Juubi Gai vs Kaguya

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He would have been dead right here, so this post makes no sense.

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Kakashi also warped a hole in the Goudama shield.

Only if you read this "The only role of the support team was to help him get past the TSB which he couldn't touch."

Saying he would have been dead right there when he wasn't at full speed at that point makes no sense.

Kakashi warping it was due to the fact that Gai couldn't touch it(Especially when he exerted enough force to destroy the shield). Minato teleporting it was due to the fact that Gai couldn't touch it. You must be joking if you think 8G Gai can't evade that. Laughable when Gai in the 5th or 6th had more than enough speed to intercept it When 5G Lee could save Gai before it could hit him

I already addressed the issue with the 7G...So no he won't have been dead before opening the 8th.

Nope. Kaguya stomps him.

Doubt it..Considering the massive power Obito got upon becoming the Jin. 8G Gai becoming the Jin alongside having Senjutsu in this matchup shouldn't be stomped though since he was fighting on par with a Juubi Jin..with the only problem being not able to touch the TSB. Obito had enough strength to destroy deity gates and had the speed to do a lot of things he would never have dreamt of before becoming the Jin.

Kakashi upon gaining some of the Rikudou's power up had what it took to blitz Kaguya(Though it may have been by surprise). Gai naturally with NM is much faster considering he distorts space..Senjutsu alongside the Juubi's powerup( which Rapidly increased Obito's speed and physical) should rapidly increase NM speed and power. That would be sickening haha...EE as well would be rapidly enhanced

He can now regenerate, shield himself with the TSB, take flight and even sense. I doubt he'd be stomped bro.
 

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Only if you read this "The only role of the support team was to help him get past the TSB which he couldn't touch."

Saying he would have been dead right there when he wasn't at full speed at that point makes no sense.

Kakashi warping it was due to the fact that Gai couldn't touch it(Especially when he exerted enough force to destroy the shield). Minato teleporting it was due to the fact that Gai couldn't touch it. You must be joking if you think 8G Gai can't evade that. Laughable when Gai in the 5th or 6th had more than enough speed to intercept it When 5G Lee could save Gai before it could hit him

I already addressed the issue with the 7G...So no he won't have been dead before opening the 8th.

All of this is irrelevant, he would have died right there, nothing to debate, nothing at all. Thanks for furthermore proving the point that Gai doesn't have shit on Madara, let alone anyone else with Goudama.

There isn't much to discuss here, without Kakashi warping the hole in the shield and Minato ridding of the other Goudama, he would have lost very quickly. Not to mention Limbo not being used, lol.
 
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All of this is irrelevant, he would have died right there, nothing to debate, nothing at all. Thanks for furthermore proving the point that Gai doesn't have shit on Madara, let alone anyone else with Goudama.

Give my points and then you say it's irrelevant despite it being relevant to what we're saying? Ridiculous. You talk about him having help and yet I'm telling you the reason for the help was to get around the TSB since he couldn't touch it. Not to mention you said he would have died when he had the speed to evade those balls.

There isn't much to discuss here, without Kakashi warping the hole in the shield and Minato ridding of the other Goudama, he would have lost very quickly. Not to mention Limbo not being used, lol.

He would have died quickly? Yeah read first before responding..Madara resorted to covering his whole body with a shield. Being on the defensive means Gai would have died from that? I've explained to you that could have evaded those balls with ease. Nothing implies they would have killed him there when he already intercepted it in a far weaker Gate when compared to the 8th..when his student did so as well.

Yupp, this is the new thing here. My Favorite character didn't use the technique I felt he should have used(Despite it being not 100% proof that he didn't) therefore he didn't go all out. He didn't use the TSB against Naruto and Sasuke..He didn't go all out too?

We saw him say this here Meaning he had to do everything possible to avoid it. He compared it to Hashi's fight, we all know how that went down. You say he got help but yet that wasn't the case with NM.

You talk about Limbo despite the fight being off paneled...This was their state afterwards meaning Gai was indeed hit by Madara somehow. Was it the TSB? No because it would have erased Gai. Can you for sure say it was Madara himself that hit him? Or it was Limbo? You have no proof of both since it wasn't shown.
 

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Give my points and then you say it's irrelevant despite it being relevant to what we're saying? Ridiculous. You talk about him having help and yet I'm telling you the reason for the help was to get around the TSB since he couldn't touch it. Not to mention you said he would have died when he had the speed to evade those balls.



He would have died quickly? Yeah read first before responding..Madara resorted to covering his whole body with a shield. Being on the defensive means Gai would have died from that? I've explained to you that could have evaded those balls with ease. Nothing implies they would have killed him there when he already intercepted it in a far weaker Gate when compared to the 8th..when his student did so as well.

Yupp, this is the new thing here. My Favorite character didn't use the technique I felt he should have used(Despite it being not 100% proof that he didn't) therefore he didn't go all out. He didn't use the TSB against Naruto and Sasuke..He didn't go all out too?

We saw him say this here Meaning he had to do everything possible to avoid it. He compared it to Hashi's fight, we all know how that went down. You say he got help but yet that wasn't the case with NM.

You talk about Limbo despite the fight being off paneled...This was their state afterwards meaning Gai was indeed hit by Madara somehow. Was it the TSB? No because it would have erased Gai. Can you for sure say it was Madara himself that hit him? Or it was Limbo? You have no proof of both since it wasn't shown.
You just stated yourself Gai cannot touch Goudama, am I wrong? Therefore, he would have died either way, you are debating something that shouldn't be up for debate in the first place.


And congratulations, you chalk it up to the "off panel" portion of the fight, if it was off paneled, it's not up for discussion, period. Simply saying we don't know if he used or not is not sufficient, and once again, is not up for debate.


Scenario plays out the same, and let's say Gai "does" dodge those Goudama, he still will be killed considering Kamui hasn't warped a hole inside the shield. That or Madara casts CT, and waits it out in the sky.


To put it simply, a non restricted Madara shits on Gai.
 
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I guess some people forgot about Dimensional Shifting. Kaguya negs.
 

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Holy shit, you said Gai almost killed Madara, yet he would of died at the beginning of the fight had it not been for those two.

Limbo wasn't even used, your post is laughable.

Holy crap; Juudara did almost die, silly turd. I noticed that every time you respond a post, you completely ignore what they told you and say something completely irrelevant, just like you did with Evani and the post that I am responding to right now.

All your posts are a children's joke.
 

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Kaguya gets blitzed to shit but ultimately Gai can't seal her.
 

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Holy crap; Juudara did almost die, silly turd. I noticed that every time you respond a post, you completely ignore what they told you and say something completely irrelevant, just like you did with Evani and the post that I am responding to right now.

All your posts are a children's joke.
I am well aware he was almost killed, but it wasn't without assistance at the beginning, which put Madara in a tough spot.

Madvictory, let's not be a hypocrite here, everything that comes from you is nothing but a joke.


Please give me an example of what you stated I do, since I apparently do it so often. What I said here was true, Gai wouldn't be able to bring Madara to the same state he did without assistance, therefore everything that was said IS irrelevant.
 
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You just stated yourself Gai cannot touch Goudama, am I wrong? Therefore, he would have died either way, you are debating something that shouldn't be up for debate in the first place.

What the heck? Yes he can't touch it and that was the reason for the support. If Gai could touch it, it would be a different case. So Madara isn't shitting while on the defensive.


And congratulations, you chalk it up to the "off panel" portion of the fight, if it was off paneled, it's not up for discussion, period. Simply saying we don't know if he used or not is not sufficient, and once again, is not up for debate.

What a joke.. Anyone with common sense would understand this. You jump in saying he didn't use limbo with no actual proof..Meanwhile I'm saying with no proof you can't use that as a solid point since they both ended up in that kind of state.

@bold this just exposes you..If it's not up for discussion, then why are you saying "He didn't even use Limbo". Whether he used it or not is unknown to us. So saying he didn't use it when not seeing the entire fight is just plain stupid even though it's unknown to us how Gai ended up in that sate. I'm not claiming he used it and at the same time, I'm not claiming he didn't use it. All I'm saying is we saw Madara said he mustn't be hit and at the same time it isn't known to us whether or not he used it. As simple as that..Unless you want to explain to me how Gai got in that state without the TSB being used.


Scenario plays out the same, and let's say Gai "does" dodge those Goudama, he still will be killed considering Kamui hasn't warped a hole inside the shield. That or Madara casts CT, and waits it out in the sky.

What are you saying? I've explained this to you and yet you still repeat this nonsense. If Madara is fully covered, how does he kill him? Even if he's fully covered, how does he "shit" when Gai eventually dies from his own technique since Madara can't attack while fully covered?

Gai in an instant caught up with Madara while he was in the sky...I wonder how he's flying up to use it . Not to mention can't Gai just use Multiple EE while he's being drawn up to destroy the Sphere drawing him up? I'm pretty sure he can.


To put it simply, a non restricted Madara shits on Gai

I see and that's why they ended up in that state..The only thing was Gai couldn't touch the TSB which was a key factor in that fight seeing how Madara covered his entire body with it before the support intervened. If Gai could touch it, Madara won't be shitting Jack. Unless you want to say being on the defensive is a form of shitting on someone.
 
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Doubt it..Considering the massive power Obito got upon becoming the Jin. 8G Gai becoming the Jin alongside having Senjutsu in this matchup shouldn't be stomped though since he was fighting on par with a Juubi Jin..with the only problem being not able to touch the TSB. Obito had enough strength to destroy deity gates and had the speed to do a lot of things he would never have dreamt of before becoming the Jin.

He may have been fighting on par with a Jin before, but take JJ Madara w/o Shinju and his other eye and take JJ Obito and Kaguya would stomp them both. The boost doesn't let him:

-Blitz Kaguya. (unless we are talking about Night Guy)

-Survive the vast majority of her attacks.

-Overpower her.



Kakashi upon gaining some of the Rikudou's power up had what it took to blitz Kaguya(Though it may have been by surprise). Gai naturally with NM is much faster considering he distorts space..Senjutsu alongside the Juubi's powerup( which Rapidly increased Obito's speed and physical) should rapidly increase NM speed and power. That would be sickening haha...EE as well would be rapidly enhanced

I'm going to chalk it up the surprise factor, because a weakened Kaguya evaded Sasuke's teleportation attack, and she was Kakashi coming, and reacted to him, but not physically for some odd reason. Night Guy is useless anyway. It has a long enough charge time for Kaguya to merely open a portal and have Gai shoot right inside, or simply recede into the portal before Night Guy is fired. Or she can use Amenominaka (Her dimensional shifting) to change to the Ice Dimension and freeze Gai long enough to finish him with the All Killing Ash Bones.

Senjutsu is worthless attack wise since if Kaguya takes out her Gudo Dama, Gai still can't do anything to it because his jutsu don't use chakra, thus Senjutsu won't increase their power. His physical strength gets a boost though, but the physical strength boost is shown to be nowhere near the boost in Ninjutsu, so his moves will be noticeably stronger, but not like BM Naruto's Bijuu Dama to RSM Naruto's Bijuu Dama stronger.


He can now regenerate, shield himself with the TSB, take flight and even sense. I doubt he'd be stomped bro.

And none of that is useful against Kaguya's attacks, since he can't block them.


-They warp to the Lava Dimension or Acid Dimension, all she needs to do is use her ability to attack with the surroundings and its GG Gai. Can't tank Lava or Acid.

-All Killing Ash Bones still kill him on impact.

-Kaguya's chakra arms still kill him on impact.
 

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He may have been fighting on par with a Jin before, but take JJ Madara w/o Shinju and his other eye and take JJ Obito and Kaguya would stomp them both. The boost doesn't let him:

-Blitz Kaguya. (unless we are talking about Night Guy)

-Survive the vast majority of her attacks.

-Overpower her.





I'm going to chalk it up the surprise factor, because a weakened Kaguya evaded Sasuke's teleportation attack, and she was Kakashi coming, and reacted to him, but not physically for some odd reason. Night Guy is useless anyway. It has a long enough charge time for Kaguya to merely open a portal and have Gai shoot right inside, or simply recede into the portal before Night Guy is fired. Or she can use Amenominaka (Her dimensional shifting) to change to the Ice Dimension and freeze Gai long enough to finish him with the All Killing Ash Bones.

Senjutsu is worthless attack wise since if Kaguya takes out her Gudo Dama, Gai still can't do anything to it because his jutsu don't use chakra, thus Senjutsu won't increase their power. His physical strength gets a boost though, but the physical strength boost is shown to be nowhere near the boost in Ninjutsu, so his moves will be noticeably stronger, but not like BM Naruto's Bijuu Dama to RSM Naruto's Bijuu Dama stronger.




And none of that is useful against Kaguya's attacks, since he can't block them.


-They warp to the Lava Dimension or Acid Dimension, all she needs to do is use her ability to attack with the surroundings and its GG Gai. Can't tank Lava or Acid.

-All Killing Ash Bones still kill him on impact.

-Kaguya's chakra arms still kill him on impact.


Looool constructed my reply and all but realized it was pointless in the end.

Didn't get what you meant exactly with the bold.
 

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Looool constructed my reply and all but realized it was pointless in the end.

Didn't get what you meant exactly with the bold.






She can control the surroundings, and use them in pretty much any way she wants. Its like she's one with Nature, Muki Tensei on steroids. Lol
 

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She can control the surroundings, and use them in pretty much any way she wants. Its like she's one with Nature, Muki Tensei on steroids. Lol

Loool ahh that. Yeah Gai can't do a thing about that..Man some of these techniques though.
 

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What a joke.. Anyone with common sense would understand this. You jump in saying he didn't use limbo with no actual proof..Meanwhile I'm saying with no proof you can't use that as a solid point since they both ended up in that kind of state.

It's the other way around, saying he used Limbo "because his state" isn't reason enough to say Limbo itself was used, especially considering Limbo without Juubi Jins physical attributes was capable of knocking back the Bijuu near simultaneously, Gai would have either had his neck snapped, as he cannot percieve Limbo or he wouldn't make it past the Limbo, because he cannot physically harm it.

@bold this just exposes you..If it's not up for discussion, then why are you saying "He didn't even use Limbo". Whether he used it or not is unknown to us. So saying he didn't use it when not seeing the entire fight is just plain stupid even though it's unknown to us how Gai ended up in that sate. I'm not claiming he used it and at the same time, I'm not claiming he didn't use it. All I'm saying is we saw Madara said he mustn't be hit and at the same time it isn't known to us whether or not he used it. As simple as that..Unless you want to explain to me how Gai got in that state without the TSB being used.

What exposes me? The fact that I said Limbo wasn't used? Of course it isn't up for discussion, the fight was off paneled, Madara has Asura Path and Deva Path, both are capable of blowing off Gai's clothes and even ripping fabric.


What are you saying? I've explained this to you and yet you still repeat this nonsense. If Madara is fully covered, how does he kill him? Even if he's fully covered, how does he "shit" when Gai eventually dies from his own technique since Madara can't attack while fully covered?
Uh, the fact that he's fully covered means jack, Limbo clones in general have free movement, and if Gai dies without even remotely harming Madara, than yes, Gai would be shitted on.

Gai in an instant caught up with Madara while he was in the sky...I wonder how he's flying up to use it . Not to mention can't Gai just use Multiple EE while he's being drawn up to destroy the Sphere drawing him up? I'm pretty sure he can.

Madara was this high , not very far up, some ninja can jump this high. This is how high Madara could get in a mere moment

That probably wasn't even at full speed either, seeing as both Juubito and Madara showed a trail when they went at full speed . This Madara also was so fast he was a blur when he took off . You can also see how fast he is here, , when he spit the tools out, they were flying so fast it kicked up all that dust and furthermore, he reacted to Sasuke by spouting an entire sentence before he was bisected and even ripped Kakashi's eye out near instantly.. also Kakashi states this here .

Considering all of this, I'm more than confident that he can elevate out of Gai's range. From this point, he can use Chibaku Tensei plus a high scaled Bansho Ten'nin (like the one used to pull meteors "Tengai Shinsei" technique) and pulverize Gai. That or he can blast the entire battleground with Shurado on a grand scale, in the hands of the original wielder of the Rinnegan.


I see and that's why they ended up in that state..The only thing was Gai couldn't touch the TSB which was a key factor in that fight seeing how Madara covered his entire body with it before the support intervened. If Gai could touch it, Madara won't be shitting Jack. Unless you want to say being on the defensive is a form of shitting on someone.

Bold: Once again, assumptions are heavy here.

Yes, if Gai doesn't so much as touch Madara in combat, than yes, he would be shitted on in my eyes at least.


PS, sorry for the late reply, been busy at work, when I got some time off I decided to watch a new series.
 
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-Dimension Shift GG

-Ash Killing Bones GG

-Infinte Tsukuyomi GG

-Truth Seeking Ball GG

All 4 choices lead to a dead Might Guy
 

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-Dimension Shift GG

-Ash Killing Bones GG

-Infinte Tsukuyomi GG

-Truth Seeking Ball GG

All 4 choices lead to a dead Might Guy

Ash Bones won't hit Gai, but the other options are viable.
 

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Except Gai had help from Kakashi and Minato...

lol had help listein gai never asked for help and he did all the attacks alone they only helped him deliver one attack
naruto and sasuke had major help, kakshi,obito,sakura and themself,

OT:gai destroyes her as jubbis regenerate so 8 gates would be unkilling
 
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