[VS] 6 Tails Naruto vs KCM Naruto

[ARGUS]

6 tails naruto destroys. Are people seriously forgetting how strong this form was, and how KCM Naruto failed to live up to it? Am I really going to have to show examples on the huge difference in power they have?

please explain because ur incorrect here

 

[Brother Numpsay]

nah hobi was just within the blast radius, it didnt tank the TBB head on,

I have been saying this since forever.. Even you were arguing with me, at it.

however Mokuton Hobi did tank the PS slash with no damage so its possible that it has enough durability to tank a TBB

I dont remember that at all. I remember Hobi parrying the sword, then later on getting chopped up along with mountains.

 

[Blunt]

6 tails naruto destroys. Are people seriously forgetting how strong this form was, and how KCM Naruto failed to live up to it? Am I really going to have to show examples on the huge difference in power they have?

Explain yourself, please.

 

[ARGUS]

I have been saying this since forever.. Even you were arguing with me, at it.

Lol really? i dont remember arguing to you about this but ok

 

[KidGamer65]

I have been saying this since forever.. Even you were arguing with me, at it.

The Bijuu Dama exploded right in front of Hashirama, and no he didn't go down to the ground like you claimed he did, when it exploded, he clapped his hands, thus he was using a Jutsu, thus he formed Hobi right there and tanked the Bijuu Dama. That simple.

6 tails naruto destroys. Are people seriously forgetting how strong this form was, and how KCM Naruto failed to live up to it? Am I really going to have to show examples on the huge difference in power they have?

-This form was put away by Deva Path, KCM Naruto would dominate Deva Path.

-This form uses things like FRS, Chou FRS, multiple FRS. Thus its firepower absolutely shits on KN6's, and its not strong enough to tank any of these attacks.

-This form's speed>>>KN6's speed.

Naruto stomps.

 

[Conspirator.]

Multiple FRS destroys 6 tails Naruto. So KCM naruto wins.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The Bijuu Dama exploded right in front of Hashirama, and no he didn't go down to the ground like you claimed he did, when it exploded, he clapped his hands, thus he was using a Jutsu, thus he formed Hobi right there and tanked the Bijuu Dama. That simple.
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@Bold, how do you prove that claim, when he had his hand like that, ever since he made Mokujin[

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So how can you prove your claim?

 

[KidGamer65]

@Bold, how do you prove that claim, when he had his hand like that, ever since he made Mokujin[

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So how can you prove your claim?

Forming the technique is what needs the handsign, so I have no reason to believe he kept his hands like that for the lulz. Forming Hobi is what requires a hand sign, panel closes up on Hashirama, and he's shown with his hands clasped together, thus he was using a jutsu, then we see an explosion, then we see the jutsu. Not to mention he was still right in the middle of it.

On the other hand, you claim that he moved down, then used Hobi, and that the hand sign shown in the panel is for nothing, even though there is nothing in the manga that supports that conclusion.

-Nothing shows him moving.

-Nothing implies that he was even fast enough to move.

While everything shows that he merely defended himself, just like Madara did.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Forming the technique is what needs the handsign, so I have no reason to believe he kept his hands like that for the lulz.

Agree, I have no reason to believe that either. At the same time, I don't have to believe he did it on screen. But it is very clear his hands were like that since he performed Mokujin.

Forming Hobi is what requires a hand sign, panel closes up on Hashirama, and he's shown with his hands clasped together, thus he was using a jutsu, then we see an explosion, then we see the jutsu. Not to mention he was still right in the middle of it.

3 Mokutons he used, all had different hand signs of control. So that confirms the interpretation on what was the requirement of hand signs.

On the other hand, you claim that he moved down, then used Hobi, and that the hand sign shown in the panel is for nothing, even though there is nothing in the manga that supports that conclusion.

I didn't say it was for nothing.. You completely miss that part of my point. It was very clear that it was the same hand sign for Mokujin.

-Nothing shows him moving.

Nothing showed PS materializing on Kurama, doesn't mean we can't assume he did it mid blast.

-Nothing implies that he was even fast enough to move.

He reacted to a TBB firing at him point blank already, I'm pretty sure he can move out of the point blank blast, when its about to detonated.

While everything shows that he merely defended himself, just like Madara did.

Agree, but you were misrepresenting my point.

 

[KidGamer65]

Agree, I have no reason to believe that either. At the same time, I don't have to believe he did it on screen. But it is very clear his hands were like that since he performed Mokujin.

No, its not. And I'm seeing no evidence from your side besides the fact his hands were clapped again, which isn't evidence as he was shown to use a second jutsu. Your whole argument is basically "you believing he did it off screen" which frankly, isn't an argument.

3 Mokutons he used, all had different hand signs of control. So that confirms the interpretation on what was the requirement of hand signs.

Hotei, Mokuryu and Mokujin all had different hand signs of control, but that's not evidence for Hotei not needing that same sign. Flower Tree World and Jukai Kotan both require the same seal.

I didn't say it was for nothing.. You completely miss that part of my point. It was very clear that it was the same hand sign for Mokujin.

No reason it'd be for Mokujin when Mokujin was already formed and in use. He doesn't need to keep that hand sign to maintain it or to control it as the manga shows. You are basically telling me he kept a hand sign used for the creation of the jutsu, for the lulz.

Hashirama was shown to be standing still, not moving right until the blast occured, unless he moved during the explosion, he didn't move at all.

Nothing showed PS materializing on Kurama, doesn't mean we can't assume he did it mid blast.

Ok.

He reacted to a TBB firing at him point blank already, I'm pretty sure he can move out of the point blank blast, when its about to detonated.

Reacting to a Bijuu Dama (Not point blank)=/=evading its explosion from point blank range. The explosion occurs faster and spreads faster than a Bijuu Dama can travel, not to mention he wasn't even able to evade the Bijuu Dama, he had to redirect it.

 

[Bronze]

6-Tailed Kyuubi wins. KCM Naruto's attacks lack a significant fire-power to put down V2, after it had tanked its TBB without receiving damage. And TBB would nuke KCM Naruto effortlessly. We've seen how Naruto was weak to V2 Jinchuuriki during the war.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

No, its not. And I'm seeing no evidence from your side besides the fact his hands were clapped again, which isn't evidence as he was shown to use a second jutsu. Your whole argument is basically "you believing he did it off screen" which frankly, isn't an argument.

Thats a very good argument since you have no proof when he did the second jutsu. You are assuming the same hand seal for Mokujin, is for Hobi for later. My argument is more probable then your interpretation.

Hotei, Mokuryu and Mokujin all had different hand signs of control, but that's not evidence for Hotei not needing that same sign. Flower Tree World and Jukai Kotan both require the same seal.

Point taken.

No reason it'd be for Mokujin when Mokujin was already formed and in use. He doesn't need to keep that hand sign to maintain it or to control it as the manga shows.You are basically telling me he kept a hand sign used for the creation of the jutsu, for the lulz.

My reasoning isn't for the lulz, but at the same time I can't deny that it isn't mandatory to keep it hold. And at the sametime he really did hold it, from the first time he performed to even with the clash of the TBB.

Hashirama was shown to be standing still, not moving right until the blast occured, unless he moved during the explosion, he didn't move at all.

He was standing still when it was able to explode. From there comes speculating on what happened. Speculations like: When was PS materialized exactly? How did Hashirama end up on the floor? When was Hobi performed?

A good question would be: If Hobi was made with Mokujin, little after before it blew up, how come the force of the blast didn't push it back in mid air?

Reacting to a Bijuu Dama (Not point blank)=/=evading its explosion from point blank range. The explosion occurs faster and spreads faster than a Bijuu Dama can travel, not to mention he wasn't even able to evade the Bijuu Dama, he had to redirect it.

Point taken

 

[Dannie]

You kidding right?

 

[Haizaki]

EJBlack I believe I argued this with you multiple times.

Hashirama's position after the blast..Notice how Madara didn't move from that spot but only swung his sword and yet Hashi is in the same spot but just below since Mokujin wasn't there to stand on.

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If Hashirama is still in the same spot and Mokujin got destroyed, what sense does it make that Hashirama himself was caught up in the blast considering he was standing on top Mokujin? There's only one thing and that's to protect himself while Mokujin was being destroyed.

Considering this was his position before the blast which didn't change after it

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[Brother Numpsay]

EJBlack I believe I argued this with you multiple times.

Hashirama's position after the blast..Notice how Madara didn't move from that spot but only swung his sword and yet Hashi is in the same spot but just below since Mokujin wasn't there to stand on.

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If Hashirama is still in the same spot and Mokujin got destroyed, what sense does it make that Hashirama himself was caught up in the blast considering he was standing on top Mokujin? There's only one thing and that's to protect himself while Mokujin was being destroyed.

Considering this was his position before the blast which didn't change after it

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I dont see how my claim would mean Hashirama wasn't at the same spot. Your basically telling me that I am claiming that Hashirama should stay in mid air/altitude.

Nothing here you are saying I am disagreeing with. But I dont see what you are saying I am wrong at.

So let me ask you a question? Why did Hobi get push back by the force of the TBB, in mid air?

 

[Sennin of Logic]

please explain because ur incorrect here

Well.......... don't you sound receptive?

Explain yourself, please.

The Bijuu Dama exploded right in front of Hashirama, and no he didn't go down to the ground like you claimed he did, when it exploded, he clapped his hands, thus he was using a Jutsu, thus he formed Hobi right there and tanked the Bijuu Dama. That simple.



-This form was put away by Deva Path, KCM Naruto would dominate Deva Path.

-This form uses things like FRS, Chou FRS, multiple FRS. Thus its firepower absolutely shits on KN6's, and its not strong enough to tank any of these attacks.

-This form's speed>>>KN6's speed.

Naruto stomps.

First off, KCM Naruto is completely and utterly inferior to 6 tail Naruto in physical attributes excluding speed, but even then, Naruto couldn't control it in KCM form. (but has in BM)


I'll start off with 4 tail feats.

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Merely powering up caused immense destruction!

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Another example of immense strength. I have yet to see KCM Naruto display a fraction of this brute power through chakra and strength alone.

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Can pop up multiple manifestations of his chakra to essentially make his enemy fight 2 versions of himself.

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Destroyed triple Rashomon in an instant with a mini TBB.


Now, on to 6 tails Naruto.

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Not only was almighty push strong enough to send multiple toads hurtling away at immense distances, but it broke every bone in Gamabunta's body. Considering Gamabunta tanked this.

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That's saying a lot.

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With anchoring, 6T Naruto had the strength and durability to withstand that level of force. Again, KCM Naruto is a far cry from this.

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This means several things.

1. Naruto almost made a mini TBB in 5 seconds or around that time.

2. That explosion was huge.

3. He had no damage from that explosion, showing his incredible durability.



The only area KCM is truly better in is versatility of being a ninja, but what will happen is that 6T Naruto will start beating the crap out of him in CQB, and can put a ton of pressure on him at range, and V2s can definitely close the distance against KCM Naruto.

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KCM sucked so much. It was an incredible let down considering what we knew the 9 tails chakra was capable of.

 

[Inert Brian]

V2 Jins shitted on KCM Naruto.

KN6 wins.

 

[Haizaki]

V2 Jins shitted on KCM Naruto.

KN6 wins.

Did you look at the bold? If you did, you won't use that as a reason here. Did you forget their Rinnegan and Sharingan as well

I dont see how my claim would mean Hashirama wasn't at the same spot. Your basically telling me that I am claiming that Hashirama should stay in mid air/altitude.

Nothing here you are saying I am disagreeing with. But I dont see what you are saying I am wrong at.

So let me ask you a question? Why did Hobi get push back by the force of the TBB, in mid air?

All I can say is:

- Hashi was in the same spot
- He was on top of Mokujin previously
- Mokujin got destroyed..If it's destroyed, how's Hobi still going to be in Mid air when it was on top of something and that thing got destroyed? Therefore Hobi landed on the ground since it won't make sense for Hashi to tank it with his body.
- Pushed back? Where did you get that from?

You're claiming Hashi jumped down to create Hobi with no evidence of him doing so.

 

[KidGamer65]

First off, KCM Naruto is completely and utterly inferior to 6 tail Naruto in physical attributes excluding speed, but even then, Naruto couldn't control it in KCM form. (but has in BM)

Agreed, but since most of this post provides no argument as to why KN6 actually wins, I'm erasing it.

1. Naruto almost made a mini TBB in 5 seconds or around that time.

Ok.

2. That explosion was huge.

Ok?

3. He had no damage from that explosion, showing his incredible durability.

Neither did Deva, so they weren't at the epicenter at the blast, unless you are ready to say Deva can tank a Bijuu Dama.

The only area KCM is truly better in is versatility of being a ninja, but what will happen is that 6T Naruto will start beating the crap out of him in CQB, and can put a ton of pressure on him at range, and V2s can definitely close the distance against KCM Naruto.

KCM shits in speed and any related areas.

KCM shits in firepower.

KCM is more intelligent.

KCM shits when it comes to move variety, which is a major reason why he wins.

KCM Naruto shitstomps. Nothing you said even provided a counter to anything I said.

What will happen is, KN6 initiates CQC with KCM Naruto, and then gets wrecked by chakra arms and Rasengan Variants, or gets wrecked by a single Rasen Shuriken.

If they fight at range, FRS is a ranged technique, it can be guided with chakra arms, and KN6 can't tank it, so Naruto stomps in a ranged battle as well.

KCM sucked so much. It was an incredible let down considering what we knew the 9 tails chakra was capable of.

KCM is Naruto's best mode bar BM. Naruto stomps him.

V2 Jins shitted on KCM Naruto.

KN6 wins.

V2 Jins shitted on a Naruto playing on the defensive, trying to save them, and not using his best techniques, and who also wasn't friendly with Kurama.

Not to mention KN6>>>V2 Jins and its not even close.

 

[KidGamer65]

Thats a very good argument since you have no proof when he did the second jutsu. You are assuming the same hand seal for Mokujin, is for Hobi for later. My argument is more probable then your interpretation.

Since when is Hashirama jumping from his position, down to the ground, and then using Hobi even though no such movement is shown or hinted at a more probable argument, than him using the hand sign he made in the panel, to make Hobi and block the explosion

My reasoning isn't for the lulz, but at the same time I can't deny that it isn't mandatory to keep it hold. And at the sametime he really did hold it, from the first time he performed to even with the clash of the TBB.

He was still forming Mokujin when he had his hands clapped, so that isn't an argument.

He was standing still when it was able to explode. From there comes speculating on what happened. Speculations like: When was PS materialized exactly? How did Hashirama end up on the floor? When was Hobi performed?

PS was materialized mid explosion.

Hobi was performed right before the explosion.

The explosion caused him to end up on the floor. The ground was covered by Mokuton Branches, so no, Hashirama couldn't have gone down there and used Hobi.

A good question would be: If Hobi was made with Mokujin, little after before it blew up, how come the force of the blast didn't push it back in mid air?

If he's caught in the explosion, he won't be pushed anywhere. B was caught in his Bijuu Dama and the only thing that pushed him was the impact of the ball itself, the explosion didn't, so it won't do it to Hashirama either.

As Evani posted, Hashirama is in the same exact position his Mokujin was in, there is no way he'd be in that position unless he didn't fall down there, since he can't be there while Mokujin is there.