[Discussion] Will Ussop really remain the weakest strawhats?

[Bogard]

I heard Oda said it, but it doesn't make sense when

1- Yasopp(his father sharp-shoter) seems to be one of Shanks best men and Ussop should surpass him
2- Ben Beckman(Shanks' first mate) is a sniper and Ussop should be the best sniper
3- Van Augur seems to be one of Blackbeard's best men. He was even fast enough to dodge Ace's attacks(the only one of the group) preskip and capable to snipe birds kilometers away
4- He had better durability feat than Nami or even Robin preskip(i heard Oda wanted that because he wanted Ussop to be the most human among the group, but...)
5- He is the first outside monster trio to unlock Haki in the Strawhat crew, so he gets most development so far

It's hard to believe he will remain the weakest

 

[Flakez]

Nami and Robin are weaker than him.

 

[NarutoBmx33]

He will be yhe strongest support character. He's a coward when someones in his face but when hes far away, he becomes a sniper king!

 

[Punk Hazard]

Except Usopp doesn't care about being the best sniper. In fact, the only one in the Strawhat crew right now with the goal of "strongest" is Zoro, so it's not like it's some kind of Strawhat trait.

Durability isn't all that matters. He is more durable than Robin and Nami, but he doesn't have their tactical wit, or perhaps he lacks their speed, he lacks their reaction time, etc.

 

[Ryuma720]

Nah the weakest should be Nami or Brook

 

[Bogard]

Except Usopp doesn't care about being the best sniper. In fact, the only one in the Strawhat crew right now with the goal of "strongest" is Zoro, so it's not like it's some kind of Strawhat trait.

Actually Luffy's goal is greater than Zoro's. To accomplish that, you need to be the strongest pirate. It's not for nothing the closest to the one piece was the world strongest man(Whitebeard). Enies Lobby Luffy even said he needed to be stronger than anyone, so no it's already part of his goal, just like being the best sniper is actually Usopp's implied goal eventhough it's not verbally mentioned. His development is all around that

 

[Punk Hazard]

Nah the weakest should be Nami or Brook

Oda disagrees.

Also, Bogard, how do you know Usopp can't surpass them, and still be the weakest in the crew? If the Strawhats do surpass those people, it's not like they have be slightly above, they can blow Yasopp out of the water

 

[Punk Hazard]

Actually Luffy's goal is greater than Zoro's. To accomplish that, you need to be the strongest pirate. It's not for nothing the closest to the one piece was the world strongest man(Whitebeard). Enies Lobby Luffy even said he needed to be stronger than anyone, so no it's already part of his goal, just like being the best sniper is actually Usopp's implied goal eventhough it's not verbally mentioned. His development is all around that

Nope. You don't need to be the strongest pirate to find One Piece. Luffy doesn't care if there are people stronger than him, as long he's strong enough to protect his friends. When I said Zoro is the only one with the goal of strongest, I didn't mean he has the greatest goal, I meant he's the only one in the crew with the goal of being the best, being the strongest at something. Luffy isn't aiming to be the strongest, he's aiming to be the Pirate King, and Luffy has already said the title of Pirate King, to him, means the one with the most freedom, not the strongest.

 

[Bogard]

Oda disagrees.

Also, Bogard, how do you know Usopp can't surpass them, and still be the weakest in the crew? If the Strawhats do surpass those people, it's not like they have be slightly above, they can blow Yasopp out of the water

Because parallel portrayal. If those guys are among the strongest in their respective crews, Usopp should as well. Besides, considering they would have to fight Blackbeard crew sooner or later, it will come down to the point where Usopp will have to surpass Van Augur in combat and he is one of Blackbeard's best men, so puting him above some other strawhats who will likely fight weaker opponents

 

[Punk Hazard]

Because parallel portrayal. If those guys are among the strongest in their respective crews, Usopp should as well. Besides, considering they would have to fight Blackbeard crew sooner or later, it will come down to the point where Usopp will have to surpass Van Augur in combat and he is one of Blackbeard's best men, so puting him above some other strawhats who will likely fight weaker opponents

So Oda has to abide by the parallel you made up? Yeah okay bud.

Nothing says that Usopp can't surpass Van Auger and still be the weakest. How do you know Van Auger isn't the weakest of the Blackbeard Pirates? You are making too many assumptions that aren't established devices in One Piece. Usopp vs Van Auger isn't even guaranteed. Just because he uses guns? Look at Film Z, who did the enemy gun-slinger fight? Zoro. Who did Usopp fight? The crowds of fodder, as his place. While it's non-canon, Oda did write it, showing that Oda doesn't feel the need to have the gunslinger fight Usopp, so there's no guarantee Van Auger will be Usopp's match-up.

 

[Bogard]

Nope. You don't need to be the strongest pirate to find One Piece. Luffy doesn't care if there are people stronger than him, as long he's strong enough to protect his friends. When I said Zoro is the only one with the goal of strongest, I didn't mean he has the greatest goal, I meant he's the only one in the crew with the goal of being the best, being the strongest at something. Luffy isn't aiming to be the strongest, he's aiming to be the Pirate King, and Luffy has already said the title of Pirate King, to him, means the one with the most freedom, not the strongest.

And like i've said to become the pirate King, he has to be the strongest pirate. You're totally not understanding Luffy's character if you think he doesn't want to be the strongest/not battle oriented. It's not for nothing he attacked Zoro only to know who was stronger in WP, attacked Aokiji even when he was only there for peace, wanted a mano a mano fight with him and now planning in defeating all yonkous

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He has a strength related dream. Sure he wants to have the most freedom in sea, but he has to be the strongest to accomplish that

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

I see no problem with him being the weakest, he's fine the way he is.

 

[Bogard]

So Oda has to abide by the parallel you made up? Yeah okay bud.

Nothing says that Usopp can't surpass Van Auger and still be the weakest. How do you know Van Auger isn't the weakest of the Blackbeard Pirates? You are making too many assumptions that aren't established devices in One Piece. Usopp vs Van Auger isn't even guaranteed. Just because he uses guns? Look at Film Z, who did the enemy gun-slinger fight? Zoro. Who did Usopp fight? The crowds of fodder, as his place. While it's non-canon, Oda did write it, showing that Oda doesn't feel the need to have the gunslinger fight Usopp, so there's no guarantee Van Auger will be Usopp's match-up.

There is nothing made up when it comes from the manga. Van Auger is definitely not the weakest when he already showed preskip physical speed/capacity above majority of Blackbeard recruits while fighting Ace and kilometers sharp shoting. And you can't use non-canon fights in Oda's manga. Zoro always used to fight swordsmen. I don't know why it will change. We have a sniper in Blackbeard crew. Dunno why he won't fight Ussop, especially that when he actually sniped a bird back in Jaya, he was directly paralleled to Ussop on the same page

 

[Punk Hazard]

And like i've said to become the pirate King, he has to be the strongest pirate. You're totally not understanding Luffy's character if you think he doesn't want to be the strongest/not battle oriented. It's not for nothing he attacked Zoro only to know who was stronger in WP, attacked Aokiji even when he was only there for peace, wanted a mano a mano fight with him and now planning in defeating all yonkous

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He has a strength related dream. Sure he wants to have the most freedom in sea, but he has to be the strongest to accomplish that

Nah, you don't. You just have to find One Piece. He is battle-oriented, in that he wants to be strong enough to protect his friends. You don't understand Luffy's character. Do you know what drove Luffy to want to be stronger? Sabo's death. That's when Luffy's desire to get stronger bloomed, he wants to protect his friends.

Luffy's dream isn't to defeat the Yonko. That's just something he wants to do along the way, the same way Luffy wanted a musician, wanted to go to Fishman Island, wanted to win Ace's fruit, but they are not his dreams. Your dream is something you want above else, something that is a priority, and if you can help it, will not be unatainable. If something came about that prevents Luffy to defeat all of the Yonko, then he'd be fine with it. The only thing that can happen to Luffy that'd prevent him from finding One Piece and he's willing to accept is death. If someone did something using magic or something, and told Luffy "You can never defeat the Yonko", Luffy wouldn't care anywhere near the level as if the same was done with being Pirate King. Dreams and desires are two very, very different things, on two very, very different levels.

 

[Punk Hazard]

There is nothing made up when it comes from the manga. Van Auger is definitely not the weakest when he already showed preskip physical speed/capacity above majority of Blackbeard recruits while fighting Ace and kilometers sharp shoting. And you can't use non-canon fights in Oda's manga. Zoro always used to fight swordsmen. I don't know why it will change. We have a sniper in Blackbeard crew. Dunno why he won't fight Ussop, especially that when he actually sniped a bird back in Jaya, he was directly paralleled to Ussop on the same page

You may not be able to use non-canon fights in the manga to determine some things, but you can use non-canon writing from Oda to see what Oda is willing and isn't willing to do. Because even though it's non-canon, it's still Oda. It's still his writing style. Oda has written Zoro vs a gunslinger while Usopp didn't fight the gunslinger. You can try and make up excuses, but the fact of the matter is, it was written by Oda, so it's not against Oda's style. Meaning there is no guarantee that Usopp has to fight Van Auger just because he's a sniper. It's a good guess on your part, but still, just that, a guess.

 

[Hexuze]

Yes because his goal is not to be the strongest, he just wants to be a brave warrior of the sea. He doesn't have to be strong. Him, Nami & Chopper will remain be part of the "weak trio" IMO. I don't think there will be a SH crew vs BB crew fight, it's more suitable for the Red Hair pirates vs BB pirates so bringing up Van Augur is irrelevant.

 

[Zeta42]

One day he will be even stronger than Franky.

 

[Fireplay]

Benn Beckmann isn't a sniper. He has a rifle. Also, Luffy's crew is much smaller then Shanks' crew and obviously it will be stronger than Shanks' crew therefore Usopp being the weakest makes sense. Usopp will surpass Yasopp but Usopp and Yasopp are only snipers. They're supporting the crew. They don't have to be physically the strongest or even one of the strongest crew members.

Lets put it like this....

All of those important Red-haired pirate crew members we saw at MF could all be stronger than Yasopp but it doesn't matter because Yasopp is a sniper not a head on fighter.

Usopp will continue being the weakest but in terms of sniping he is above everyone.

Even in basketball. If you are the shooter and can practically make it in from anywhere it doesn't matter if you're not overall as good as your other teammates. You stick to your criteria.

 

[A v i]

I think Nami is weaker than him.

 

[NarutoBmx33]

Benn Beckmann isn't a sniper. He has a rifle. Also, Luffy's crew is much smaller then Shanks' crew and obviously it will be stronger than Shanks' crew therefore Usopp being the weakest makes sense. Usopp will surpass Yasopp but Usopp and Yasopp are only snipers. They're supporting the crew. They don't have to be physically the strongest or even one of the strongest crew members.

Lets put it like this....

All of those important Red-haired pirate crew members we saw at MF could all be stronger than Yasopp but it doesn't matter because Yasopp is a sniper not a head on fighter.

Usopp will continue being the weakest but in terms of sniping he is above everyone.

Even in basketball. If you are the shooter and can practically make it in from anywhere it doesn't matter if you're not overall as good as your other teammates. You stick to your criteria.

Well said. I wonder how Luffy and Ussop will react when they either -- a) fight the Red Hair pirates
b) hear about Blackbeard fighting the Red Hair Pirates