Naruto full power vs sasuke full power with intent to kill

[KidGamer65]

And where is your proof for this?

I don't remember Naruto using (at least current Naruto) same attack of different sizes with same amount of chakra. If u can prove me that he can use more number of TBBs with the same amount of chakra that he used for those two jutsu then I might agree with u.

The proof is he gathered Nature Energy, Sasuke felt it and saw him generating his attacks. Thus he used that Nature Energy to form the Rasen Shuriken he threw at Sasuke. That simple. You are the one who claimed he can make more Bijuu Dama, but since the amount of Nature Energy he canonically put into his final attack remains the same, all he ends up doing is spreading out that energy. I have no idea what you are talking about with anything in this top reply. This is simple math buddy. More Nature Energy isn't going to be put in there if he doesn't have anymore to put in there.

As far as I know TBB principle is more chakra = bigger jutsu but I don't think those final attacks are that much bigger than the ones that were used against Kaguya.

Lol. Too bad the explosion completely disagrees with you.

No one said otherwise but the point is how can u say that Naruto has less Natural energy back then? He clearly made more jutsu of nearly same size against someone stronger than Sasuke so I have no reason to believe that he has more energy now. No need to mention there is noway in hell for Kyuubi to collect all of Naturall energy on earth that quickly. We already know that it takes considerable amount of time for Kyuubi to even restore himself let alone gathering all of NE on earth.

What the hell? Naruto has been fighting with his Rikudo Senjutsu Chakra, that is it, this whole entire time, now he decides to take in more on top of that and you are actually saying that he doesn't have more? 2+2 is 4 buddy, not 1. That is basically what you are saying here. Naruto doesn't gather Nature Energy only to have less. Whether he gathered all of it on Earth makes no difference.

And he did as the Raw of 697 says. Not interested in what you think of Kurama's limits.

I didn't said that Naruto was holding back but he's low on juice which is why he can only produce 2 TBB's with available chakra at that time but if he has more juice then Sasuke is done for.

Naruto wasn't low on juice. He had enough chakra to spam Bijuu Dama, he made 3 or 4 Kurama Avatar clones, yet he's supposedly "Low on Juice"? He takes in a shitload of Nature Energy yet you say he's low on juice?

Stop making excuses.

He just combined his clones so you are automatically implying that his avatar has gotten stronger?

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3 Headed Avatar with 6 Arms>>>>>Single Kurama Avatar. That Avatar has equal physical stats to Sasuke's Bijuu Susanoo, which fodderized 4 of Naruto's Kurama Avatars.

Why do I even bother with some people?

Regardless, If Naruto really used all of nature energy on earth then he has to combine it with his own chakra to creat senjutsu chakra and we both know that Naruto's chakra is clarly not enough to combine it with all of NE on earth to form senjutsu chakra. Even if he did the attack size shouldn't be that small as the amount of chakra in them is enormous.

Not gonna argue over how much it is. My point is he took in a lot and that is exactly what happened.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

He put all that Nature Energy into his final attacks. When I said quantity isn't always power, I'm referring to the amount of techniques he used. Him making another attack only splits up that Nature Energy he got, so in the end he's only making more attacks, not stronger attacks.

1 full glass of water or 2 of the same glasses filled halfway. Which one has more water? Lol, exact same principle here.

I haven no interest in arguing if Naruto's stronger than Sasuke. I know they're equal. However, I disagree with this individual point Kidgamer. I don't think Naruto used up all of his natural energy in the attack. He lost his natural energy because the explosion wrecked him, which does reduce chakra.

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Naruto was flat-out low on chakra itself. Now, if he used up all of his chakra in an attack, then that would have destroyed his avatar long before the explosion did, so there was still chakra in the avatar. Either A. The damage Naruto received messed him up to the point where he lost his chakra. (remember, chakra=spiritual+physical energy, a damaged body means<ability to produce chakra) B. All the chakra was put into the avatar itself, which went away when the explosion wiped it out.


It's also extremely doubtful that it's possible to use up all of the chakra of the bijus in one go. (Sasuke).


I'm positive Naruto could make more of them equally as powerful. After all, Ashura could produce much more orbs (I'm positive this was TBBRS made from TSBs)

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This begs the question why he didn't make more. However, I think he didn't have the time.

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Because of the fact that Sasuke's Susanoo required little prep, he managed to set up his attacks long before Naruto. This put Naruto into a spot where he had to react immediately. It's may not have been possible to make several TBBRS.


Does this make Naruto better? Not really. Sasuke could activate his technique any time he wants, while Naruto has to be motionless, even though it's only for a little bit, to get into the state where he can unleash his full power. The fact that he used wind style, and both of them were equally effected may imply that his TBBRS alone is not powerful enough, so he had to combine its power with wind style to weaken Sasuke's attack, meaning multiple TBBRS could be required to equal Sasuke's arrow.

 

[KidGamer65]

I haven no interest in arguing if Naruto's stronger than Sasuke. I know they're equal. However, I disagree with this individual point Kidgamer. I don't think Naruto used up all of his natural energy in the attack. He lost his natural energy because the explosion wrecked him, which does reduce chakra.

Kurama said that if he hadn't gathered that energy, Sasuke would have blown them apart, so that energy did go into the attack. Not to mention as soon as Naruto receives the energy, he forms those two Rasen Shuriken.

Naruto was flat-out low on chakra itself.

No, he wasn't.

Now, if he used up all of his chakra in an attack, then that would have destroyed his avatar long before the explosion did, so there was still chakra in the avatar. Either A. The damage Naruto received messed him up to the point where he lost his chakra. (remember, chakra=spiritual+physical energy, a damaged body means<ability to produce chakra) B. All the chakra was put into the avatar itself, which went away when the explosion wiped it out.

Never said he used up all his chakra, I said he used hat Nature Energy that he gathered and put it into his attack.

It's also extremely doubtful that it's possible to use up all of the chakra of the bijus in one go. (Sasuke).

Naruto doesn't have all the chakra of all the Bijuu.

I'm positive Naruto could make more of them equally as powerful. After all, Ashura could produce much more orbs (I'm positive this was TBBRS made from TSBs)

Asura isn't using the same attack as Naruto, as you can clearly see, and I've already explained why Naruto isn't making more equally as powerful. So no.\

Lol. He can't even use BDRS when there is no Rasen Shuriken, nor is there a Bijuu Dama as he isn't a Jinchuuriki.

This begs the question why he didn't make more. However, I think he didn't have the time.

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Which is an excuse, a poor one at that. They all form at the same time, if he was able to form 2, he'd be able to form more in the rest of his hands. But he didn't, so I have no reason to believe he can.

Because of the fact that Sasuke's Susanoo required little prep, he managed to set up his attacks long before Naruto. This put Naruto into a spot where he had to react immediately. It's may not have been possible to make several TBBRS.

Yeah, no.

Does this make Naruto better? Not really. Sasuke could activate his technique any time he wants, while Naruto has to be motionless, even though it's only for a little bit, to get into the state where he can unleash his full power. The fact that he used wind style, and both of them were equally effected may imply that his TBBRS alone is not powerful enough, so he had to combine its power with wind style to weaken Sasuke's attack, meaning multiple TBBRS could be required to equal Sasuke's arrow.

I get it, but you are still wrong though.


What Naruto used was his most powerful attack and I have zero reason to believe he can do better. You people seriously need to quit it with the excuses.

 

[Transcendence]

Either way, extreme difficulty. Naruto didn't use the power of the other Bijuu, which could have saved him in some cases (5 Tails coral body when Sasuke tried to blitz him from behind would have had Sasuke's hand bleeding and Naruto with the advantage), and given him the upper hand, whereas Sasuke could have taken the Bijuu power earlier. If Naruto has the power of the Bijuu and Ashura's Avatar on top of it, I lean more towards Naruto, but Indra's Arrow will always do more damage than Naruto's attacks unless Naruto preps for absorbing all that nature energy.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Kurama said that if he hadn't gathered that energy, Sasuke would have blown them apart, so that energy did go into the attack. Not to mention as soon as Naruto receives the energy, he forms those two Rasen Shuriken.






No, he wasn't.




Never said he used up all his chakra, I said he used hat Nature Energy that he gathered and put it into his attack.


Naruto doesn't have all the chakra of all the Bijuu.


Asura isn't using the same attack as Naruto, as you can clearly see, and I've already explained why Naruto isn't making more equally as powerful. So no.\

Lol. He can't even use BDRS when there is no Rasen Shuriken, nor is there a Bijuu Dama as he isn't a Jinchuuriki.




Which is an excuse, a poor one at that. They all form at the same time, if he was able to form 2, he'd be able to form more in the rest of his hands. But he didn't, so I have no reason to believe he can.



Yeah, no.




I get it, but you are still wrong though.


What Naruto used was his most powerful attack and I have zero reason to believe he can do better. You people seriously need to quit it with the excuses.

1. Not so sure about that. How is that linked with "using all of his natural energy?" Natural energy increases attack power. The sheer amount could have put him into a sort of "super sage mode." It doesn't mean he was using it as a one-shot ability.


2. I meant after they were blown up, not before. Don't confuse the 2. Naruto and Sasuke clearly are in bad shape for chakra.


3. Naruto doesn't have all the chakra of the bijus, but Sasuke does aside from half Kurama and few fragements. That's why I put Sasuke parentheses. Sasuke was horribly low on chakra. Therefore, if what you're saying is true for Naruto about using up his ability, then it's also applicable to Sasuke. Sasuke would have to had used up the entire chakra of the biju and most of his own chakra by your line of thinking. If this were the case, then this would be essentially a technique that could one-shot Kaguya or some crap like that.


4. Perhaps.


5. Conversely, I have no reason to believe that Naruto and Sasuke could only use these techniques once as it was never stated they lost their chakra because they put too much into their attacks.

 

[KidGamer65]

1. Not so sure about that. How is that linked with "using all of his natural energy?" Natural energy increases attack power. The sheer amount could have put him into a sort of "super sage mode." It doesn't mean he was using it as a one-shot ability.

Regardless my point stands. Zero reason to believe that Naruto can make a stronger attack. I'll concede the "Nature Energy into the attacks" point though. Naruto making more is completely impossible anyway since he needed 3 arms for each ball, and he only has 6.

2. I meant after they were blown up, not before. Don't confuse the 2. Naruto and Sasuke clearly are in bad shape for chakra.

Ok.

3. Naruto doesn't have all the chakra of the bijus, but Sasuke does aside from half Kurama and few fragements. That's why I put Sasuke parentheses. Sasuke was horribly low on chakra. Therefore, if what you're saying is true for Naruto about using up his ability, then it's also applicable to Sasuke. Sasuke would have to had used up the entire chakra of the biju and most of his own chakra by your line of thinking. If this were the case, then this would be essentially a technique that could one-shot Kaguya or some crap like that.

Sasuke doesn't have them either, he only has it in his Susanoo, not his body.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Regardless my point stands. Zero reason to believe that Naruto can make a stronger attack. I'll concede the "Nature Energy into the attacks" point though. Naruto making more is completely impossible anyway since he needed 3 arms for each ball, and he only has 6.


Ok.


Sasuke doesn't have them either, he only has it in his Susanoo, not his body.

I hate subjective events in the manga. I wish Kishi gave something that made which view is correct.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

The raw translation says that he got all of the NE on the planet, the only thing in question is its reliability. Thanks for putting the attack into perspective though, I've been wondering how strong and large that explosion was.

Meh, I'll wait for Viz. As that's what is "Cannon" for us. Im a skeptic by nature, so I don't puch much faith in fanlations.​

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[adeshina365]

taKL > Viz

Naruto gathered all Nature Energy on earth to combat Sasuke.

 

[adeshina365]

We still haven't seen Rinnegan Sasuke go all out...we only learned in chapter 697 that Sasuke can use Preta Path...

Kishi needs to stop holding Sasuke back......though maybe Kishi can't be blamed, anyone who makes use of the Rinnegan in combination with Uchiha doujutsu to it's full extent is simply invincible.

 

[AntonChigurh]

We still haven't seen Rinnegan Sasuke go all out...we only learned in chapter 697 that Sasuke can use Preta Path...

Kishi needs to stop holding Sasuke back......though maybe Kishi can't be blamed, anyone who makes use of the Rinnegan in combination with Uchiha doujutsu to it's full extent is simply invincible.

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That's why Kishi had to soften Naruto up to make it interesting this fight

 

[AntonChigurh]

We still haven't seen Rinnegan Sasuke go all out...we only learned in chapter 697 that Sasuke can use Preta Path...

Kishi needs to stop holding Sasuke back......though maybe Kishi can't be blamed, anyone who makes use of the Rinnegan in combination with Uchiha doujutsu to it's full extent is simply invincible.

Any Senjutsu user can counter the Rinnegan btw....

 

[KidGamer65]

Meh, I'll wait for Viz. As that's what is "Cannon" for us. Im a skeptic by nature, so I don't puch much faith in fanlations.​

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I wouldn't really call it a "fanlation" since he's a native. He reads that like we read English. VIZ sometimes twists the words to cater to the American audience regardless, so in reality the best message comes from the raws.

Not to mention VIZ has already been posted here I believe.

We still haven't seen Rinnegan Sasuke go all out...we only learned in chapter 697 that Sasuke can use Preta Path...

Kishi needs to stop holding Sasuke back......though maybe Kishi can't be blamed, anyone who makes use of the Rinnegan in combination with Uchiha doujutsu to it's full extent is simply invincible.

Lol...stop. Just stop.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

I wouldn't really call it a "fanlation" since he's a native. He reads that like we read English. VIZ sometimes twists the words to cater to the American audience regardless, so in reality the best message comes from the raws.

Not to mention VIZ has already been posted here I believe.

I didn't mean it in that sense, its about what's official. There's no such thing as perfect translation either, Viz translators are probably native speakers as well.​

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[Unorthodox]

Preta path shits on Naruto's arsenal if Sasuke rinnegan was fully developed this fight would not have been that close and we all know that.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Preta path shits on Naruto's arsenal if Sasuke rinnegan was fully developed this fight would not have been that close and we all know that.

And Naruto didn't even get to use the other 8 buijuu's versatility. So no matter how you look at it, they will always be equal as Kishimoto attended it to be.

 

[adeshina365]

Lol...stop. Just stop.

Stop denying the truth, if Kishi let Sasuke go all out, he would stomp even Kaguya.

 

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Stop denying the truth, if Kishi let Sasuke go all out, he would stomp even Kaguya.

Man, I'm a Sasuke fan and you know that's utter BS. By that logic we can say the same for Naruto who didn't use any of the Bijuu's KKG at all, and we've seen how powerful those are. Same with Kaguya herself. If she had no remorse and didn't act like a buffoon in the beginning of the fight, the entire world would be Zetsu's.

 

[adeshina365]

Man, I'm a Sasuke fan and you know that's utter BS. By that logic we can say the same for Naruto who didn't use any of the Bijuu's KKG at all, and we've seen how powerful those are. Same with Kaguya herself. If she had no remorse and didn't act like a buffoon in the beginning of the fight, the entire world would be Zetsu's.

IMO, Naruto can solo Kaguya as well.

If Sasuke was allowed to use all Rinnegan paths (including Rinneshift), and full use of Susanoo (Susanoo chidori etc.) Kaguya wouldn't stand a chance. It was obvious in that fight that Kishimoto was artificially restricting Sasuke.

 

[KidGamer65]

I didn't mean it in that sense, its about what's official. There's no such thing as perfect translation either, Viz translators are probably native speakers as well.​

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What's official isn't always what conveys the true meaning, especially since once again, VIZ has been known to skewer the meaning in some cases just to cater to American auidences.

Preta path shits on Naruto's arsenal if Sasuke rinnegan was fully developed this fight would not have been that close and we all know that.

Lol. Preta Path is just an overwanked jutsu overwanked by the fanboys of anyone who has the Rinnegan. Manga has already shown that Preta Path is worthless in large scale combat, as Sasuke neglected to use it until after the strong techniques were done being thrown around.

But of course, the fans will always disagree with manga canon.

Naruto=Sasuke. You and adeshina are going to need to deal with it.

Stop denying the truth, if Kishi let Sasuke go all out, he would stomp even Kaguya.

Lol, not a chance in hell. I don't know why Sasuke fans and Naruto fans think that them not using stuff inferior to their best techniques (Bijuu's abilities, Rinnegan techniques) is called "holding back." That's like saying Naruto is holding back by not using Oodama Rasengan anymore. Using weaker techniques isn't going to provide a better result than stronger techniques.

Sasuke could be current and Kaguya would still slap him around.