EMS Sasuke vs 3rd Raikage

[Apêx1]

did MS sasuke even have the MS arrow?
Also, it's implied that sasuke would have been unable to avoid V1 bee if he didn't catch him in genjutsu, and V1 bee is how fast compared to Sandaime?
then there's the fact that the sasuke who avoided bee never used a single MS jutsu. If sasuke uses an MS jutsu, his body will be gimped immediately after.

However here's the dinosaur question:
How in the world will V3 susanoo not be affected by hellstab when it gets blown open by a fuuton that's not even close to the power of FRS?

Yes, he used it on Danzo twice.
That was his jump attack which would've caused a large AOE as shown before in that fight. When they were in CQC he dodged easily, and even jumped on his back when he dodged. Raikage doesn't have comparable strength so that won't happen again, he gets dodged. v1 Bee is possibly faster then Sandaime, since he lacks any amazing speed feats to put him above v1 Bee who is probably faster than his brother's v1.

That's when he had no Susano, we are talking Danzo fight Sasuke here. Not to mention Enton doesn't have any bad effects on the body.

Then again v3 survived Kirin which is far ahead of Hellstab, meaning that you are simply underrating Baku's suction combined with Danzo's attack. I have no reason to believe he can bypass v3 imo, not to mention one utilising Enton.

 

[lanakui8]

Yes, he used it on Danzo twice.

I meant enton arrow.

That was his jump attack which would've caused a large AOE as shown before in that fight. When they were in CQC he dodged easily, and even jumped on his back when he dodged. Raikage doesn't have comparable strength so that won't happen again, he gets dodged. v1 Bee is possibly faster then Sandaime, since he lacks any amazing speed feats to put him above v1 Bee who is probably faster than his brother's v1.

Sasuke had time to react to V1 bee the first time sasuke dodged him as he saw bee coming from a mile away. This time, sasuke didn't know where bee was till he was close and was not in a position to physically react to him (he was offguard). Karin wouldn't have been so concerned for sasuke's safety if sasuke wasn't in danger of getting a direct hit from the lariat.

What speed feat from v1 bee leads you to believe he's faster than Ei or sandaime?

That's when he had no Susano, we are talking Danzo fight Sasuke here. Not to mention Enton doesn't have any bad effects on the body.

no i'm pretty sure sasuke's body abilities take a dip even when he was in the danzou fight. Also when did MS sasuke use enton?

Then again v3 survived Kirin which is far ahead of Hellstab, meaning that you are simply underrating Baku's suction combined with Danzo's attack. I have no reason to believe he can bypass v3 imo, not to mention one utilising Enton.

Since when is Kirin anywhere near the penetrating power of hellstab? Kirin by feats and hype isn't even on another level than FRS, and hellstab is far more penetrative than that.

er, V3 didn't survive kirin, whatever susanoo was used was completely destroyed. Also, we don't know what version of susanoo was used to survive kirin, and if danzou's fuuton while enhance by baku's suction gets crapped on by the hype FRS receives 100 chapters later when powerlevels are far greater, then a V4 susanoo was used to block kirin or Kirin is just not as powerful as you think it is.

 

[Unorthodox]

hebi sasuke takes this kirin gg

open by a fuuton that's not even close to the power of FRS

going to need proof of this furthermore the fuuton only opened up the v3 armor

 

[Rιver]

I meant enton arrow.


Sasuke had time to react to V1 bee the first time sasuke dodged him as he saw bee coming from a mile away. This time, sasuke didn't know where bee was till he was close and was not in a position to physically react to him (he was offguard). Karin wouldn't have been so concerned for sasuke's safety if sasuke wasn't in danger of getting a direct hit from the lariat.

What speed feat from v1 bee leads you to believe he's faster than Ei or sandaime?


no i'm pretty sure sasuke's body abilities take a dip even when he was in the danzou fight. Also when did MS sasuke use enton?


Since when is Kirin anywhere near the penetrating power of hellstab? Kirin by feats and hype isn't even on another level than FRS, and hellstab is far more penetrative than that.

er, V3 didn't survive kirin, whatever susanoo was used was completely destroyed. Also, we don't know what version of susanoo was used to survive kirin, and if danzou's fuuton while enhance by baku's suction gets crapped on by the hype FRS receives 100 chapters later when powerlevels are far greater, then a V4 susanoo was used to block kirin or Kirin is just not as powerful as you think it is.

MS Sasuke hasn't demonstrated to equip other objects other than Susano'O ribcage with Enton, but it was at his MS stage he unlocked Enton. Go reread his fights with E and Gaara.

 

[lanakui8]

hebi sasuke takes this kirin gg

how is kirin going to beat sandaime raikage when FRS which has the wind element couldn't?

going to need proof of this furthermore the fuuton only opened up the v3 armor

FRS is hyped as a far greater wind attack. No one is amazed at the power of danzou's fuuton, Temari who's the most powerful fuuton user in the alliance is amazed at the power of FRS, and that's 100 chapters later which means it's the most powerful fuuton in the manga even with the higher powerscale.

Then we have the feats of FRS that I discuss in this thread:

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Mountain busting is something that would completely destroy a V3 susanoo based on feats, not just blow a hole in its back like danzou's fuuton did.

Now, unless you have evidence that Danzou's fuuton > FRS, all the evidence says FRS > Danzou's fuuton, and significantly at that.

Also, danzou's fuuton only did that to a V3, but sandaime raikage's nukite is by far the most penetrating attack in the manga so it does that to the V4.

MS Sasuke hasn't demonstrated to equip other objects other than Susano'O ribcage with Enton, but it was at his MS stage he unlocked Enton. Go reread his fights with E and Gaara.

I know he can use enton which is why I said 'enton arrow'.

The part where I questioned him being able to use enton was pertaining to the danzou fight.

 

[Rιver]

I know he can use enton which is why I said 'enton arrow'.

The part where I questioned him being able to use enton was pertaining to the danzou fight.

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He would have been able to, but it would have been pointless since Danzo can use Izanagi.

No, he can't use an Enton arrow because it requires massive amount of Amaterasu and that strains him too much. He hasn't demonstrated such ability either during MS stage.

 

[ARGUS]

did MS sasuke even have the MS arrow?

He used the susanoo arrow in his MS form multiple times

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enton would also make no difference

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i dont see why he wont be able to use it in his arrow here

Also, it's implied that sasuke would have been unable to avoid V1 bee if he didn't catch him in genjutsu, and V1 bee is how fast compared to Sandaime?

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the raikages speed is around the same ballpark as V1 Ay, so this implication isnt that vallid anymore

 

[Unorthodox]

how is kirin going to beat sandaime raikage when FRS which has the wind element couldn't?


FRS is hyped as a far greater wind attack. No one is amazed at the power of danzou's fuuton, Temari who's the most powerful fuuton user in the alliance is amazed at the power of FRS, and that's 100 chapters later which means it's the most powerful fuuton in the manga even with the higher powerscale.

Then we have the feats of FRS that I discuss in this thread:

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Mountain busting is something that would completely destroy a V3 susanoo based on feats, not just blow a hole in its back like danzou's fuuton did.

Now, unless you have evidence that Danzou's fuuton > FRS, all the evidence says FRS > Danzou's fuuton, and significantly at that.

Also, danzou's fuuton only did that to a V3, but sandaime raikage's nukite is by far the most penetrating attack in the manga so it does that to the V4.



I know he can use enton which is why I said 'enton arrow'.

The part where I questioned him being able to use enton was pertaining to the danzou fight.

when frs can level the uchiha hideout get at me you said no one was impressed by danzo's fuuton who knows danzo exactly?

kirin ends him or ****s him up bad

 

[NSUNSR]

With no intel Sasuke uses genjutsu on the Raikage and then cuts him in half with Susanoo.

 

[lanakui8]

when frs can level the uchiha hideout get at me

um, it can level the uchiha hideout, or at the very least gets pretty close to doing so as the thread i linked you to proves.

you said no one was impressed by danzo's fuuton who knows danzo exactly?

Why does anyone need to know danzou in order to judge the power of his attacks? If kishi wanted danzou's fuuton to be more powerful than FRS or a top-tier fuuton at that time in the manga, he would have given it a statement like what he gives FRS on multiple occasions.

kirin ends him or ****s him up bad

which is basically you flat out ignoring the manga since kirin >/= FRS << 1 finger nukite.

 

[lanakui8]

He used the susanoo arrow in his MS form multiple times

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enton would also make no difference

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i dont see why he wont be able to use it in his arrow here

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the raikages speed is around the same ballpark as V1 Ay, so this implication isnt that vallid anymore

Sasuke was implied to not have been capable of avoiding V1 Bee

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That can be attributed to being caught off guard as he didn't know bee's location unlike the first time he dodged bee.

 

[ARGUS]

Sasuke was implied to not have been capable of avoiding V1 Bee

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That can be attributed to being caught off guard as he didn't know bee's location unlike the first time he dodged bee.

Again, how is that any valid when he not only evaded him in their previous encounter
but also reacted and evaded V1 Ay, who most likely has the same speed as third raikage

third raikage being fast enough to blitz/pressure sasuke through his speed is just ridiculous when guys like even dodai kept track of him just fine,

 

[lanakui8]

Again, how is that any valid when he not only evaded him in their previous encounter
but also reacted and evaded V1 Ay, who most likely has the same speed as third raikage

because we are talking about sasuke's ability to consistently avoid someone, and his ability to do so while under the affects of MS strain.

third raikage being fast enough to blitz/pressure sasuke through his speed is just ridiculous when guys like even dodai kept track of him just fine,

why does dodai keeping track of him a downgrade to sandaime's speed?
First off, unless dodai has some poor reaction feats, then dodai's reactions are based on sandaime raikage's speed, not the otherway around.
Second, dodai was the right-hand man of Sandaime raikage and he's probably the strongest non-kage on the whole battlefield who not only is a pure defensive fighter, but also knows sandaime's arsenal better than anyone. His defenses are so powerful that he took less damage from madara's meteors than gaara did, and he was able to stop sandaime's four finer nukite. How is someone like that reacting to Sandaime and defending against his attacks a downside for the raikage?

 

[Blunt]

because we are talking about sasuke's ability to consistently avoid someone, and his ability to do so while under the affects of MS strain.

I'm sorry for barging in here, but in this matchup it's EMS Sasuke, who has no strain and far superior precognition. Maybe, somewhere the conversation switched to MS Sasuke, but that should be irrelevant at this point.

 

[BLAZE]

Sasuke takes it

 

[KidGamer65]

EMS Sasuke w/ thread restrictions beats the Raikage mid difficulty. Take away all forms of the black flame and he loses. Degrade him to MS and give him the black flames, he still loses.

 

[Conspirator.]

EMS sasuke should beat the 3rd with mid to high difficulty.

 

[Haizaki]

EMS Sasuke w/ thread restrictions beats the Raikage mid difficulty. Take away all forms of the black flame and he loses. Degrade him to MS and give him the black flames, he still loses.

Ah why do you think so? Is it because the Raikage can evade Susanoo's attacks including the arrow? Also how does the Raikage counter the black flames if this is MS Sasuke?

 

[Rιver]

Ah why do you think so? Is it because the Raikage can evade Susanoo's attacks including the arrow? Also how does the Raikage counter the black flames if this is MS Sasuke?

He probably meant that Sasuke wins in all scenarios.

 

[Apêx1]

I meant enton arrow.

My bad.

Sasuke had time to react to V1 bee the first time sasuke dodged him as he saw bee coming from a mile away. This time, sasuke didn't know where bee was till he was close and was not in a position to physically react to him (he was offguard). Karin wouldn't have been so concerned for sasuke's safety if sasuke wasn't in danger of getting a direct hit from the lariat.

No, they were actually pretty close to each other since Sasuke went to Bee, and was mid-air when Bee blitzed, yet somehow back flipped on bee's back. But he still countered, so I don't see the problem. If Bee actually hit him then I would agree, but he didn't, so this point is rather moot, as we don't know if Sasuke wanted to genjutsu all along. Sasuke said he can perceive his movements easily, and that Sasuke was still tired from the Itachi fight as Jugo said, so I don't see your point here, Karin wasn't necessary.

What speed feat from v1 bee leads you to believe he's faster than Ei or sandaime?

Base Bee was able to stop v2 Ay's blitz. I am not saying he was full blitz v2, because he was still in his transition state, but he stopped a mid v2 Ay, so I'd say he can do it. His reaction and striking speed feats are superior to Ay's. Ay only has movement going for him, and that wasn't as amazing as it seemed when he stopped Ay's punch. Just one example of Bee's speed, Bee is here [

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], Ay blitzes KCM Naruto from the very distance they are apart in that scan, Bee covers it and stops Ay [

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]. v1 Bee is much faster, so I put him at above v1 Ay, given the difference in capabilities.

no i'm pretty sure sasuke's body abilities take a dip even when he was in the danzou fight. Also when did MS sasuke use enton?

MS Sasuke used Enton on Ay?..It's not as adept as his EMS, but it's definitely existent and works rather well since he could form them with his Kagutsuchi nicely.

Since when is Kirin anywhere near the penetrating power of hellstab? Kirin by feats and hype isn't even on another level than FRS, and hellstab is far more penetrative than that.

What? Bruh.. Kirin is Penetrative power and blunt force. It's like putting a nail and bashing it with a hammer, it's the best of both worlds. Look at Sasuke standing on that piece [

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] and then look at that piece in comparison to the rest of the mountain [

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]. Kirin is barely comparable to that platform Sasuke was standing on, maybe COFRS is, but FRS is definitely not close to it. Kirin took down the entirety of that place, it's on another league when compared to COFRS and those measly jutsu's. So no, Hellstab doesn't compare to Kirin, which is in its own league.

er, V3 didn't survive kirin, whatever susanoo was used was completely destroyed. Also, we don't know what version of susanoo was used to survive kirin, and if danzou's fuuton while enhance by baku's suction gets crapped on by the hype FRS receives 100 chapters later when powerlevels are far greater, then a V4 susanoo was used to block kirin or Kirin is just not as powerful as you think it is.

I meant the user surviving, but alright. No, we know for a fact a v4 wasn't used, because v4 showed that it took time to create since it's an entire armor atop of the normal v3 Susano. Itachi showed that it took him time to create it, no chance that he could create v4 in an insanely small time-frame. No, you are simply underrating Baku's Suction and Susano's potential weak spot from behind.