[Misconception] Having many nature elements or Yin/Yang relaease make you auto OP

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Hello guys, The Databook fourth scans come out one after another so we have a lot of content to work with, especially the translators lol. Anyway going to the point nature/basic elements chart is very hot topic as lot of characters seems to have more then one element as well as having Yin or Yang release so people begin or rather try to wank, hype their favourite to put their favourite character above others. I would like to clear that confusion so let's me do it and bare with me.

Every Jonin should have at least more then two elements :​
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^^ Kakashi already explained to Naruto while his Rasenshuriken training that usually Jonin have at least two elements.

Being skilled with element != mastering use of element/being good with it :​
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^^ Kakashi and Yamato stopped Naruto joy about "being great" stating that they just found out his element. He need to undergo training to gain ability to make full use of your chakra.

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Kakashi was little schocked that Kakuzu could use three elements at first, but the main shock came from fact how good he was at using elemental attacks. Later he found out that Kakuzu can also use four elements and assumed he could do five(but Kakashi raikiired the first heart) and he was confused and scared how someone can use all these natures at such level

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^^ Shikimaru revealed that everyone who had potential to use earth element could create rock wall, but Kitsuchi responded that they will be destroyed just right away, syaing that it is useless. Shikamaru even expressed that it is like fighting quality with quanity, so it still can help.

Yin or Yang release does not make you automatically OP​
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^^ When Naruto asked about Shikamaru shadow manipulation, Chouji body expanasion or even medical ninjutsu or genjutsu Yamato mentioned use of Yin and Yang, but he didn't call them yin or yang release and there is question if it makes difference. Anyway it proof that having Yin or yang release does not make you OP

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^^ Second Mizukage stated even that he is yin element which mean he is genjutsu type. The question is yin element = yin release ?

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^^ It is just high level of use or rather mastery over element which make character so OP

The last argument, I could not find it in databook so please believe me on the world, unless someone can find it that Most of shinobi relay only on one or rearly two fields of shinobi arts of which they are good at and most likely having mastery over them so they fight well. Yes it even includes taleneted shinobi with great potential in many fields of shinobi arts.

Prime example: Kakashi realying on Raiton element(before Kamui) despite having all elements. Madara relaying on Katon although having all elements. Tobirama relaying on Sution despite the fact of having all elements.
Minato relaying on Space Time ninjutsu despite having Three natures + yin and Yang release. Gai despite having nature elements relay on just Taijutsu at which is the best.

Summary:​
  • Having potential/being skilled with elements doesn't mean anything unless character gain ability to make full use of that ability
  • Just having element and even knowing it does not equal having mastery or being good at it's use.
  • Yin and Yang release is nothing OP, unless you master use of it and particulary if you can combine then to use Yin-Yang release(Onmyoudon)
  • Most of the shinobi despite being in various fields of shinobi arts are just relaying on one maximum two fields and try to master it to use it in the battle
  • The databook is mere information about elements in character's possesion, but Kishi left manga to us for us find out how well they are at it and judge if it is usefull to them or not. In case they have do not have feats with it, it should be taken more like if the characters use these elements and master them then they could be OP, which just increase their potential but does not change status of character overall power

Thank you for reading !

Do you agree with this ?
 
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You wasting time
anyone that needs this explained to them is a lost cause
 

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I concur absolutely.

I wouldn't be surprised if some people disagree though
 

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This should be obvious. Multiple natures does not effect jutsu quality unless it's for a bloodline limit.


Off-topic. Does anyone here think that if Aang or Kora went to NV, that their spirits would be broken?
 

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I agree.I don't get it, why is it that hard for people to understand this?
Although there are a few discrepancies regarding yin-yang in the data book. For example,
Naruto has been shown making the perfect use of yin-yang release while creating Kakashi's eyes, in the yin-yang description section in the databook itself......but he doesn't have yin release.
Hashirama doesn't have yin despite showing harbringer of darkness.
Tsunade doesn't have yin despite having yin seal.
Obito doesn't have yang even after having hashi's cells and being juubi jin. But maybe, it doesn't cover the abilities granted by bijuu's. (so does that mean that NAruto knows them not because of the bijuus but because of the RSM given by Hagoromo?).
 

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This should be obvious, people who are calling characters with many nature affinities "OP" are just trolling or wanking.

They have no feats with these affinities, so they don't get a particularly good selection of jutsus to choose from.
 

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It's so damn hilarious. Whoever actually thinks that should stay off the manga for a while.
 

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Not to mention having Yin and Yang Releases doesn't automatically grant you Yin-Yang Release.
 

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Even when this is true sharingan gives you the ability to copy jutsu's based on your elements so kakashi having all 5 means he can copy all basic jutsu (no kkg)
 

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I concur absolutely.

I wouldn't be surprised if some people disagree though

Well yeah, as always.

Anyway thank you ;)

This should be obvious. Multiple natures does not effect jutsu quality unless it's for a bloodline limit.

Off-topic. Does anyone here think that if Aang or Kora went to NV, that their spirits would be broken?

Exactly :)

I agree.I don't get it, why is it that hard for people to understand this?
Although there are a few discrepancies regarding yin-yang in the data book. For example,
Naruto has been shown making the perfect use of yin-yang release while creating Kakashi's eyes, in the yin-yang description section in the databook itself......but he doesn't have yin release.
Hashirama doesn't have yin despite showing harbringer of darkness.
Tsunade doesn't have yin despite having yin seal.
Obito doesn't have yang even after having hashi's cells and being juubi jin. But maybe, it doesn't cover the abilities granted by bijuu's. (so does that mean that NAruto knows them not because of the bijuus but because of the RSM given by Hagoromo?).

Very good post ;), I agree completly

This should be obvious, people who are calling characters with many nature affinities "OP" are just trolling or wanking.

They have no feats with these affinities, so they don't get a particularly good selection of jutsus to choose from.

^^ True

It's so damn hilarious. Whoever actually thinks that should stay off the manga for a while.

Yeah, but you know as always someone does

Not to mention having Yin and Yang Releases doesn't automatically grant you Yin-Yang Release.

^^ another good point kidgamer.

Great thread. Maybe the butthurt can stop now

Let's hope :p

Even when this is true sharingan gives you the ability to copy jutsu's based on your elements so kakashi having all 5 means he can copy all basic jutsu (no kkg)

Well that is good point as well, but copying it does not guarante the technique will has same amount of power or accuracy/efects
 

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Each Ninja has his own affinity! For the second nature element every ninja has to work his/her ass for it!
 

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If that person have perfect mastery over her chakra, she automatically has high level over elemental attacks though
 

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Each Ninja has his own affinity! For the second nature element every ninja has to work his/her ass for it!

No not really, you don't have to work your ass for it. Many of the alliance fodder instantly learned low level earth walls just by learning the hand seals. It's not too difficult to learn an element, in fact it's probably one of the basics on being a ninja. What you work you ass off for is mastery in each.

It's all about the quality though. Hiruzen mastered all elements to a high level degree. Kakashi also has all elements but it doesn't mean he can use all of them to the same degree and therefore finding the likes of wind and fire techniques useless to his arsenal. So why bother. Besides most high level ninja don't rely on elemental jutsu, because they aren't as useful as hidden and secret ninjutsu. They're just those jutsu you have in your arsenal that you'd use on rare occasions or when the situation requires it.
 

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If that person have perfect mastery over her chakra, she automatically has high level over elemental attacks though

False, It only means that person would need short time to learn it and would require a little practive to lead elemental attacks to high level by having all ingredients needed for it, however without special training it would take a lot of time even for that person

No not really, you don't have to work your ass for it. Many of the alliance fodder instantly learned low level earth walls just by learning the hand seals. It's not too difficult to learn an element, in fact it's probably one of the basics on being a ninja. What you work you ass off for is mastery in each.

It's all about the quality though. Hiruzen mastered all elements to a high level degree. Kakashi also has all elements but it doesn't mean he can use all of them to the same degree and therefore finding the likes of wind and fire techniques useless to his arsenal. So why bother. Besides most high level ninja don't rely on elemental jutsu, because they aren't as useful as hidden and secret ninjutsu. They're just those jutsu you have in your arsenal that you'd use on rare occasions or when the situation requires it.

Perfectly explained ;)

I would rep you if I could
 

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Hiruzen mastered all 5 without any KKG or body modifications. Believe in the Hype!!!
 

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No not really, you don't have to work your ass for it. Many of the alliance fodder instantly learned low level earth walls just by learning the hand seals. It's not too difficult to learn an element, in fact it's probably one of the basics on being a ninja. What you work you ass off for is mastery in each.

It's all about the quality though. Hiruzen mastered all elements to a high level degree. Kakashi also has all elements but it doesn't mean he can use all of them to the same degree and therefore finding the likes of wind and fire techniques useless to his arsenal. So why bother. Besides most high level ninja don't rely on elemental jutsu, because they aren't as useful as hidden and secret ninjutsu. They're just those jutsu you have in your arsenal that you'd use on rare occasions or when the situation requires it.

Just making a earth wall of fodder level doesn't mean you have doton affinity! before you debate you better do your study!

Only few handful shinobis has been shown using more then 1 nature elemental jutsus! Kakashi doesn't have fire no does he have wind in manga! It depends who the ninja is!

Hashirama ~ uses mokuton!
Tobirama ~ uses suiton only
Minato never used any elemental jutsu - tho data book states he has more then one
Tsunade never used any elemental jutsu - tho data book states she has more then one

Naruto's affinity is wind while sasuke has lightning along with fire!
 

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Just making a earth wall of fodder level doesn't mean you have doton affinity! before you debate you better do your study!

Only few handful shinobis has been shown using more then 1 nature elemental jutsus! Kakashi doesn't have fire no does he have wind in manga! It depends who the ninja is!

Hashirama ~ uses mokuton!
Tobirama ~ uses suiton only
Minato never used any elemental jutsu - tho data book states he has more then one
Tsunade never used any elemental jutsu - tho data book states she has more then one

Naruto's affinity is wind while sasuke has lightning along with fire!
Do you know the difference between a nature affinity and having an element? I never used the term affinity once, I was careful not to. I didn't say ninja have multiple affinities, you can only have one.

However you can learn other elements, but your natural affinity is something a ninja is born with. That affinity is the easiest element for a ninja to learn. Learning multiple elements too hard. What is hard is gaining mastery in each.
 
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