it becomes a delicate situation. And no matter how careful you are, the moment you try to call out on the actions of minority you will get bombarded with accusation of being a right winged communal maniac.

We have illegal migrants from neighboring countries which are able to procure the documents only Indian citizens should be allowed, but for the corrupt politicians, who protect and secure them such documents in return for mass voting. My Bangladeshi maid had more legit documents than my Indian maid I had before her. That Indian tribal woman had to face several hardships to collect them and ultimately she left for her village after an attempted kidnapping of her minor daughter from their home ( while she was out working) by some youths of that illegal minority group.

She had 3 daughters and decided to leave the metro for the safety of them all. I can't forget her face when suddenly she turned up after 2 hours of leaving and asked me to pay of her salary whatever I see fit( as she got paid on monthly basis and had worked only a few days that month) . That even if I hadn't money ready she would not return to collect it later, even next day for they were going back that very night.

In the capital of the country, she had no one to help her against a bunch of criminals who had political support. ( No the religion of the criminal is not important here because it was the political support which caused this but still it's a sad truth that those criminals were not even legit citizens but people were afraid to go against them). Their payment to politicians = VOTE.

The middle class majority talks a lot but doesn't go to polling booth. It stays at home calling all politicians corrupt and criminals. The typical drawing room talk...

In contrast most from the organized minority communities see their mass votes as a bargaining chip. And they are more prompt and regular. And the illegal ones are even more specific about it and never fail to turn up. So yeah.. collecting mass votes become a key factor if the vote margin is not that big.

Latest is the case of W. Bengal bomb blast-



The bomb blast was result of a clear case of terrorist/criminal conspiracy and yet the CM of the state is somehow defending it on the basis of the religion of the criminals... They were not Indian either and belonged to Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh and managed to escape thanks to W. Bengal government.

The funny thing is that there are reports that these particular terrorists were planning the blasts for their own home country Bangladesh which came in the open when it exploded accidentally... So even at the cost of being accused of supporting the terrorism in another country she would cling on to her vote bank.

She tries to make it sound like the central government has launched a campaign against all immigrant - while it just tried to take over the case which seeing it being terrorism as well as an international conspiracy should be it's jurisdiction. Central government asked for details of the case and that CM thinks since the criminals involved were Muslim, the solidarity of her vote bank is with them.

I'm sure that a majority of educated Muslims is going to wash their hands off in such a case if only facts are put on the table. But turn it into a biased case of targeting a community as a whole and then criminals get to rally support from normal people too and in turn vote for the politician who seems to take care of them. So it's personally more profitable for them. Anything for the power.

So yeah I don't think I'm being naive in feeling that people who contribute to irritations and phoebes of being targeted for their faith in minority should be penalized.
 
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Yea, you are right about the rioters mostly having criminal tendencies and such criminals wanting to rule. (Unfortunately we already have many of them in power, directly or indirectly but that's a different issue.) But you are ignoring the politics of votes.

Practically in a democracy an organized minority is majority.

If the rioters belong to a supposed minority group it becomes a delicate situation. And no matter how careful you are the moment you try to call out on the actions of minority you will get bombarded with accusation of right winged communal maniac.
I think people radically over-estimate how effective those accusations are.

The reason most people get confused is because of how vocal the people who are against such things become.

Take many of the U.S. political issues.

The argue that 'moderation makes for more votes' is the classic statistical heresy as hedging bets. Betting against yourself is a no-win situation.

Granted, the recent wave of republican elections is largely due to the fact that they are "not the democrats" - and certainly not because they have principles. Already, even with veto-proof majorities in many states, all I hear out of the mouths of politicians is "bipartisan" and "work together" - which is just stupid when they are supposed to be the party that stands for the reduction of government authority and the people have become horribly upset with the expansion of government authority.

This election drew an unprecedented amount of support for third party candidates - which indicates the base may be leaving both parties (those in the Democrats getting fed up with the radicalization of their party and their refusal to accept that mathematics exists... and those in the Republicans who are tired of seeing a party exist as merely 'not the democrats' that tries to make everyone happy and thereby pisses everyone off).

We have illegal migrant from neighboring countries which are able to procure the documents only Indian citizens should be allowed but to corrupt politicians who protect and secure them such documents in return for mass voting. I had a maid which had more legit documentation than my Indian maid I had before her. That Indian tribal woman had to face several hardships to collect them and ultimately she left for her village after an attempted kidnapping of her minor daughter from their home ( while she was out working) by some youths of that illegal minority group.
That sounds a little more rough than the status of our Southern Border with Mexico - but parts of it are rapidly reaching that point.

She had 3 daughters and decided to leave the metro for the safety of them all. I can't forget her face when suddenly she turned up after 2 hours of leaving and asked me to pay of her salary whatever I see fit( as she got paid on monthly basis and had worked only a few days that month) . That if I hadn't money ready she would not return to collect it later even next day for they were going back that very night.

In the capital of the country she had no one to help her against a bunch of criminals who had political support. ( No the religion of the criminal is not important here because it was the political support which caused this but still it's a sad truth that those criminals were not even legit citizens but people were afraid to go against them). Their payment to politicians = VOTE.
This is precisely why the President of our own nation is attempting to enact amnesty for most of the hispanic illegal migrants in our nation. Generally speaking, the hispanics lean in favor of his party - though these will likely lean especially hard in favor of his party as he has essentially given them rights to government assistance programs (free living) and protection from deportation.

Of course - I am not sure how he can draw the legal case for doing it... but if no one is going to deport the illegals and/or arrest the President - then they may as well be considered legal, now and the signing of the executive action is just a formality.

The middle class majority talks a lot but doesn't go to polling booth. It stays at home calling all politicians corrupt and criminals. The typical drawing room talk...

In contrast most from the organized minority communities see their mass votes as a bargaining chip. And they are more prompt and regular. And the illegal ones are even more specific about it and never fail to turn up. So yeah.. collecting mass votes become a key factor if the vote margin is not that big.
The biggest obstacle to a democracy is candidacy for an office.

The problem in the U.S. has been exacerbated by a largely two-party system (not to mention the confusion of American Left/Right with political Left/Right the rest of the world over; the American Left/Right tends to deal more with social issues while the World Left/Right tends to deal with Democratic Socialism versus Autocratic Fascism). Because there have almost always been two main parties dating back to the Federalist and Anti-Federalist debates surrounding the formation of the Constitution, it has always been the fear that a third party would 'split' the vote.

For example - I identify strongly with Libertarians in terms of how our government should be run. I am perhaps even closer to an Anarchist than Libertarian, by the metrics of some. I have voted Libertarian several times, and would do so, again. As would many others whom I have talked to.

The problem is that people of the conservative base (and the liberal base) are afraid of straying from the main party. "A vote for anyone other than a Republican is essentially a vote for a Democrat."

Even then, there are very good Republican candidates who I would have loved to see placed up for election. Generally - a party won't replace its own incumbent member, but even when that is not an obstacle - the candidates in the primary are often very selectively chosen (and in some cases, even prevented from running by the party).

The challenge with democracy is the process of candidacy.

For example:



A dead person can be elected.

I don't think a 'stronger voter turnout' - at least in America - would really change the statistics that much.

Of course... other data shows that elections can be as much about terminology as it is about anything else:



Particularly among my own generation.

Granted - I know what my generation has been through in public schooling. You are basically taught in history that people were ignorant and the government enlightened them. So I understand why the polling data is as skewed as it is. It's the contrast of brainwashing against people who still understand reality to work differently.

I'm not saying you're wrong - particularly with events in your own country.

I am just trying to add a somewhat different perspective/opinion.

I think the most important power the people should have is that of "Recall." The ability to fire a representative. It works better in Three-party systems than in two-party systems, because you don't have the idea that "majority rules" - because the candidate who won with 40% of the vote can just as easily face a 60% vote to yank them out of office for corrupt behavior.

There again - I came up with the "Water Tower" model of government, somewhat in jest. Basically, every few years, you ritualistically sacrifice all of the democratically elected representatives by hanging them from a water tower. Perhaps this is after they pass any piece of legislation. Or perhaps they can double the value of their vote if they martyr themselves from the water tower for the sake of passing the bill.

That might be the more sinister model - get them into a bidding war to see how many will hurl themselves to their death for a bill to 'help the poor' with billions of dollars in earmarked spending to cronies.

... I'm a morbid person...

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After further thought - I came up with an even better system.

If, within 48 hours of a bill's passing, a representative is -found- impaled upon the legislature's property... then the legislator's vote on said bill will count as 3x the normal value and no investigation will be conducted into the loss of life.

Therefor, when a candidate sticks his her or name to a bill and says it is 'for' one specific group... said group has a very good reason to sacrifice their representative to get a key piece of legislation through.

It's diabolical and brilliant. See how far special interest groups get in the legislature when they start piking people on the front lawn for bills that no one has read.

... I probably just got myself in trouble, there, but, *shrug* perhaps someone got a chuckle out of it.
 
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Depends upon what time period we are talking about, really.
There is no time period for Pakistan, as far as I'm concerned. All I know is that it's a country mislead by the Sharia Law.

Islam will have no control over my life aside from coercing people such as myself into war against it.
Yes, you go to war because the American government use its military for their corrupted goals, such as stealing natural resources from Iraq. I'm not trying to put the blame here on you but to the American government. Besides, this video is from soldiers quitted due to the things they were ordered:

[video=youtube;B6hp8HMstkE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6hp8HMstkE[/video]

It's quite interesting that some soldiers do not hold the twisted, misunderstood views you hold.

So what is the point you are trying to make?

That Islam is attempting to graduate from the stone age or that Islam is currently justified by the behavior of people in the stone age?
I'm trying to say to people not to criticize a religion for committing heavy punishments, when the pasts countries have also done the same thing.

Also, what do you mean by stone age? You realize there are unfired laws also happen during this century? I can literally make a list of them.
 
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