I won't completely discredit this feat. But it's not all that impressive when you look at the distance. You claim it to be average, but really it's a pathetically small space. And the fact that he managed to move quick enough for a few of the low level Jounin to not say anything is also a pointless comment to make. The level in experience to barely a character Jounin and Orochimaru is massive. But, back to the distance. This is the distance. This is a small gap between them.
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Though, your statement on speed is correct. It's not a deciding factor here, but regardless I think I should cover it a bit more just to allow the judges to accurately see Kakuzu's speed. Kakuzu, even while launching a surprise attack on Shikamaru while in maintaining his control over Hidan, was unable to pull through and hit his opponent [
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]. What also makes this speed feat. more impressive is the fact that those caught off guard are generally on Asuma's level or higher, and not injured. Whereas All of the other shinobi that Kakuzu moved the significantly shorter distance on, weren't nearly as skilled as these. As I have shown the distance between Kakuzu and Asuma the first time around, I'll do the same for Orochimaru and Yamato.
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Orochimaru covered that distance, while Yamato was looking over in the general direction of where Orochimaru is. Yes, he is that fast [
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Firstly in the early goings of the fight Kakuzu was not only able to easily block a surprise Paper-Bomb Kunai however he was easily able to detach his arm and bury it underground all while in the cover of the smoke as so no one could see what had happened
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Something which Shikamaru points out later as well
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a testament to not only his reactions but his mental awareness and preparedness/anticipation in battle. Then of course there is the fact he was able to weave a handsign and activate his domu before an instant surprise attack
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. However there is one not commonly known to many that is rather impressive as you can see when Kakashi struck Kakuzu with the Raikiri (which is such an instant attack you need sharingan to be able to perform it) Kakuzu was still able to activate his domu defense
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Don't try and say it was still active from his last attack because in that same scan you can see that Kakuzu activated a hand-sign to initiate the Domu. However as stated in its DB description
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The hardened body part is not able to move so if it were continued from the same Domu that blocked Chouji's attack his hands would of been in the same position. Also you can clearly she his head position moves from the upper right panel to the bottom middle panel
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anyways thats all the reactions i'll point out for now. Onto the good stuff
I'll give you this, Kakuzu has a sense of awareness or maybe even he's an overly cautious opponent, hiding his hand underground. Though, the tunneling under ground took a rather long time, the hand going under ground on the eleventh page of 332 and only coming up the next chapter on page 4 [
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As for the first bolded point; I have a slight issue with this, Zex. From the scan, we see Choji coming down from the tree, from a perch. Correct? Notice we see a branch as well [
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]. These are large trees. Very large trees. We do not in fact see branches up until we get remarkably high up there. Choji was coming down at Kakuzu from near the middle or about that area from the tree.* Not really too impressive when he can see his opponent from a distance away.
We see in the background that the trees do not have branches up until the middle portions of the trees.
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And here we see a larger view of around Kakuzu. Notice there are still no branches in sight, and Kakuzu stands at six feet tall. Not exactly a shrimp, is he?
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In short; Kakuzu had a considerable distance between him and Choji before the attack came. By no means instant. And with the single hand sign Kakuzu needs to perform Domu, again. Not entirely difficult to pull off. As for the Domu/reaction feat. Eh, I won't contest that. I see no reason to question it, as in the end it doesn't offer any significant advantage to me.
Orochimaru's body replacement may be able to overcome a few of Kakuzu's elemental jutsu's. However Kakuzu most certainly has ways to take him down. Orochimaru's durability may be above par against Physical attacks however when it comes to jutsu he has never really shown that he can tank a high ranking jutsu with his durability alone. In fact he was scared shitless of a 4 tailed Naruto's TBB
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Whereas Kakuzu was able to tank perhaps not an as strong attack however still a Fully Formed Bijuu's attack with practically no damages
Did you just compare a physical blow to a tailed beast bomb? Did you? Oh My God Zex. . So much is wrong. The first being this; One is a concentrated blast that even Orochimaru notes nothing could take [
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Anyways onto the most trouble some technique of Orochimaru's arsenal. His body replacement technique U_U Seeing how there is next to no info on how exactly this technique is able to form a new body from practically nothing its going to be difficult to find a way around it. However its been shown to cost a considerable amount of chakra
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with Oro being near completely drained after using it a measly 3 times.
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Which means if worse comes to worse Kakuzu could always go for simply exhausting Orochimaru of his chakra by repeatedly dealing killing blows
I knew this would appear. Thankfully, I've put thought into this subject before hand. The first thing I would like to point out is that Orochimaru was not in the best state of health [
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It takes a huge amount of chakra to summon one of the three gates, Orochimaru had called three of them to the battle field. No wonder he was near his limit (factoring in his health status). Oral Rebirth isn't a jutsu that will cripple Orochimaru chakra wise from excessive use.
However before opting to go down that route i have a few other ways in which this technique can be negated or avoided. The first is by using Kakuzu's thread's to simply remove his heart before the jutsu can be activated. Killing him immediately not allowing for the new body to be created. Now a way this can be used specially on Orochimaru is as follows; Orochimaru has shown that when he needs to traverse distances faster he takes a snake like form and slithers quickly across the ground
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Creating a giant target for this:
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As you can see by detaching a heart and hand with a clump of threads into the ground discretely of course as to not Alert orochimaru would then unsuspectingly slither over the hand which would in turn restrain Oro with the threads, and as you can see in the bottom panel of that scan the threads can move about as they please meaning that without Kakuzu's main body being actively present they could go in and remove his heart. Which not even Kakashi could react to once the threads were in place
First Bold; Nah. I highly doubt that would do the trick. Considering being slashed in half, while in the air where all of your organs should be falling out, should kill him. It doesn't [
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The second bolded point. What? You're serious now? So, a hand is going to keep up or set an ambush for Orochimaru, be able to move quickly enough and anticipate his every movement, and break out of the ground whilest preventing him from moving? Did I get that right. Well, no. Orochimaru's speed feats, as I had produced earlier, are greater than Kakuzu's. Especially in the slithering snake mode. He's not getting caught by that trick if the Kyuubi was unable to catch Orochimaru in a similar manner [
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] I would like to bring your attention to scan 13, please. We see Orochimaru in the top left panel right away realizing what is happening. In the panel next to his, Naruto's hands hadn't even gone into the earth yet. We see them laying in front of him. If Orochimaru can react to that, he's going to notice the hand missing and get the jist of what is going on.
And, it won't happen quickly either. The hand had gone after a stationary target. And it still took it 12-ish pages to get to. Orochimaru's a quick moving and ever mysterious opponent when fighting. The hand is not predicting where he is, nor is it going to hold him down, and be able to grab hold of him if it does get the opportunity.
Orochimaru's more than capable of ridding himself of the hand with the Kusanagi blade. And, for the third bolded point. Kakashi was already worn out by then. he himself stated it, no wonder he couldn't properly defend himself [
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Also please take into count that having your heart ripped out is an incredibly painful process, so don't merely say he'll be able to still continue on the offensive during the ordeal. As it would be quite hard to concentrate on anything but the searing pain. They were also to penetrate deeply in Kakshi's body in a matter of seconds
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. That is one way for Kakuzu to counter the Jutsu, the other being with the use of his Signature Katon+Fuuton Combo. As everyone is surly aware it has been shown to evaporate water near instantly
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This is achieved due to the medium of the air combining with the fire to exponentially increase the energy the fire produces. Now The human body is said to begin burning at around 120 degrees Fahrenheit which means that this jutsu is going to severely burn Orochimaru AT THE VERY LEAST, as it must be 212 degrees F to even begin to evaporate the water. That is merely simple logic so with the fact that the temperature is already loads ahead of the burning point at least combined with the added medium of the air/oxygen increasing the energy exponentially ( as i said) Its not far off to say that this wouldn't simply resort someone to a crisp in seconds, and i doubt that he'd be able to use his jutsu from a pile of ash. Anyways that's all i shall put for offense in my opener my Defensive, Aces and other offensive strategies shall be included in the forthcoming posts.
First Bold; They're not touching Orochimaru. At least, not in your current scenario. Not to mention. . Orochimaru sure is a man who can't deal with pain. . . [
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] The last scan, completely impaled and he responded cockily. Yes, truly Orochimaru cries and loses focus when injured...
Second Bold; So, the attack that Ino, a worn out Kakashi, Shikamaru, and Choji could avoid will tag Orochimaru [
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The Offensive:
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So, no matter what. He's either losing two hearts and possibly getting his chakra controlled wrecked, or just getting his chakra control wrecked. Regardless of this; Once this happens the danger that Kakuzu possess is minimal at best and Orochimaru can now summon large snakes [
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Any 'flying' heart can be caught off guard with either Orochimaru's fuuton or the levitating and ever extending Kusanagi blade. Where as Orochimaru can handily avoid the multiple assaults from Kakuzu and his remaining masks or use his merging into the ground to get away [
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I apologize for the offensive being rather weak. I was tense and tired as I finished this up.
I won't completely discredit this feat. But it's not all that impressive when you look at the distance. You claim it to be average, but really it's a pathetically small space. And the fact that he managed to move quick enough for a few of the low level Jounin to not say anything is also a pointless comment to make. The level in experience to barely a character Jounin and Orochimaru is massive. But, back to the distance. This is the distance. This is a small gap between them.
As i said this feat merely shows that Kakuzu is able to traverse SMALL Distances quickly So im not saying it was a great feat so i'm not going to say more on this.
Though, your statement on speed is correct. It's not a deciding factor here, but regardless I think I should cover it a bit more just to allow the judges to accurately see Kakuzu's speed. Kakuzu, even while launching a surprise attack on Shikamaru while in maintaining his control over Hidan, was unable to pull through and hit his opponent [
How did i know this was going to be brought up, however you must realize this feat is not a true feat of speed by Kakuzu. Merely look at the damage caused by the punch.
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Clearly he had Domu activated while he was delivering the blow. Now, common logic dictates that someone is not going to be as fast while a fist/arm is hardened into diamond. Another reason is because Kakuzu is not the type of Shinobi to rush into battle full speed without knowing the opponents abilities, Demonstrated when he stoped Immediately when Asuma appeared
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I mean he's already shown to catch someone much faster and much more skilled with evasion
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I don't mean to say Kakuzu is slow, but don't expect to say he's going to be able to match Orochimaru's own quick movements too often. For, Orochimaru has a feat similar to Kakuzu's but all the greater. While on the bridge, Orochimaru managed to take Yamato, Sai, Sakura, and Naruto by surprise by his appearing Quick enough that Yamato didn't even make notice of him, until he had drawn the kunai fully out. That is a massive distance to cross and not be spotted until that point[
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]. What also makes this speed feat. more impressive is the fact that those caught off guard are generally on Asuma's level or higher, and not injured. Whereas All of the other shinobi that Kakuzu moved the significantly shorter distance on, weren't nearly as skilled as these. As I have shown the distance between Kakuzu and Asuma the first time around, I'll do the same for Orochimaru and Yamato.
Well yeah, This instance has all the shinobi that were caught off guard had no idea of Orochimaru's Presence it may be a greater distance however Kakuzu was able to disappear from an attentive shinobi and appear in an instant while catching them off guard. I mean Kakuzu was also able to travel a considerable distance with his Shunsin
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That could even be what Oro Did as well >.< But eh, it was an off panel feat my man. No clue how he was able to encompass that distance
Length of the Bridge, or one half of it.
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The Length of the other half of the bridge from the center.
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Orochimaru covered that distance, while Yamato was looking over in the general direction of where Orochimaru is. Yes, he is that fast [
Yet couldn't even out maneuver a slow 4 Tails Naruto? Eh i've said all that was needed about this feat however, up to the judges.
I'll give you this, Kakuzu has a sense of awareness or maybe even he's an overly cautious opponent, hiding his hand underground. Though, the tunneling under ground took a rather long time, the hand going under ground on the eleventh page of 332 and only coming up the next chapter on page 4 [
Well why would he have the hand pop up at all? He had no need he wasn't trapped yet. Clearly from the analysis of Shikamaru's powers from their last encounter he was going to use the hand to attack Shikamaru had he been caught normally, however instead he needed to use it to remove the Shurikan, so there really is no proof that it burries fast or slow. In fact it took almost no time for him to burry it and then remove any trace of the burial
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So i highly doubt it digs that slow.
As for the first bolded point; I have a slight issue with this, Zex. From the scan, we see Choji coming down from the tree, from a perch. Correct? Notice we see a branch as well [
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]. These are large trees. Very large trees. We do not in fact see branches up until we get remarkably high up there. Choji was coming down at Kakuzu from near the middle or about that area from the tree.* Not really too impressive when he can see his opponent from a distance away.
We see in the background that the trees do not have branches up until the middle portions of the trees.
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And here we see a larger view of around Kakuzu. Notice there are still no branches in sight, and Kakuzu stands at six feet tall. Not exactly a shrimp, is he?
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In short; Kakuzu had a considerable distance between him and Choji before the attack came. By no means instant. And with the single hand sign Kakuzu needs to perform Domu, again. Not entirely difficult to pull off. As for the Domu/reaction feat. Eh, I won't contest that. I see no reason to question it, as in the end it doesn't offer any significant advantage to me.
All that is pointless my man lol, we can clearly see he doesn't notice Chouji until right above
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Hence the exclamation mark and his hands are clearly still at his sides. Yeah so he reacted pretty damn quick my man.
Did you just compare a physical blow to a tailed beast bomb? Did you? Oh My God Zex. . So much is wrong. The first being this; One is a concentrated blast that even Orochimaru notes nothing could take [
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Nah my man, i clearly meant the fire ball from the Tailed Beast >.> Which Kakuzu clearly had to tank as well? As it blew up the entire building that Kakuzu was in
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However im not saying that they of equal strength just that Kakuzu easily tanked a Bijuu attack.
I knew this would appear. Thankfully, I've put thought into this subject before hand. The first thing I would like to point out is that Orochimaru was not in the best state of health [
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That was about age my man? Orochimaru's Forbidden Jutsu is supposed to PREVENT that from happening
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I understand that he was near the end of his cycle however its still rather pathetic, he hadn't really used that many jutsu before he became exhausted and i really don't think it was due to those Rashamon. I mean for starters Sakon/Ukon were able to summon one without much problems, i mean Orochimaru was the one who basically gave them their chakra through the curse-mark as well.The second reason i doubt this was because Oro was able to summon Manda a high if not the HIGHEST level summon there is without almost any noticeable exhaustion
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So yeah, Also it costed Sasuke enough chakra to force him to ration the jutsu to only being used for the Amertarasu
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It takes a huge amount of chakra to summon one of the three gates, Orochimaru had called three of them to the battle field. No wonder he was near his limit (factoring in his health status). Oral Rebirth isn't a jutsu that will cripple Orochimaru chakra wise from excessive use.
Most likely just a statement to hype up Orochimaru, However up to the judges i suppose.
First Bold; Nah. I highly doubt that would do the trick. Considering being slashed in half, while in the air where all of your organs should be falling out, should kill him. It doesn't [
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Nah man obviously he was able to re-attatch the body in mid-air because his real body was not harmed,
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The humanoid form we see is merely the outer coating of the Snake Like Sannin, So it makes sense that he can re-attach it when its harmed. Kakuzu threads however would penetrate deep within the real body of Orochimaru Especially if he sends this many
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Although not that it matters i doubt the outer coating has its own heart, so he'd always be penetrating the "White Snake" Body anyways.
There is no lump because the cells travel through his body and then cultivate in the mouth area where the new body is then formed? lol if my theory is correct that is how it would be done. I see no reason why he would retract the neck? The time it takes for the cells and tissue to travel through the long neck is most likely around the same it would take to retract it in the state he was in. Regardless they both take the same amount of effort and time.
The second bolded point. What? You're serious now? So, a hand is going to keep up or set an ambush for Orochimaru, be able to move quickly enough and anticipate his every movement, and break out of the ground whilest preventing him from moving? Did I get that right. Well, no. Orochimaru's speed feats, as I had produced earlier, are greater than Kakuzu's. Especially in the slithering snake mode. He's not getting caught by that trick if the Kyuubi was unable to catch Orochimaru in a similar manner [
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] I would like to bring your attention to scan 13, please. We see Orochimaru in the top left panel right away realizing what is happening. In the panel next to his, Naruto's hands hadn't even gone into the earth yet. We see them laying in front of him. If Orochimaru can react to that, he's going to notice the hand missing and get the jist of what is going on.
Wow >.< First off, Naruto clearly had his hands stuck underground which allowed Oro to react to them, Second i never said the underground hand was going to follow him around. I said its going to remain near Kakuzu for When Oro tries to speed up and strike him, he will then be caught by the hand which was quick enough to react to Hidan's swing of a scythe
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Also realize i said the threads would ensnare him Similar to this
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Then Kakuzu would swiftly finish him off by removing the heart.
And, it won't happen quickly either. The hand had gone after a stationary target. And it still took it 12-ish pages to get to. Orochimaru's a quick moving and ever mysterious opponent when fighting. The hand is not predicting where he is, nor is it going to hold him down, and be able to grab hold of him if it does get the opportunity.
You realize Kakuzu still has control over the hand and its motions after it is detached right? Its merely a heart not a brain my man, and Kakuzu is fully capable of following Orochimaru's movements. Second the hand had no target, as i said earlier it was merely placed underground for precautionary reasons. I don't see why it wouldn't be able to hold him down. The threads have been shown to be extremely durable not even chouji was able to break loose
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And im pretty sure his strength > Most characters in the series. Only thing thats ever been shown to do anything to them is Raiton.
Orochimaru's more than capable of ridding himself of the hand with the Kusanagi blade. And, for the third bolded point. Kakashi was already worn out by then. he himself stated it, no wonder he couldn't properly defend himself [
With the kusunagi blade how? He can't move his hands when they are wrapped in threads? Nor can he move his mouth to apply any force to the blade when the hand is grasping his throat
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First Bold; They're not touching Orochimaru. At least, not in your current scenario. Not to mention. . Orochimaru sure is a man who can't deal with pain. . . [
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] The last scan, completely impaled and he responded cockily. Yes, truly Orochimaru cries and loses focus when injured...
His outer shell was completely impaled along with all those other injuries, however when it comes to his true body
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Do i really need to get all the other scans of him crying and moaning over his arms >.< Although he does get credit for being able to mask the pain well and fighting, However thats just a burning sensation in the arms, imagine the threads piercing into your body >.< Although like i said before Oro has not really shown much jutsu that can stop this from happening while he's restrained my man.
Second Bold; So, the attack that Ino, a worn out Kakashi, Shikamaru, and Choji could avoid will tag Orochimaru [
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Wow buddy :| Didn't think you would be that oblivious to Kakuzu's fight >.< That's clearly his normal Katon. Which was launched a good 20 meters away
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and its not a jutsu known for its speed, it has other characteristics that may come in use for defense as a matter of fact. The jutsu that towers over those same tree's that you were praising for their height is the one i was talking about
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Notice how it didn't even hit its full stride width wise as it was interrupted by the Suiton
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The Offensive:
First off, Orochimaru knows of the Masks and of their elemental capabilities. Rather than sit around and allow for Kakuzu to bring them out (When pressured), he will go on the offensive. First, the Kusanagi blade will be brought forth followed by the Shadow Clone Jutsu being used [
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See there is your problem already, Kakuzu doesn't even need to bring out the masks in individual form to deal with this, for you see you forgot a quite obvious way for Kakuzu to deal with this pathetic endeavor. He can still use his jutsu with his hearts inside his body
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Nothing suggests he can't utilize this right off the bat, Right away this would annihilate both of them, in fact if Kakuzu uses the Raiton heart in this manner he could finish the battle quickly
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As you can see here and with the Data Book Page
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It states that it is incredibly difficult to dodge as its a flying lightning bolt. Something becomes even MORE difficult for a charging opponent. Pressuring Kakuzu in CQC right off the bat my man? Not your'e greatest idea. Even if he couldn't use the hearts he could still utilize the threads that were able to catch three people off guard including a sharingan user
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Forcing him to either use Domu or quickly bring out an elemental Mask to defend himself. If the first option is chosen, Orochimaru will tag him with the five pronged seal [
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So, no matter what. He's either losing two hearts and possibly getting his chakra controlled wrecked, or just getting his chakra control wrecked. Regardless of this; Once this happens the danger that Kakuzu possess is minimal at best and Orochimaru can now summon large snakes [
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Those large snakes were stoped By KOPart One Naruto
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:| Any one of Kakuzu's jutsu's if not a punch from a Domu Fist Would end them and like i proved above your pathetic strategy failed. So he's still at full strength
Any 'flying' heart can be caught off guard with either Orochimaru's fuuton or the levitating and ever extending Kusanagi blade. Where as Orochimaru can handily avoid the multiple assaults from Kakuzu and his remaining masks or use his merging into the ground to get away [
Did you just suggest he fire a fuuton at Kakuzu's hearts? How pitiful
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Kakuzu's Katon clearly originates in the form of a fireball, which then erupts when it comes into contact with something. So all it need to do is fire at the huge gust of wind that basically takes up the whole area, and it will then all become a huge fire explosion right back in Oro's face. Destroying him. As for the blade, has he ever been able to send it at such large distances before? If I recall its all short range and CQC levitating. However not that it matters Oro clearly needs to focus to make it levitate
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Which means which ever heart it goes after, the other are free to attack him and break his focus.
I apologize for the offensive being rather weak. I was tense and tired as I finished this up.
An optional song, much better than the tune you had me listen to... Now, onto more pressing matters.
How did i know this was going to be brought up, however you must realize this feat is not a true feat of speed by Kakuzu. Merely look at the damage caused by the punch.
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Clearly he had Domu activated while he was delivering the blow. Now, common logic dictates that someone is not going to be as fast while a fist/arm is hardened into diamond. Another reason is because Kakuzu is not the type of Shinobi to rush into battle full speed without knowing the opponents abilities, Demonstrated when he stoped Immediately when Asuma appeared
Let's begin here, shall we? With the first bolded point, I think I should remind you the entire arm isn't hardened. No, only the skin.
Domu Changes Merely the Skin.
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That alone shouldn't cause Kakuzu to lose a remarkable amount of his speed. Not to mention that if hardening his skin to that extent dragged him down that much, I'd greatly question his strength. But, he's already thrown Kakashi back with a kick [
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For such a cautious shinobi, you would think he would stop his assault on Shikamaru after the initial attack. Instead, he chases after him and only stops after reinforcements arrive. He had every intent of attacking and keep going forward, to finish Shikamaru off. Why on Earth would he not go at an appropriate pace to kill Shikamaru quickly? He doesn't seem like the type to waste time. The fact remains that Asuma managed to reach Shikamaru before Kakuzu, while Kakuzu was already moving to attack and dispatch him
Kakuzu stops only after Asuma arrives.
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One perspective of Asuma and Shikamaru.
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The distance from the ground.
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In summary; Kakuzu came at Shikamaru with the intent to kill him. Domu would not add any physical burden to Kakuzu, so it should not serve as an excuse as to why he didn't catch up to Shikamaru immediately. Not to mention Asuma was even able to intercept the two from several yards away and while initially being still. Kakuzu's not the quickest. Especially not nearly as fast as Orochimaru, if these feats speak for anything.
mean he's already shown to catch someone much faster and much more skilled with evasion
While they may not have been suspecting of Orochimaru's presence, to say they were not alert is a bit ridiculous. They were prepared for a battle to break out as a very possible scenario [
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Yet couldn't even out maneuver a slow 4 Tails Naruto? Eh i've said all that was needed about this feat however, up to the judges.
While this technically isn't the forth tailed Kyuubi, it's still impressive for him to avoid the attack while in the air [
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Well why would he have the hand pop up at all? He had no need he wasn't trapped yet. Clearly from the analysis of Shikamaru's powers from their last encounter he was going to use the hand to attack Shikamaru had he been caught normally, however instead he needed to use it to remove the Shurikan, so there really is no proof that it burries fast or slow. In fact it took almost no time for him to burry it and then remove any trace of the burial
Zex, after a few chapters from hiding his hand he states he is caught [
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While the Kyuubi's hands might have moved underground, the act of doing so kicked up dust which would of obscured part of Orochimaru's view [
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All that is pointless my man lol, we can clearly see he doesn't notice Chouji until right above
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Hence the exclamation mark and his hands are clearly still at his sides. Yeah so he reacted pretty damn quick my man.
Which the entire point of a reaction feat is lack luster. Choji was high up in the tree, Kakuzu needs to bring his hands together and clap them to secure his safety. He's not doing anything impressive nor is Choji literally right on top of him from the get go.
Nah my man, i clearly meant the fire ball from the Tailed Beast >.> Which Kakuzu clearly had to tank as well? As it blew up the entire building that Kakuzu was in
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However im not saying that they of equal strength just that Kakuzu easily tanked a Bijuu attack.
Still not on the same level of the Kyuubi's attack Zex [
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That was about age my man? Orochimaru's Forbidden Jutsu is supposed to PREVENT that from happening
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I understand that he was near the end of his cycle however its still rather pathetic, he hadn't really used that many jutsu before he became exhausted and i really don't think it was due to those Rashamon. I mean for starters Sakon/Ukon were able to summon one without much problems, i mean Orochimaru was the one who basically gave them their chakra through the curse-mark as well.The second reason i doubt this was because Oro was able to summon Manda a high if not the HIGHEST level summon there is without almost any noticeable exhaustion
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So yeah, Also it costed Sasuke enough chakra to force him to ration the jutsu to only being used for the Amertarasu
Only together while utilizing Senjutsu chakra could they summon a single gate [
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Most likely just a statement to hype up Orochimaru, However up to the judges i suppose.
And, what makes this hype as opposed to anything that is written on Kakuzu...? It's saying simply that Orochimaru has massive and monster chakra levels. I mean, even Kisame eludes to this fact [
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Nah man obviously he was able to re-attatch the body in mid-air because his real body was not harmed,
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The humanoid form we see is merely the outer coating of the Snake Like Sannin, So it makes sense that he can re-attach it when its harmed. Kakuzu threads however would penetrate deep within the real body of Orochimaru Especially if he sends this many
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Although not that it matters i doubt the outer coating has its own heart, so he'd always be penetrating the "White Snake" Body anyways.
There is no lump because the cells travel through his body and then cultivate in the mouth area where the new body is then formed? lol if my theory is correct that is how it would be done. I see no reason why he would retract the neck? The time it takes for the cells and tissue to travel through the long neck is most likely around the same it would take to retract it in the state he was in. Regardless they both take the same amount of effort and time.
Zex, the two bodies are essentially one up until the time when Orochimaru can move on once more. There's a reason why Orochimaru doesn't hop around all the time. He is bonded to the body. Hell, even his heart beat is heard by Tsunade [
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So, how exactly will Orochimaru get caught by Kakuzu again? He tries to attack him with your former strategy of the hidden hand? That's not working, ever. Orochimaru quite easily escapes the threads by sinking into the earth [
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Your theory is a bit. . Baseless? No, without evidence. We're not sure on the inner workings of the jutsu. It doesn't make much sense for Orochimaru to keep his neck extended for so long with the intent of rebirthing himself. It makes his neck vulnerable and, I am still not convinced by your theory. The process seems far too. . Slow? Slow would be right. Not to mention it would still be significantly longer then usual methods. But, back to the former. . . I don't see Orochimaru exposing such a weakness when several enemies are still around.
Wow >.< First off, Naruto clearly had his hands stuck underground which allowed Oro to react to them, Second i never said the underground hand was going to follow him around. I said its going to remain near Kakuzu for When Oro tries to speed up and strike him, he will then be caught by the hand which was quick enough to react to Hidan's swing of a scythe
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Also realize i said the threads would ensnare him Similar to this
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Then Kakuzu would swiftly finish him off by removing the heart.
I covered most of this earlier. But, it didn't react to Hidan? It had nothing to do with Hidan. That is just when Kakuzu managed to grab Asuma's special knife. So, no clue what you thought was going on. Kakuzu won't be getting a grip on him. Orochimaru can shed his skin infinitely quicker than Kakuzu can ensnare, and then rip out his heart. Like. . . The difference in speed is noteworthy. The creation of new vessels is a bit quicker than you might think. But, this is something else I have posted countless scans on. I am sure by now you might of realized this.
You realize Kakuzu still has control over the hand and its motions after it is detached right? Its merely a heart not a brain my man, and Kakuzu is fully capable of following Orochimaru's movements. Second the hand had no target, as i said earlier it was merely placed underground for precautionary reasons. I don't see why it wouldn't be able to hold him down. The threads have been shown to be extremely durable not even chouji was able to break loose
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And im pretty sure his strength > Most characters in the series. Only thing thats ever been shown to do anything to them is Raiton.
I believe I have covered some of this before. Kakuzu has a clear target three or so pages after he had hidden his hand. It still took quite the time for Kakuzu's heart and hand to reach Asuma's weapon and remove it from where it was. I didn't say Kakuzu wasn't. I am doubting a hand underground can, though. To say it is going to be keeping up with Orochimaru is an insult, really. Your strategy is just going to hinder Kakuzu here. He hides a hand underground and can no longer use a full bodied Domu. To do that, he needs to clap his hands together [
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With the kusunagi blade how? He can't move his hands when they are wrapped in threads? Nor can he move his mouth to apply any force to the blade when the hand is grasping his throat
Uh, so in your fantasy scenario Orochimaru's completely trapped by Kakuzu in every way shape and form? Defenseless. Rightttt. Okay. Oral Rebirth would first of all get him out of that situation. But, I won't rely on that. No. The Kusanagi blade can and will cut open and through the threads and pierce the heart. If Orochimaru sees threads coming out from under the ground or for some reason; Is unable to do anything to Kakuzu himself. Orochimaru can stretch out and extend neck to free up the Kusanagi blade and proceed to free himself. Either with the telekentic powers he and the Kusanagi have, or with straight up slashes and cutting.
He also possess the shadow clone jutsu. So yeah. Having the copy free Orochimaru with the Kusanagi or control the actual on (As it can be cloned along with Orochimaru,) to free him. This is all playing into your fantasy, of course. Orochimaru's not going to succumb to this sort of attack.
His outer shell was completely impaled along with all those other injuries, however when it comes to his true body
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Do i really need to get all the other scans of him crying and moaning over his arms >.< Although he does get credit for being able to mask the pain well and fighting, However thats just a burning sensation in the arms, imagine the threads piercing into your body >.< Although like i said before Oro has not really shown much jutsu that can stop this from happening while he's restrained my man.
More of this 'Outer Shell' bit. No, the Yamata No Orochi technique is an actual transformation . The Hydra's heads being chopped off? Orochimaru. That is his body. No shell. And yes, getting part of his soul ripped out is painful. . . Who knew? Orochimaru has laughed and grinned at physical pain in the past. His tolerance will allow him to do the same at any threads that bury into his skin.
Yamata No Orochi: Transformation Proof.
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Wow buddy :| Didn't think you would be that oblivious to Kakuzu's fight >.< That's clearly his normal Katon. Which was launched a good 20 meters away
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and its not a jutsu known for its speed, it has other characteristics that may come in use for defense as a matter of fact. The jutsu that towers over those same tree's that you were praising for their height is the one i was talking about
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Notice how it didn't even hit its full stride width wise as it was interrupted by the Suiton
It was late when I replied, there are bound to be some errors. Alright. I'll give you that it's big, but I don't see it doing much here against Orochimaru. He's still able to escape handily by sinking into the earth or using the teleportation jutsu that he and Kabuto had displayed can be used with surprising speed [
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See there is your problem already, Kakuzu doesn't even need to bring out the masks in individual form to deal with this, for you see you forgot a quite obvious way for Kakuzu to deal with this pathetic endeavor. He can still use his jutsu with his hearts inside his body
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Nothing suggests he can't utilize this right off the bat, Right away this would annihilate both of them, in fact if Kakuzu uses the Raiton heart in this manner he could finish the battle quickly
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As you can see here and with the Data Book Page
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It states that it is incredibly difficult to dodge as its a flying lightning bolt. Something becomes even MORE difficult for a charging opponent. Pressuring Kakuzu in CQC right off the bat my man? Not your'e greatest idea. Even if he couldn't use the hearts he could still utilize the threads that were able to catch three people off guard including a sharingan user
Yolobito warned me of this. Zexion's dreaded "Gian GG" strategy. So, Kakuzu, the Kakuzu you early told me was a cautious shinobi, is going to reveal two or more of his jutsu so casually to an opponent near the beginning? Except for the fact that, if he were to, he would have to begin to shift his body once Orochimaru gets close. Giving the Sannin a warning as to what is happening, and with information on the elements and masks, Orochimaru's not going to run in if his opponent reveals these techniques.
Gian is not finishing off Orochimaru, that is a joke. Kakuzu can't manipulate them once the attacks are fired off, nor is it incredibly difficult to intercept or avoid them. Kakashi was able to do so after facing Kakuzu's fuuton, he was able to drop down in front of both Choji and Shikamaru and stop the attack before it reached them. But, let me go into greater detail here.
First off, let's see the battlefield again, hm?
This is how far Shikamaru and Choji were prior to the Fuuton.
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Kakashi's view of everything after being kicked back.
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Next, we see from there that Hidan is forcing Kakashi back, away from Shikamaru and Choji right before the Fuuton hits [
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Gian is not catching Orochimaru off guard nor will it kill him. I won't bother addressing the last bit, as that's a joke if you think it will kill him. But, yes. Bringing out or the use of Jutsu will alert Orochimaru to some happening. He won't continue to rush forward if he sees a mask come out, which he knows houses one of four elemental powers. And if Kakashi was able to cross such a distance and still counteract Gian, Orochimaru at the least can avoid it on his feet.
As for the cominbation attack. Orochimaru and his clone aren't going to stick around for that. With one mask coming out, Orochimaru would change his attack pattern and strategy (Which I will get to, eventually). With two? Both merge into the ground or use the teleportation jutsu to escape to a safe distance.
Look above my man.
Those large snakes were stoped By KOPart One Naruto
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:| Any one of Kakuzu's jutsu's if not a punch from a Domu Fist Would end them and like i proved above your pathetic strategy failed. So he's still at full strength
A punch from Domu? Yeah. An elemental attack? Maybe.. Naruto's strength, first off, was massive with the Kyuubi's influence. Not to mention I did not say the Snakes would be there to single handily defeat Kakuzu. They are being used to distract and offer assistance to Orochimaru, take away any fire being directed at him from other Masks.
Love how cocky you got, Mister Gian Ends it. Perhaps I should continue on, on how your strategy is flawless. With Orochimaru being helpless before Kakuzu and his threads, Gian reaches and impales his brain, head, and every organ he has. No, Zex. My strategy is a bit more flexible then this. Because Kakuzu may cause issues and delay it, doesn't mean he nor you end it.
Did you just suggest he fire a fuuton at Kakuzu's hearts? How pitiful
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Kakuzu's Katon clearly originates in the form of a fireball, which then erupts when it comes into contact with something. So all it need to do is fire at the huge gust of wind that basically takes up the whole area, and it will then all become a huge fire explosion right back in Oro's face. Destroying him. As for the blade, has he ever been able to send it at such large distances before? If I recall its all short range and CQC levitating. However not that it matters Oro clearly needs to focus to make it levitate
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Which means which ever heart it goes after, the other are free to attack him and break his focus.
Yes, a fuuton. I was hoping you would realize that this was aimed more at Gian, as Fuuton is naturally superior to Raiton. This would counter balance the technique. But, you didn't. Anyways; Orochimaru's fuuton is rather massive in and of itself, capable of blowing the huge trees in the forest of death out enough to see their roots [
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As for the Kusanagi, he's only needed to use it once in a close ranged scenario. Not exactly fair to say it's stuck to such lengths. Also, shadow clones. They are more then capable of manipulating the sword leaving the main body able to do what it pleases. Not to mention, Orochimaru's concentration and focus was on keeping his soul primarily. Not on the sword, if anything it doesn't draw the most focus to use.
Now, what is your excuse? I'll expand on the battle a bit more now.
If Kakuzu decides to start off offensively and bring out a Mask or two, this does indeed make things harder for Orochimaru. Not to the extent where he is forced on the defensive. But more of a challenge. I'll offer a more refined scenario.
Orochimaru's Offensive
Orochimaru's first action is simple, lay a trap. The Shadow Clone he had summoned now retreats back into the ground, taking the Kusanagi with it. To make a cover for that, however. Orochimaru will make use of the summoning technique, as to offer a form of cover. The natural dust that comes with summoning animals only larger with the bigger the creature and the more. With these Snakes summoned, Kakuzu is without a doubt going to be focused more on Orochimaru [
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Once done, The Shadow Clone will withdraw back into the earth along with the blade. Waiting for the next chance to strike. With one mask down, Kakuzu's fire power is greatly diminished. If it's the Katon Mask, he loses his most dangerous technique (And combination). If it's the Fuuton, the Katon mask is reduced to a short ranged defensive mask. If it's the Raiton, then his offensive powers have been crippled.
Regardless of the outcome, Orochimaru's now got a wider window to attack. Which he will do with his surviving Snake once the mask is targetted. Regardless of whether there are more on the playing field. That is exactly what Orochimaru would target first. Any remaining masks out as Kakuzu scrambles to see what is behind him and attacking him. Any of the Masks can fall prey to Orochimaru's snake binding jutsu [
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By the time that this entire scene is over. Orochimaru has dispatched two masks. So, either way Kakuzu has lost his most dangerous jutsu (The combination Jutsu) and possibly Gian. But the fact remains Orochimaru's now open to attack Kakuzu directly.
He can once more make a straight charge at Kakuzu, none of his individual jutsu going to make a difference. And, with Kakuzu's hand hidden in the earth as you insist, Domu's activation won't be complete. As Orochimaru charges from the front, the Shadow Clone will reemerge from behind. Both intend on hitting Kakuzu with the Five Pronged seal that will disturb his chakra control.
This will injure his manifestation of external threads, the remaining elemental attacks he may plan to use, and leave him a sitting duck for Orochimaru to finish him off with the Kusanagi blade. Stabbing him in the heart.
He'll still technically have two lives left, by my count. But it's game over at this point in time. Kakuzu is left with Domu and one elemental Jutsu not capable of killing Orochimaru, while his chakra control is ruined.
