What sasuke meant by "This isn't like before"

[Akx19]

I realize this thread may be completely pointless and that there has already been much discussion on this. But I was thinking about this earlier today and decided it type it and discuss it further.

The reason I'm posting this is due to this comment by Sasuke and what he really means.

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Up until now Sasuke's actions and motives have been driven by a furious thirst for revenge or the truth. Hes been lied to and kept in the dark, acting like an fool based on knowledge he didn't have (or rather, he thought he had). Sasuke's ignorance has led him through a lot of self-discovery and maturity in the series and now he's found his answers and finally developed an opinion of his own; rather than an opinion forced upon him by others.

Naruto's actions and motives have been driven by a furious need for attention, acceptance, anger, and a false sense of reality. He makes rash and foolish choices based on naive notions of peace and what is right. (or rather, what he thinks is right). Naruto's ignorance has led him through a lot of self discovery and maturity. He's now come to an understanding of people and what lies within their hearts and has developed an opinion of his own; An opinion drawn from the hardships and teachings of others.

Unlike the first time this fight is not that of children where emotions and ignorance lead you to fight for reasons you don't fully understand; A fight fueled by anger like a married couple who can't communicate properly.

This fight is that of men, those who have taken in the world and all of it's darkness, and taken a stance. Those who understand each other what they are trying to do; Unwaivering and willing to die for what they feel is right.

This fight is essential to solidify and validate either Naruto's or Sasuke's stance. Naruto would be a constant source of problems for Sasuke's new world and so he wants to kill naruto to make sure his dream happens. On the other hand, Sasuke would be a constant source of problems for Naruto's new world, but Naruto believes in accepting those problems and working together to move forward.

I think ultimately Naruto is right, however Sasuke brings a particularly valid point that without a strong hand to keep things in check, it will be too easy for the new world to fall back into darkness. And with Naruto there to spur the emotions of the people in the "wrong direction", his method will surely fail.

What do you think?

 

[Jcub]

I think you got it all sorted out just fine.

No one can do as Sasuke wants to do, its a manga so take everything with a grain of salt... but its impossible, and the time span he is trying to do it in would we washed away in a decade after he is gone. He would have to start searching and training others who ultimately never acquire his level of skill to hope to pull this off. It would end up in another rogue mercenary group or gang like akatsuki.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

I realize this thread may be completely pointless and that there has already been much discussion on this. But I was thinking about this earlier today and decided it type it and discuss it further.

The reason I'm posting this is due to this comment by Sasuke and what he really means.

Spoiler

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Up until now Sasuke's actions and motives have been driven by a furious thirst for revenge or the truth. Hes been lied to and kept in the dark, acting like an fool based on knowledge he didn't have (or rather, he thought he had). Sasuke's ignorance has led him through a lot of self-discovery and maturity in the series and now he's found his answers and finally developed an opinion of his own; rather than an opinion forced upon him by others.

Naruto's actions and motives have been driven by a furious need for attention, acceptance, anger, and a false sense of reality. He makes rash and foolish choices based on naive notions of peace and what is right. (or rather, what he thinks is right). Naruto's ignorance has led him through a lot of self discovery and maturity. He's now come to an understanding of people and what lies within their hearts and has developed an opinion of his own; An opinion drawn from the hardships and teachings of others.

Unlike the first time this fight is not that of children where emotions and ignorance lead you to fight for reasons you don't fully understand; A fight fueled by anger like a married couple who can't communicate properly.

This fight is that of men, those who have taken in the world and all of it's darkness, and taken a stance. Those who understand each other what they are trying to do; Unwaivering and willing to die for what they feel is right.

This fight is essential to solidify and validate either Naruto's or Sasuke's stance. Naruto would be a constant source of problems for Sasuke's new world and so he wants to kill naruto to make sure his dream happens. On the other hand, Sasuke would be a constant source of problems for Naruto's new world, but Naruto believes in accepting those problems and working together to move forward.

I think ultimately Naruto is right, however Sasuke brings a particularly valid point that without a strong hand to keep things in check, it will be too easy for the new world to fall back into darkness. And with Naruto there to spur the emotions of the people in the "wrong direction", his method will surely fail.

What do you think?

Do you remember? The Path Sasuke is following is a path his older brother has traveled and as clearly stated by Itachi himself it was a path that failed because he allowed no one in the secret and so tried to do it all himself and ultimately didn't succeed and now Sasuke is following this very same path where he will most likely end up in the same situation though he has more power then Itachi did he is doing the same thing that he did now allowing others to help him but shouldering all the hate from everybody and becoming the one enemy they can fight and he assumes because he has the Rinnegan and Sharigan he is immortal but he isn't. Obito and Madara had the same and even stronger abilities e.g Madara but they were eventually beaten.

Sasuke's path and logic will fail him because he didn't realize his brothers true wish for him and also he fails to learn from Madara or Obito.

I don't think Sasuke wouldn't be a problem in Naruto's view of the next stage for the Ninja World no matter the situation because since he views him as his brother he will do what's necessary to save and help him even if its saving Sasuke from himself.

 

[Cael]

That's very well thought out, I like it, .
My understanding of it however was that he wanted to kill naruto because naruto is the last person in this world that he love, similar to how he loved his brother. and that the reason why he wanted to kill naruto was because he can not have any feeling of love in his heart, or else he won't be fully ready to be the one to take on the darkness.

such as being able to execute and judge others without no trace of feelings whatsoever

but you made a solid point. Naruto would cause a problem for sasuke new world, after all he is the only one capable of destroying that plan.

 

[patrickscott]

As explained in the manga. The whole point of this fight is to determine who's ideals are more valuable and important. Though this fight will probably end in Naruto winning, it's clear Sasuke puts more passion into the achievement of his vision of a revolution. If this was an unbiased manga I believe it could have had a better end, instead of a repetitive fight.

 

[Angelic.]

nicely said. we've already seen that severing the link of feelings ends up in failure.
sasuke is taking up kaguyas path. having power to keep things in check wont work.

 

[ItachiSan03]

I think you really nailed it. Not much to say, you pretty much covered it all XD