Minato might not be a perfect sage

[solo king]

Just thought people should take this into consideration

we don't know if you can undergo the imperfect transformation as an edo. It's entirely possible without certain organs/chakra paths/blood "overdosing" on sage chakra may not be possible.

Maybe the transformation occurs slower then his body can regenerate

Etc etc. The point is we can't really call him a perfect sage when he's an edo tensei using it. Too many variables.

There's no proof he is or isn't a perfect sage, so don't call me wrong

 

[HENI]

Hashirama was able to go into SM as an edo. Minato just never mastered it.

 

[spade3dg]

Hashirama was able to go into SM as an edo. Minato just never mastered it.

But he was a perfect sage. The only change that showed was his eyes. Signs of a perfect sage......

 

[ShiroShonen]

Cool beans

 

[lanakui8]

you can always find some kind of variable that makes it so that people can't 100% prove what they are arguing is true. Even if minato wasn't an edo, and entered SM while alive, you could come up with the argument that we don't know if minato had some kind of device on him that allowed him to gather chakra perfectly, or we don't know if the area minato was in had a concentration of natural energy that allowed minato to perform it perfectly then etc, or we don't know if kishi even completely botched the art in that chapter. Simply saying 'we don't know with 100% certainty' does not mean that there isn't any proof that something is probably the case, and that's all any argument can really hope to do: show that what it asserts is probably the case.

balancing natural energy with your own chakra is what determines if you are a perfect sage or not, and it has nothing to do with the composition of the body, it's purely to do with your skill at balancing natural energy with your chakra. So one can even answer the question that doesn't need to be answered: that if minato can enter it as an edo, he can enter it with a real body as well.

But even with the absence of that, you've given no positive reason to believe that he would not be able to accomplish it in real life, you've only stated that there could potentially be a positive reason to believe he would not be able to accomplish it in real life. And that isn't an argument. Until shown otherwise, minato can enter SM if he's alive, he just doesn't do it because it's not very feasable for most situations in battle.

 

[The Necromancer]

Minato is likely a perfect sage, but is unable to maintain the chakra ratio to balance the chakras as his chakra reserves are not large enough.

you can always find some kind of variable that makes it so that people can't 100% prove what they are arguing is true. Even if minato wasn't an edo, you could come up with the argument that we don't know if minato had some kind of device on him that allowed him to gather chakra perfectly, or we don't know if the area minato was in had a concentration of natural energy that allowed minato to perform it perfectly then etc.

balancing natural energy with your own chakra is what determines if you are a perfect sage or not, and it has nothing to do with the composition of the body, it's purely to do with your skill at balancing natural energy with your chakra. So one can even answer the question that doesn't need to be answered: that if minato can enter it as an edo, he can enter it with a real body as well.

But even with the absence of that, you've given no positive reason to believe that he would not be able to accomplish it in real life, you've only stated that there could potentially be a positive reason to believe he would not be able to accomplish it in real life. And that isn't an argument. Until shown otherwise, minato can enter SM if he's alive, he just doesn't do it because it's not very feasable for most situations in battle.

Actually, he doesn't do it in battle because he cannot maintain the balance long enough due to unknown issues. That is why Sage Mode Minato is not a debatable form, the same as Alive KCM Minato.

 

[PureSkillz]

You can't fluke a sage mode. The spiritual, physical and nature energy have to balance perfectly.
It's not overdosing on senjutsu chakra either that starts a toad transformation, it's too much nature energy in the mix.

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And lastly, Preta Path was turned to stone and it's just a body controlled by chakra recievers.. So I think an edo
would be able to have the same thing happen to them too.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Minato have perfect SM as Pa toad described it

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. Minato said he couldn't maintain it long and it takes time to knead senjutsu, that's exactly what Naruto was told about by Pa toad about his SM in Pein Arc. Naruto then called SM useless after that. Pa toad said he can't use it for extended periods and that he have to be completely still to gather natural energy

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SM Minato is the same as SM Naruto (Pein Arc). Minato just never needed to use it so did t use it in real combat. Pa toad description of perfect SM is proof Minato has PSM.

Edit: oh and Minato has a large chakra reserve, that's a requirement for learning SM as Pa toad told Naruto; that's so the natural energy doesn't overwhelm your chakra as fast while you're using the oil to learn how to see, sense, and gather natural energy yourself. Edo Minato is weaker than Alive Minato so already his reserves are lower then factor in that Edo Minato had his chakra absorbed by the God tree so he wouldn't have much chakra; he wasn't doing anything for a while after his chakra was absorbed and Tobirama was using him as a medium to FTG ninjas out of danger so Minato had time to replenish some chakra but he wouldnt be near half his reserves.