As expected love cook there you are undermining Zoro's feats again he did take all of Luffys pain Zoro is one of the biggest tanks in one piece Kuma did not go easy on him U_U...and when Zoro stated Kuma gave him mercy was because Kuma gave him the chance to live by torturing him with luffys pain which kuma stated was sure to kill him.
[Discussion] If Luffy and Zoro ever fought...
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No because if you read what I said and what Yellowfang said, you'll notice that I'm not undermining anything I'm the one stating the facts of what happened and Fang is hyping him.
I understand it must be very confusing for you that the in the post after that someone looks rational at it instead of assuming things. Also there are a couple of things you should try and pick up next time you read, like the word COULD.
No one saw what happened to Zoro, the explanation that Kuma (the undercover ally, and the right hand man of Luffy's dad) spared Zoro from a killing dose of pain is just as likely or even more likely than that he really took it all. You have no proof for it that your version happened and I don't have any for mine so don't state it as a fact.
Zoro is not one of the biggest tanks in One Piece, he is (one of) the biggest within the crew.
So there you have it, a closer look at my objective post versus your colored opinion.
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You're telling him that he's assuming things while you assumed when Zoro thanked Kuma, it was probably because Kuma went easy on him..
Ignorant as always.
You're just as dumb as your friend here, haven't you read the rest.
Nobody knows what went down during that moment, that includes YellowFang, Zorö, you and me. I just gave an alternate explanation of what COULD have happened. (See, could still is very important here). But besides that situation on Thriller Bark, the assumption that Enies Lobby Zoro > Thriller Bark luffy is just laughable, that doesn't work that way. And if some Zoro white knight is saying that I'm downplaying him for that reason than so be it, but don't be the dumbass that defends that crap.
Talking about ignorance..
In my last post I said something about a mistress, but you must be into SM or something because you keep coming back for verbal beatings. Now pull your pants up and move on with your life.
You explained nothing at all. You just gave a ridiculous assumption to try to downplay Zoro's feat, nothing more. Just all the blood around Zoro's area alone shows that he took all Luffy's pain considering there wasn't blood(let alone that much) before.
The entire scene resolved around Kuma and Zoro's respective loyality. They already gave their words to transfer all the pain in not killing Luffy to Zoro. It's not like they would respectively go back from their words after that. If you really believed that, then you either have poor reading comprehension or simply completely stupid.
Obviously Kuma said it's a certain death just like Magellan poisoning Luffy was also supposed to be certain death. Hell even Sanji thought he was dead after seeing him later. It was just to hype the difficulty in the task and Zoro handling it was to show Zoro's incredible strength, will and endurance
The entire scene resolved around Kuma and Zoro's respective loyality. They already gave their words to transfer all the pain in not killing Luffy to Zoro. It's not like they would respectively go back from their words after that. If you really believed that, then you either have poor reading comprehension or simply completely stupid.
Obviously Kuma said it's a certain death just like Magellan poisoning Luffy was also supposed to be certain death. Hell even Sanji thought he was dead after seeing him later. It was just to hype the difficulty in the task and Zoro handling it was to show Zoro's incredible strength, will and endurance
Luffy wins high dif or even more than that. Luffy is not winning below high dif and I am sure about this.
If he spared his life then there was no need to ask that question.
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If he spared his life then there was no need to ask that question.
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Love Cook is obviously biased anything good said about Zoro or abilities in a thread he constantly undermines and tries to bash....its sad and pathetic really :/.
Sweet Pudding
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Well he/she did send the rep to you for only you to see...that's basically telling it to your face
What you described is what happens when a guy insults a guy in front of everybody and the people gather around them and yell ''FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!''
OT - IMO Luffy would win extreme high diff and get a scar and Zoro would loose extreme high diff and maybe suffer a broken rib cage or something
I meant he should say it to me where other people can see how butthurt he wasWell he/she did send the rep to you for only you to see...that's basically telling it to your face
What you described is what happens when a guy insults a guy in front of everybody and the people gather around them and yell ''FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!''
OT - IMO Luffy would win extreme high diff and get a scar and Zoro would loose extreme high diff and maybe suffer a broken rib cage or something
That was probably the funniest rep comment I ever got people really need to see that XD
Btw heres the follow up
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NarutoBmx33
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Click your own link, it says:
Kuma: So you're still alive.
Zoro: Thanks to your mercy
Indicating that Kuma showed mercy in order to spare Zoro's life.
Bogard and Zorö can say im downplaying but there is no proof that Zoro really took it all, and some proof that he was spared.
Bogard's argument about the 'amount of blood' is irrelevant, That could've been achieved with 10% or 50% or 80% pain, you don't know that.
And Zorö is just a crybaby who calls me biased, meanwhile he is polishing his Zoro statue on his fanboy altar, and too busy to ever reply with arguments.
Oh piss off asswipe, you're just agitated because you never win an argument due to your incompetent reading skills.
Check my sig again and go cry about it.
If you want a serious response out of me attack my post, not me. But you can't because you know I don't bullshit around and I'm not aboard the hype train.
And you're even worse, you never produced a sentence worth reading in this section, yet you come in every thread about Zoro to polish and to get shut down by people who actually know what they're talking about, like me.
So same advice to you, attack me on my post, not because you don't like me.
Show me the panel that proves, that he really took it all, show me a fact that proves Zoro is more durable.
The only thing shown was mercy by Kuma. And that is a fact, not an assumption.
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He's just butthurt that Oda cares more about his manga than Kishi does for his, and that Oda is a better mangaka. Inb4 My Username negs me.
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You still didn't get the hole your argument or simply pretending that you didn't.
As I said before if Kuma really did spared his life then there was no need for that question as he should already knew the answer because he was the one who spared his life.
Simple as that.hmm
Kuma spared their crew in exchange for what Zoro did and Zoro just happened to be alive even after what happened to him which is why he said that I am alive because of your mercy.There is no proof to prove your point and if Kuma really did spared his life then Zoro sacrifice would lose it's meaning and Oda would never do something like that.
Another thing is Zoro would never accept it no matter what.
And how did you made that conclusion?
They were equals at some point and later the gap b/w them has increased during NL which proves that the gap b/w them is inconsistent means that Zoro getting closer to Luffy is totally possible. To be frank Zoro covered some distance b/w him and Luffy at TB arc and the gap has decreased after TS.
Don't use NL to justify power levels in current arc. It is just ridiculous.
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NarutoBmx33
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This is too easy.
Zoro saying "thanks to your mercy" is in no way indicating that Kuma actually did go easy on him. What manga are you reading? Zoro and Kuma made an agreement and both honored it, neither one of them would half-ass it and go easy or not live up to their agreement.
Also, Zoro saying that doesn't mean much, it's just the way he talks. He always talks cocky lol
If Kuma did actaully have mercy on Zoro, why would he ask him if he's alive?
Show me the panel that shows Kuma having mercy on Zoro. Not what the say when they meet, but the actual panel where he does show mercy.
It's pathetic how you defend yourself.
In one piece did we ever saw a crew mate being stronger than their captain?In my opinion there is no reason to fight luffy will win no matter what it takes.Zorro discarded his pride(generally we love him for his pride) for luffy and in fish man island when luffy used king's haki zorro said "that's what i needed from my captain otherwise he needs to step down".zorro wants luffy to be stronger than him to follow him.
Cool how you never seem to understand things the first time around, but this will be the last time I will explain it a second time to you.
Then panel is in the previous post, go scroll up.
Kuma spared the rest of the Strawhats so it shouldn't be a surprise that they are still alive. He says to Zoro: "So, you're still alive" on which Zoro responds THANKS TO YOUR MERCY.
That's all the evidence I need for my theory, now why don't you go show me the proof where Kuma really gave it all to Luffy ? You think it is so easy right ? You talk a big game, but never show up with good arguments or evidence. You're right, it is too easy. For me that is.
If you're objective and neutral nothing can happen to you, because you stick to the facts. But fanboys will fall, and I will be the first one to sweep the leg, piss on the dream, and shit in your face when you're talking bullsh1t.
Why would Kuma risk killing Zoro, only to save him the next arc, or to protect their ship from damage. Kuma got orders from the WG to wipe out the sh's twice and he had to put up a fight in order to remain a shichibukai while still working for Dragon.
That is what happened, and the proof is in the pudding.
I'm not undermining anything, Zoro still took a cloud of pain, but it is thanks to Kuma that he survived that. It doesn't have to mean that Zoro has better endurance than Luffy, and even if it did, Luffy fought tons of dudes who presumably had better endurance than him and still won.
There really is only one winner in this fight, and to quote the words of R. Zoro: "I will not follow someone who is weaker than me".
So if he's stronger, why is he still following ?
I'm out.
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@LoveCook again, thats just your assumption. No solid proof. I'm not fighting against the fact that Luffy>Zoro because I agree with that. All I'm saying is that Kuma didn't hold back, Zoro took all of Luffy's pain in and was still standing. This says alot of his endurance. I'm not gonna compare it to others because you'll just blow it out of proportion and make assumptions into facts again.
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