My Final Tier List of Naruto Shippuden

[Killua Zoldyck]

Alright, this is my Tier list. This Tier list is not based on 1V1 circumstances, this Tier list is based on overall power. I tried to use as little bias as possible. Hamura, Indra and Ashura where excluded because of extreme controversy on their power levels.

Please don't start bashing or hating, I would not mind constructive criticism, I actually prefer it as this did take a good amount of time to do. If the suggestions seems reasonable to me, I will take it into account.

And yes, The Last Naruto the movie is canon, therefore, Toneri is as well.

Tier 1:

~Kaguya Ōtsutsuki
~Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki [Post-Jubi Jinchuriki]

Tier 2:

~Madara Uchiha [Post-Shinju absorbtion + Dual Rinnegan + Third Eye]
~Toneri Ōtsutsuki
~Naruto Uzumaki [Rikudo]
~Sasuke Uchiha [w/Biju chakra]

Tier 3:

~Sasuke Uchiha [Rinnegan]

Tier 4:

~Madara Uchiha [Post Shinju abosrbation + One Rinnegan]
~Kakashi Hatake [DMS]

Tier 5:

~Might Gai [Hachimon Tonko No Jin]
~Madara Uchiha [Pre-Shinju w/One Rinnegan]
~Obito Uchiha [Jubi Jinchuriki]

Tier 6:

~Madara Uchiha [Mortal One-Rinnegan + Gedo Mazu + SM]
~Kabuto Yakushi [W/Edo Tensei]
~Orochimaru [W/Edo Tensei]

Tier 7:

~Obito Uchiha [Rinnegan + Gedo Mazu + 6 Jinchurikis]
~Hashirama Senju
~Madara Uchiha [EMS + Kurama]
~Madara Uchiha [Edo]
~Naruto Uzumaki [BSM]
~Minato Namikaze [BM]

Tier 8:

~Naruto Uzumaki [BM]
~Madara Uchiha [EMS]
~Sasuke Uchiha [EMS]
~Nagato Uzumaki [Healthy]

Tier 9:

~Naruto Uzumaki [KCM]
~Killer Bee [w/Hachibi]

Tier 10:

~Six Paths of Pein
~Spiral Zetsu [Yamato filling]
~Kabuto Yakushi [DSM]
~Itachi Uchiha [Healthy]
~Tobirama Senju
~Minato Namikaze [Base]

Tier 11:

~Kakashi [War Arc MS]
~Mū
~Ōnoki [W/o Back problems]
~Sasuke Uchiha [MS]
~Ei [W/Both arms]
~Gaara [War Arc]
~Naruto Uzumaki [War Arc Sage Mode]
~3rd Raikage
~2nd Mizukage
~Danzo Shimura [w/o Koto]
~Hiruzen Sarutobi [Edo]
~Obito Uchiha [MS]

Tier 12:

~Jiraiya [Sage Mode]
~Orochimaru [Zetsu Body]
~Might Dai [Hachimon Tonko No Jin]
~Kisame Hoshigaki
~Shisui Uchiha [w/o Koto]
~Itachi [Sick]
~Naruto Uzumaki [Pein Arc - Sage Mode]
~Sasori
~Sasuke Uchiha [Hebi]
~Deidara
~Kakuzu
~Obito Uchiha [Attack On Konoha]


Tier 13:

~Yagura
~Yugito Nii
~Fū
~Utakata
~Han
~Roshi
~Kinkaku
~Ginkaku

Tier 14:

~Jiraiya [Base]
~Tsunade
~Sakura Haruno
~Kakashi Hatake [MS Pein Arc]
~Orochimaru [Vs 4-Tailed Naruto]
~Kimmimaro [Edo]
~Hiruzen Sarutobi [Old]
~Mei Terumi
~Hanzō [Prime]
~Karin Uzumaki [Rage Mode]
~Kushina Uzumaki

Tier 15:

~Konan [W/o Prep]
~Naruto [Immortals Arc]
~Yamato
~Hidan
~Asuma Sarutobi
~4th Kazekage
~Rock Lee [War Arc]
~Choji Akimichi [Butterfly]
~Neji Hyūga [War Arc]
~Kabuto [Pre-DNA infusion]
~Darui
~Kimmimaro [Sick]
~Mifune
~Gaara [SRA]

Tier 16:

~Kitsuchi
~Choza
~Temari [War Arc]
~Kakashi Hatake [Part 1]
~Kankuro [War Arc]
~Chiyo
~Mangetsu
~Zabuza Momochi

Tier 17:

~Kagami Uchiha
~Sai [War Arc]
~Kiba Inuzuka
~Jugo
~Suigetsu
~Gari
~Pakura
~Naruto [Beginning of Shippuden]
~Shikamaru [War Arc]
~Shikaku
~Sakura [Beginning of Shippuden]
~Kurenei
~Kurotsuchi
~Akatsuchi
~Chojuro
~Raiga Kurosuki
~Ameyuri Ringo
~Jinpachi Munashi
~Fuguki Suikazan
~Kushimaru Kuriarare
~Jonin Akebino
~Akatsuchi
~Aō
~Torune
~Fuu

Tier 18:

~Omoi
~Lee [Chunin Exams]
~Shino Aburame [War Arc]
~Choji [SRA + Butterfly]
~Sasuke [VOTE]
~Naruto [VOTE]
~Neji Hyūga [SRA]
~Temari [SRA]
~Haku
~Kidomaru
~Gaara [Chunin Exams]
~Tayuya
~Sakon/Ukon
~Kankuro [SRA]

Tier 19:

~Jiribo
~Kiba Inuzuki [SRA]
~Sasuke [Chunin Exams]
~Naruto [Chunin Exams W/o Gambunta]
~Temari [Chunin Exams]
~Kankuro [Chunin Exams]
~Konohamaru
~Hinata [War Arc]
~Dosu

Tier 20:

~C
~Mizuki
~Ten-Ten [War Arc]
~Ino [War Arc]
~Zaku
~Shikamaru [SRA]
~Iruka
~Shikamaru [Chunin Exams]
~Kiba Inuzuki [Chunin Exams]
~Shino Abarume (Chunin Exams)

Tier 21:

~Fodder
~Choji Akimichi [Chunin Exams]

Tier 22:

~White Zetsu Clone
~Ten-Ten [Chunin Exams]
~Ino [Chunin Exams]
~Kin Tsuchi
~Hinata [Chunin Exams]

Tier 23:

~Part 1 Sakura

 

[Dave Stevenson]

Shitty list

 

[ARGUS]

are each of the tiers placed in order of strength?

 

[Selan]

Horrible ranking, it makes no sense frankly.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

are each of the tiers placed in order of strength?

The characters in the tiers are not, the tiers themselves obviously are.

Horrible ranking, it makes no sense frankly.

Don't get what that's supposed to mean......how can a tier list not make sense, its pretty self explanatory.

 

[ARGUS]

The characters in the tiers are not, the tiers themselves obviously are.
.

Then the tiers list is pretty good, well done

--move SM jiraiya a tier up, and edo hiruzen a tier down,

--war arc kakashi need to be moved 2 tiers up, if not then atleast one tier up,

--Pein arc SM naruto is way too low, he needs to be moved up to the same tier as MS Sasuke

--move DSM kabuto and MS obito a tier up, they both comfortably beat all the people in his tier

--sasori, deidara and kakuzu are a bit too high, move them a tier down,

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

Then the tiers list is pretty good, well done

--move SM jiraiya a tier up, and edo hiruzen a tier down,

--war arc kakashi need to be moved 2 tiers up, if not then atleast one tier up,

--Pein arc SM naruto is way too low, he needs to be moved up to the same tier as MS Sasuke

--move DSM kabuto and MS obito a tier up, they both comfortably beat all the people in his tier

--sasori, deidara and kakuzu are a bit too high, move them a tier down,

1) I don't think SM Jiraiys beats anyone in that tier bar perhaps Danzō and Gaara (Only because he is the perfect counter to Gaara, despite being overall weaker). Edo Hiruzen is pretty OP, I think he can hang with some of the characters in that tier.

2) Yeah you are right.

3) Pein Arc Naruto is significantly weaker then MS Sasuke. Heck, even after training a bit, he still admitted inferiority to Sasuke. Both Susanoo and Amaterasu are far deadlier then anything Pein Arc SM Naruto has in his arsenal.

4) In a Cave or otherwise enclosed space perhaps, but otherwise I think he is fairly even with the character in his tier. And significantly below Bee and Naruto. MS Obito is kinda overrated, I could see a good deal of characters in his own tier being capable of beating him.

5) They have proven themselves to be capable of beating Bijus, Kakuzu and Deidara had done it quite handily. I think they are good where they are.

 

[KidGamer65]

Edo Madara needs to go down. There is literally no reason why he should be in the same tier as SM Hashirama, VotE Madara and BSM Naruto.

War Arc Sage Naruto, and MS Obito need to move up a tier.

Nagato should move down a tier.

From my first look, everything else looks great. I'll look into it with more detail another day.

 

[ARGUS]

1) I don't think SM Jiraiys beats anyone in that tier bar perhaps Danzō and Gaara (Only because he is the perfect counter to Gaara, despite being overall weaker). Edo Hiruzen is pretty OP, I think he can hang with some of the characters in that tier.

nope, edo hiruzen is basically similar to kakuzu with his elemental techniques being on a slightly higher scale,
jiraiya in SM can certainly compete with most of the people above, such as second mizukage, muu, and Ay,
his frog call and rasengan combo can get rid of alot of people and with his sensing barrier being a method of contact sensing makes him worthy of being a tier above

2) Yeah you are right.

3) Pein Arc Naruto is significantly weaker then MS Sasuke. Heck, even after training a bit, he still admitted inferiority to Sasuke. Both Susanoo and Amaterasu are far deadlier then anything Pein Arc SM Naruto has in his arsenal.

No hes not,
they are relatively on par with each other, with naruto actually having the advantage,
amaterasu is sensed and countered by smoke bombs blockig his LoS,
whilst susanoo attacks are either evaded, outlasted or the susanoo is busted with FRS,

4) In a Cave or otherwise enclosed space perhaps, but otherwise I think he is fairly even with the character in his tier. And significantly below Bee and Naruto. MS Obito is kinda overrated, I could see a good deal of characters in his own tier being capable of beating him.

Nope, he beats Minato, Itachi, Tobirama and Pein mid diff at most, the only one where a case could be made for is Pein, otherwise kabuto beats every one else regardless of the location,
MS Obito is overrated but he is way too low in ur list,
he is sstill in the same tier as Pein itachi and the hokages,
he needs to move up

5) They have proven themselves to be capable of beating Bijus, Kakuzu and Deidara had done it quite handily. I think they are good where they are.

they are strong sure,
but them being 2 tiers above people like Mei, orochimaru, tsunade and hanzo?
not really,

 

[Icelerate]

Tsunade should be moved down to tier 16.

 

[Transcendence]

Move Kaguya into a tier of her own (Tier 0), while putting Rikudo Mode Naruto, Rin'negan Sasuke (w/Bijuu) and 3 Eyed Madara within the same tier as Hagoromo. I'll look into the rest of the list later. But start with those changes.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

I will reply to Gamer and Killflom and Icelerate later.

Move Kaguya into a tier of her own (Tier 0), while putting Rikudo Mode Naruto, Rin'negan Sasuke (w/Bijuu) and 3 Eyed Madara within the same tier as Hagoromo. I'll look into the rest of the list later. But start with those changes.

I said it before and I will say it again. They are not as strong as Jin Hagoromo. The Hago that gave them power was not Jin Hagoromo. It took Base Hamura and Base Hagoromo to beat a stronger version of Kaguya then what it took Sasuke + Naruto + Kakashi + Obito + Sakura to beat. Hagoromo then became a jinchūriki of the FULL Jubi. That should put it into perspective. Sasuke and Naruto are about strong as Base Hagoromo, while Madara is slightly stronger then base Hagoromo. But none of them are in the same ballpark as Jin Hagoromo, who should be just as strong as Kaguya herself (since he essentially was her Jinchūriki).

 

[TheEvilOne]

Tsunade should be moved down to tier 16.

Dude, you aren't a good troll, just quit it already. ^

The list is accurate I think, I'd only make some minor changes.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

Edo Madara needs to go down. There is literally no reason why he should be in the same tier as SM Hashirama, VotE Madara and BSM Naruto.

War Arc Sage Naruto, and MS Obito need to move up a tier.

Nagato should move down a tier.

From my first look, everything else looks great. I'll look into it with more detail another day.

He is a lot more versatile then all three of them, Rinnegan, Mokuton and EMS Jutsu. If he used these Jutsu to full extent, he is just as deadly as they are.

I disagree.

Why would you say that.

nope, edo hiruzen is basically similar to kakuzu with his elemental techniques being on a slightly higher scale,
jiraiya in SM can certainly compete with most of the people above, such as second mizukage, muu, and Ay,
his frog call and rasengan combo can get rid of alot of people and with his sensing barrier being a method of contact sensing makes him worthy of being a tier above

Hiruzen not only has slightly better Jutsu then Kakuzu. But he also has Enma who is OP. As well as Shadow Clones which are far more durable then Narutos own. Jiraiya can compete with Mū and Mizukage perhaps because he has a good counter to them (movement sensing barrier), other then that, not really. Ei's V2 destroys Jiraiya. Jinton and invisibility is far more OP and useful in battle then what Jiraiya has, Jokey Boy and the Mist is also too OP.

No hes not,
they are relatively on par with each other, with naruto actually having the advantage,
amaterasu is sensed and countered by smoke bombs blockig his LoS,
whilst susanoo attacks are either evaded, outlasted or the susanoo is busted with FRS,

Yes he is dude, Naruto admitted inferiority himself, and that was after training SM as well. Smoke bombs are honestly not doing anything lol, perhaps for several seconds, but he needs to attack eventually. Naruto is not outlasting Susanoo with the amount of time he had in SM during the Pein arc (under 5min). FRS is not busting V3 Susanoo. 3rd Raikage is not more durable then V3 Susanoo. Not to mention Sasuke can slightly offset if with Katon. Even by the off chance that FRS did bust open V3 Susanoo, its definitely not harming Sasuke. And Sasuke simply re-activates it.

Anyways, this is turning into a 1 Vs 1. I made it clear that that's not what this list is about. And fact remains that in terms of deadliness, MS Sasuke trumps Pein Arc SM Naruto.

Nope, he beats Minato, Itachi, Tobirama and Pein mid diff at most, the only one where a case could be made for is Pein, otherwise kabuto beats every one else regardless of the location,
MS Obito is overrated but he is way too low in ur list,
he is sstill in the same tier as Pein itachi and the hokages,
he needs to move up

No he doesn't. White Rage is almost useless in an open area, as is Muki Tensei. His Suiton is low level as is his Jiribo Doton and Kimimaro bones. Not to mention he gets a speed downgrade and requires that his opponents stand and watch as he pulls out all prep for the Sound 4. When he's not in a cave and his opponents are going for the kill, his power is almost cut in half. MS Obito is easily countered. He is nowhere near as deadly as the likes of a Edo/Healthy Itachi and Pein.

hey are strong sure,
but them being 2 tiers above people like Mei, orochimaru, tsunade and hanzo?
not really,

Sure they are. Deidara's bombs are extremely versatile. His Mines, C3 and C4 are all among the deadliest attacks in the manga. He beat Gaara with just one bag, intent to capture and in the desert. Hebi Sasuke only barely beat him, despite having the two perfect counters to him, Raiton and Sharingan. Kakuzu has insane versatility and is a CQC combatent nightmare when he brings out his long range tendrils. Sasori only needs but a scratch to put someone down, and the 3rd Kazekage Iron Sand has amazing AoE. He is also very durable, and when things get tough, he can switch body's with one of his 100 Puppetts, making him one if the hardest characters to kill in the manga. Mei is lackluster physically and her acid is only good in enclosed spaces. The Orochimaru that fought 4-Tailed Naruto has low stamina due to poor health. Tsunade's only two good attributes are strength and regen, she is lackluster in literally everything else. And when strength is not coupled with speed, its not really all that effective. Hanzō only has poison going for him.

 

[KidGamer65]

He is a lot more versatile then all three of them, Rinnegan, Mokuton and EMS Jutsu. If he used these Jutsu to full extent, he is just as deadly as they are.

EMS Jutsu=PS.

Rinnegan and Mokuton=Trash compared to PS. A Madara using Base Hashirama's Mokuton and Rinnegan techniques, all jutsu that he stated are inferior to his Susanoo, doesn't make him as strong as someone who beats Madara's full power.

I disagree.

He can't contend with Perfect Susanoo or the Kurama Avatar.

 

[ARGUS]

Hiruzen not only has slightly better Jutsu then Kakuzu. But he also has Enma who is OP. As well as Shadow Clones which are far more durable then Narutos own.

Where did you get this from?
especially when naruto can create SM/KCM clones etc, who alone have the ability to wreck hiruzen with an FRS

Jiraiya can compete with Mū and Mizukage perhaps because he has a good counter to them (movement sensing barrier), other then that, not really. Ei's V2 destroys Jiraiya. Jinton and invisibility is far more OP and useful in battle then what Jiraiya has, Jokey Boy and the Mist is also too OP.

So is frog call/frog song followed by a SM rasenagan, but ok i can see ur point on that,

Yes he is dude, Naruto admitted inferiority himself,

Not power wise that is a huge misconception,
feats also support naruto more than sasuke

and that was after training SM as well. Smoke bombs are honestly not doing anything lol, perhaps for several seconds,

incorrect, Smoke bombs block the LoS of sasuke, therefore amaterasu are not being spawned,
sasuke using amaterasu on a targe that he cant even see is just going to affect him even more and waste his chakra

but he needs to attack eventually. Naruto is not outlasting Susanoo with the amount of time he had in SM during the Pein arc (under 5min).

FRS says hi, it eradicates all of sasukes susanoo with ease

FRS is not busting V3 Susanoo.

yes it is,
especially when danzos fuuton alone managed to blow a hole in sasukes V3 susanoo
as well as the fact that hirudora from a tired out guy busted V3 susanoo, and FRS has the same amount of power as hirudora, and it being amplified by senjutsu means that V3 gets eradicated,

3rd Raikage is not more durable then V3 Susanoo. [/B]

Feats disagree

Even by the off chance that FRS did bust open V3 Susanoo, its definitely not harming Sasuke. And Sasuke simply re-activates it.

No he wont be doing shit, sasuke would be down on his knees he is not activating V3 seconds after it gets busted open,
Naruto comes in and slams a rasengan on him, or he comes and gang bangs sasuke through his clones and frog katas

Anyways, this is turning into a 1 Vs 1. I made it clear that that's not what this list is about. And fact remains that in terms of deadliness, MS Sasuke trumps Pein Arc SM Naruto.

No he doesnt,
SM naruto is just as powerful and 'deadly'' as MS sasuke,

--his FRS can take care of over half of the people that you have listed on the tier above him, (gaara, onoki and hiruzen stand no chance against it)

--his frog katas and SM sensing give him the upperhand against most of the people in CQC as well, especially when he even managed to outmanoeuvre the third raikage (who u have listed above him)

--add his summons as well as Ma and pa with their sound genjutsus means that he iis comfortably on the same tier as sasuke

--you placing people like hiruzen and danzo a whole tier above SM naruto is a joke

No he doesn't. White Rage is almost useless in an open area

How? it blinds the opponents and can still immobilise them,
it just wont be as effective but no way in hell is it ''useless''

, as is Muki Tensei.

How? he can use it on his surroundings and use them to attack his opponents,

His Suiton is low level

No way in hell are they ''low level'', especially when his suitons managed to bust ribcage susanoo,

as is his Jiribo Doton and Kimimaro bones. Not to mention he gets a speed downgrade and requires that his opponents stand and watch as he pulls out all prep for the Sound 4. When he's not in a cave and his opponents are going for the kill, his power is almost cut in half. MS Obito is easily countered.

Based on?
how does kabuto get a speed downgrade on using those abilities?
his power is not cut in half so please dont bring that BS,

He is nowhere near as deadly as the likes of a Edo/Healthy Itachi and Pein.

he beats majority of the people in his tier rather easily and can give most of the people in the tier above him a close fight,
therefore he moves up,
and Lol he nearly killed EMS Sasuke how in the world is he not deadly,
half the people in his tier cant even counter mugen onsa, ?

edo/healthy itachi stand no chance agianst him, and half of peins arsenal is moot against him as well

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

EMS Jutsu=PS.

Rinnegan and Mokuton=Trash compared to PS. A Madara using Base Hashirama's Mokuton and Rinnegan techniques, all jutsu that he stated are inferior to his Susanoo, doesn't make him as strong as someone who beats Madara's full power.

They are not trash. Just because they do not play a role against Hashirama directly, does not mean they do not make Edo Madara overall a deadlier opponent.

He can't contend with Perfect Susanoo or the Kurama Avatar.

Yeah I guess. I'll change it later.

Where did you get this from?
especially when naruto can create SM/KCM clones etc, who alone have the ability to wreck hiruzen with an FRS

I was referring to regular clones. Though I don't remember SM clones having any durability feats. Hiruzens clones took a spiked punch from Edo Hashirama and did not go poof, even continuing the sealing process. That's more then Narutos regular clones can say, heck, some of his Rikudo clones (granted they had like 1/100 of his power) where destroyed by simply ST and poofed when they where poked holes in them, something Hiruzens clones sustained.

Not power wise that is a huge misconception,
feats also support naruto more than sasuke

Pretty sure Naruto said "If we where to fight, I would loose" or something along those lines. What else would he be talking about anyways? They where talking about fighting and killing Sasuke. Not really.

incorrect, Smoke bombs block the LoS of sasuke, therefore amaterasu are not being spawned,
sasuke using amaterasu on a targe that he cant even see is just going to affect him even more and waste his chakra

Smoke bombs don't last forever, nor do they travel wherever Naruto goes, nor would Naruto know to use smoke bombs without intel on Amaterasu.

FRS says hi

Amaterasu is far more Haxxed then FRS, Susanoo is far more useful and practical then FRS.

yes it is,
especially when danzos fuuton alone managed to blow a hole in sasukes V3 susanoo
as well as the fact that hirudora from a tired out guy busted V3 susanoo, and FRS has the same amount of power as hirudora, and it being amplified by senjutsu means that V3 gets eradicated

,

No its not. Danzos enhanced Fūton merely reverted the back of the Susanoo from V3 to V2. And the attack was not far behind FRS. FRS would at best, destroy another layer of V3 Susanoo and bring it to V1, but even if you convinced me that it could do more, its definitely not hurting Sasuke afterwards. Hirudora >>> FRS. I'd say COFRS is more comparable to Hirudora.

Feats disagree

What feats? Barely Tanking FRS? That's circular reasoning. Besdies that, his only feat is getting cut up by Fūton Casket in base. Even Ribcage Susanoo would be able to tank a Fūton Casket.

No he wont be doing shit, sasuke would be down on his knees he is not activating V3 seconds after it gets busted open,
Naruto comes in and slams a rasengan on him, or he comes and gang bangs sasuke through his clones and frog katas

Nice scenario, but that wouldn't happen. If it did destroy Susanoo, Sasuke would be relatively unscathed, because all the power of the FRS would be used to destroy Susanoo, none would be left to injure Sasuke. But I doubt it would even be capable of destroying Susanoo.

No he doesnt,
SM naruto is just as powerful and 'deadly'' as MS sasuke,

--his FRS can take care of over half of the people that you have listed on the tier above him, (gaara, onoki and hiruzen stand no chance against it)

--his frog katas and SM sensing give him the upperhand against most of the people in CQC as well, especially when he even managed to outmanoeuvre the third raikage (who u have listed above him)

--add his summons as well as Ma and pa with their sound genjutsus means that he iis comfortably on the same tier as sasuke

--you placing people like hiruzen and danzo a whole tier above SM naruto is a joke

Gaara is definitely capable of dealing with FRS (Tanks it with enough sand along with his Sand Armour, Clone feinting, tripping Naruto with sand). Ōnoki is definitely capable of dealing with FRS (Jinton or large Doton Golem to escape AoE). Hiruzen is definitely capable of countering FRS (Clone feinting).

Ask yourself, who are really CQC combatants? Basically every CQC combatent would either never get hit by Frog Katas or can tank them. Logically, no one would charge in against Naruto when they have an ability like Preta's, that was pure PIS.

His summons where a big deal back in Part 1. But now they are nothing more then distractions, certainly not enough to make up for lack of a absolute shield like Susanoo and a almost unavoidable attack like Amaterasu. Ma and Pa are fodder if they are not connected to Naruto, they are very vulnerable targets.

Edo Hiruzen is definitely above Pein Arc SM Naruto. The guy has one of the most deadliest Summons which serves as an amazing offence as well as a amazing defence. He is also a very intelligent fighter and uses Shadow Clones which re superior to Narutos, effectively (Like Naruto did against Kakuzu), as opposed to spamming. He also has mastery over every element, which gives him an edge in something over every opponent. And his AoE of said elements is huge on top of that. Pein Arc SM Naruto has great physical attributes and 2 FRS for under 5min at the cost of his primary weapon (mass clones). Sure, FRS are deadly, but they are counterable. Especially Pein Arcs Naruto, who has to be charging it and standing in one spot before firing it from long range.

How? it blinds the opponents and can still immobilise them,
it just wont be as effective but no way in hell is it ''useless''

Maybe for a couple of seconds, and to a lesser extent, won't be effective enough to make much of an impact on the flow of the battle though.

How? he can use it on his surroundings and use them to attack his opponents,

What are going to be his surroundings in an open area? Scratch that, what are going to be his surroundings anywhere that is not a cave? The ground? Its as simple as jumping.

No way in hell are they ''low level'', especially when his suitons managed to bust ribcage susanoo,

When did this happen?

Based on?
how does kabuto get a speed downgrade on using those abilities?
his power is not cut in half so please dont bring that BS,

Because he is carried a human body attached to his belly, its pretty obvious how that would hinder someone's speed and agility. The main deadliness of Kabuto is ET (Not in question), White Rage (Mainly effective in a cave) and Muki Tensei (mainly effective in a cave). Even Tayuyas Genjutsu and Kimimaro's bones wouldn't be as effective outside of a cave. If its true that he has Suiton tht can bust Ribcage Susanoo though, I will rethink my position, I don't recall such a thing.

he beats majority of the people in his tier rather easily and can give most of the people in the tier above him a close fight,
therefore he moves up,
and Lol he nearly killed EMS Sasuke how in the world is he not deadly,
half the people in his tier cant even counter mugen onsa, ?

He nearly killed a EMS Sasuke that was not going for the kill in a cave . That's the point, in a cave he's definitely up there, but when he's not, he's not.

edo/healthy itachi stand no chance agianst him, and half of peins arsenal is moot against him as well

Sure he does, a Edo/Healthy Itachi that is going for the kill outside of a cave can defeat ET-less Kabuto. Pretty sure everything in Peins arsenal can be of use against Kabuto. [/FONT]

 

[lanakui8]

No its not. Danzos enhanced Fūton merely reverted the back of the Susanoo from V3 to V2. And the attack was not far behind FRS. FRS would at best, destroy another layer of V3 Susanoo and bring it to V1, but even if you convinced me that it could do more, its definitely not hurting Sasuke afterwards. Hirudora >>> FRS. I'd say COFRS is more comparable to Hirudora.

Sasuke's susanoo was clearly blown completely open,

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We see 2 layers of susanoo breached by danzou's fuuton. Even if we didn't have that scan, it makes zero sense for Danzou to run in and attack sasuke if sasuke is protected by ribcage susanoo or up.

Based on what is hirudorah more powerful than a FRS?

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how is hirudorah in anyway above that kind of power?

Finally, based on what is danzou's fuuton not far behind FRS? Feats? Hype?

 

[KidGamer65]

They are not trash. Just because they do not play a role against Hashirama directly, does not mean they do not make Edo Madara overall a deadlier opponent.

Against Hashirama? They don't play a role against anyone on his level, they don't even play a role against the people in the tier below let alone the people in SM Hashirama's tier. PS is his best and strongest technique, thus he gets ranked below people on Hashirama's level, who can match his full power w/o using his own full power.