Why do people believe this is an arsepull?

[theacknowledgedone]

Minato having Sage Mode that is,

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I mean at what point was it not obvious;

1. When Naruto Summoned Gamabunta?

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2. When Lord Fukasaku talked of Naruto surpassing his...?

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3. When the Fourth summoned Gamabunta?

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Hurr Durr why didn't he use it against anyone?

Simple, it wasn't good for his style of battle. He only used it against Madara because he was the only one able to use Senjutsu at that point.

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[Chrisisaartist]

I totally agree!

 

[~Ethereal~]

Because we do.

 

[V h o]

I don't understand it either. Only reason I can think of, is Minato not being shown training for sage mode.

 

[WalksInShadows]

i completely agree. If anyone has noticed a particular pattern in Minato's fights, it's that he prefers being on the move. It was already plausible that he'd have that SM but didn't use it very often because of it's initial drawbacks.

 

[spade3dg]

All because you can summon an animal doesnt mean you are a sage. Oro, Sasuke, Sakura, Tsunade, Hiruzen, Hanzo, Danzo.

They all summoned animals. They arent sages.

The reason people call it an asspull is because it appeared out of nowhere. When he seen Naruto in sage mode do you remember what he said?

"Thats master jiraiyas sage mode" why would he call it that if he was a perfect sage?. Meaning he perfected it more than jiraiya.

it was completely out of nowhere. Those foreshadowed scans you showed dont mean he was a sage. It just showed he made a contract with the toads

 

[theacknowledgedone]

All because you can summon an animal doesnt mean you are a sage. Oro, Sasuke, Sakura, Tsunade, Hiruzen, Hanzo, Danzo.

They all summoned animals. They arent sages.

The reason people call it an asspull is because it appeared out of nowhere. When he seen Naruto in sage mode do you remember what he said?

"Thats master jiraiyas sage mode" why would he call it that if he was a perfect sage?. Meaning he perfected it more than jiraiya.

it was completely out of nowhere. Those foreshadowed scans you showed dont mean he was a sage. It just showed he made a contract with the toads

Because Jiraiya was more efficient with Sage Mode than Minato was. Why would you pride yourself on something you suck at?

 

[Pirate King]

people just love to complain about naruto idk why

 

[spade3dg]

Because Jiraiya was more efficient with Sage Mode than Minato was. Why would you pride yourself on something you suck at?

Minato. = Perfect sage. Meaning he was better at it than Jiraiya. Perfect sages are more powerful. And even if Jiraiya was better at it, he was still a sage.

He wpuld say "He knows sage mode" or something like that. Not "thats master jiraiyas sage mode "

 

[Ashura San]

All because you can summon an animal doesnt mean you are a sage. Oro, Sasuke, Sakura, Tsunade, Hiruzen, Hanzo, Danzo.

They all summoned animals. They arent sages.

The reason people call it an asspull is because it appeared out of nowhere. When he seen Naruto in sage mode do you remember what he said?

"Thats master jiraiyas sage mode" why would he call it that if he was a perfect sage?. Meaning he perfected it more than jiraiya.

it was completely out of nowhere. Those foreshadowed scans you showed dont mean he was a sage. It just showed he made a contract with the toads

Showing the summoning was to point out that everyone shown to summon toads has learned Sage Mode.

 

[Angelic.]

he didnt use it before like against juubito.
obviously being jaraiyas star student he would have it

 

[spade3dg]

Showing the summoning was to point out that everyone shown to summon toads has learned Sage Mode.

But it doesnt automatically mean he had it. If that was the case. All the other people I named could be sages of their respective animal summons too.

Minato had a contract with the toads. Meaning he could summon them. Yes.

Pa toad said Naruto surpassed his predecessors. Yes.

They said Naruto was the first perfect sage. How could that be possible if Minato perfected it before Naruto was born? Its an asspull plain and simple.

I like Minato. But thats the truth.

 

[super yang]

Simple, it wasn't good for his style of battle. He only used it against Madara because he was the only one able to use Senjutsu at that point.

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...which is why its an arsepull.

also because it means EVERY toad contractor is now a sage; incredulous if not implausible.
no, it wasn't foreshadowed at all.
and because it served no purpose & gave no further development to the most shallow of the mainstream characters(Minato),other than that scenario^^

 

[Sir Blades]

The only thing I dont understand is if its so bad then why does it look like perfect sage mode aesthetically speaking.

Does that mean that he can use Jiraiya level sage mode? Meaning that he can use sage mode for longer by gaining more frog like features?
Someone answer.

 

[super yang]

The only thing I dont understand is if its so bad then why does it look like perfect sage mode aesthetically speaking.

Does that mean that he can use Jiraiya level sage mode? Meaning that he can use sage mode for longer by gaining more frog like features?
Someone answer.

its an arsepull, there is no good answer & ur better off not trying to make sense of it.

senjutsu is already a step back 4 a ftg user, intuitively speaking.

 

[theacknowledgedone]

Minato. = Perfect sage. Meaning he was better at it than Jiraiya. Perfect sages are more powerful. And even if Jiraiya was better at it, he was still a sage.

He wpuld say "He knows sage mode" or something like that. Not "thats master jiraiyas sage mode "

You misunderstand me. Although Minato may have been stronger than Jiraiya, Sage Mode wasn't suited for his type of battle. There's a difference. That's not even the Viz Translation. The scan was just to prove a point that he noticed, "Oh hey Naruto learned Sage Mode."

he didnt use it before like against juubito.
obviously being jaraiyas star student he would have it

Yeah, because it wasn't tactically suited for his type of battle. Naruto was much more efficient with Senjutsu. He used it on Madara because it was his only option being the only one who could use Senjutsu, so he had to try.

 

[spade3dg]

You misunderstand me. Although Minato may have been stronger than Jiraiya, Sage Mode wasn't suited for his type of battle. There's a difference. That's not even the Viz Translation. The scan was just to prove a point that he noticed, "Oh hey Naruto learned Sage Mode."

Yeah, because it wasn't tactically suited for his type of battle. Naruto was much more efficient with Senjutsu. He used it on Madara because it was his only option being the only one who could use Senjutsu, so he had to try.

He said something similar to that in the viz and anime as well. It was a genuine asspull that had no payoff to it.

He used it once. Without anything leading up to it, and didn't mention it again. Didn't further the plot or solve anything. That b my friend. ..... is an asspull

 

[Sir Blades]

its an arsepull, there is no good answer & ur better off not trying to make sense of it.

senjutsu is already a step back 4 a ftg user, intuitively speaking.

I think he could find a way, senjutsu improves upon already insane abilities. But that's just my opinion.

 

[theacknowledgedone]

He said something similar to that in the viz and anime as well. It was a genuine asspull that had no payoff to it.

He used it once. Without anything leading up to it, and didn't mention it again. Didn't further the plot or solve anything. That b my friend. ..... is an asspull

Yeah, he used it because he was the only one who could use Senjutsu at that point in time. It was his only option, he didn't use it before because Naruto was there and was much more efficient with it. :vincent:

Wtf does it need to further the plot for? lol.

If you can't see it there is clearly no reason for us to keep on debating this.

 

[spade3dg]

I think he could find a way, senjutsu improves upon already insane abilities. But that's just my opinion.

It improves reflexes and taijutsu. So he would be OP with it and ftg blitz. It would help with his usual style. All he needs to do is charge before fighting.

Hell you seen how fast he gathered the senjutsu, it wouldn't be bad at all