[Discussion] Ace takes a Donquixote Pirates gauntlet

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Every scenario ends with or just after Vergo. Scen. 1 he loses to vergo after that he loses to Doffy. People think beause Ace never showed haki(despite not being intro'd really by the time he died) that he doesn't have it despite being able to survive in the New World which is a reported Logia killer.

If he has haki on that level then he would have fodderized Smoker but he didn't. He entirely relied on his DF to hold him. I think Ace focused more on mastering his DF. He's a skilled fighter and has large scale attacks but he lacks haki.
 
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If he has haki on that level then he would have fodderized Smoker but he didn't. He entirely relied on his DF to hold him. I think Ace focused more on mastering his DF. He's a skilled fighter and has large scale attacks but he lacks haki.
That fight happened before haki was introduced so of course Oda wasn't going to have either of them demonstrate it.
 

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Please explain how he's beating Vergo... Vergo has a huge speed advantage a huge strength advantage and is far more durable... Ace doesn't even have Haki... Also Vergo proved why logia's one Ace level is fodder compared to him...
 
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