[VS] DSM Kabuto vs FTG duo

[KingHashirama]

I never said he was.

Capture all the Snakes? Good luck just getting past his inorganic arts, or tayuya genjutsu. And no he dosen't need a medium for rebirth.

And then it grew back and connected easily. Kabuto will do the same. Base kabuto tanked rasengan. SM kabuto with all these buffs shouldn't even be fazed by it.

True but it's not as versatile as kabuto's.

See you guys keep on mentioning these jutsus.... Yet he nearly got killed by Itachi and Sasuke who evern't trying to kill him.. You'll say "different moveset".. well how is it different, Tobirama and Minato are way more deadly. They don't need Susanoo and etc. They have speed.

Oral rebirth requires a medium.

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It doesn't need to be verstaile as Kabuto, it simply needs to provide Minato with some senjutsu chakra to destroy Kabuto effectively in strike. And that will be accomplish by his SM. He doesn't need all the fancy crap Kabuto has to match him. Skills alone are a match for Kabuto.

Yes it regenerated in couple of seconds.. not instant. However, if Tobirama and Minato go on a ftg spam attack.. how is he gonna regenerate.. and slowly its gonna come to his head.

And Tayuya's genjutsu is too weak for Tobirama.. and Minato.

 

[Bogard]

Kabuto will become food for Gamabunta

 

[Apêx1]

I stated the only reason he stands a chance is because of edo tensei..... However you had it restricted.... DId i ever mention Kabuto in this fighting using edo tensei? rofl. Did i ever mention Manda 2, did i mention white rage? Did i post to someone else saying " oh no he needs edo tensei"... Notice that Edo tensei was never mentioned in mine or Kifflom's discussion when it came to using it in the fight.

Yea I said tobirama solos.. because it doesn't require both of them to beat Kabuto.. And now with BenjerminGaye... we are back to discussing a 2 vs 1 , where kabuto has 0 chance of winning.

A denier will remain in denial. Though, I have no reason to argue with you or your fallacious beliefs, retards don't change.

I'm sure he does, but it's like people think his body is untouchable and can't be hurt by either FTG users due to the liquid technique.

Yet I don't remember that jutsu being such an issue when the Uchiha bros fought him.

Nah, those are the people who don't understand Kabuto's liquefaction isn't like Suigetsu's.

Still, I can't possibly see how the FTG user will hurt him when he heals from any attack, tanks any attack by making his body block chakra/uses Kimimaro's bones enhanced by his SM or simply evades it. They need to mark him to hit him, and that isn't an easy task when you can manifest snakes from your body which are fast enough to catch a Kusanagi sword from point blank and dodge a Susano arrow, yet can inject a bite that kills. Kabuto just had too much defences with Kimi's bones, Karin/Oral Rebirth/White Snake/his yin healing, added with his ability to reduce damage by liquefying (not negate), Muki Tensei, his insane sensing/reflexes plus snakes constantly guarding his body.. How do they even bypass it

Kabuto will become food for Gamabunta

I'd think Bunta would have a hard time dodging Muki Tensei in a cave, or a Bone forest he has no intel on.

 

[Bogard]

I'd think Bunta would have a hard time dodging Muki Tensei in a cave, or a Bone forest he has no intel on.

Why would he need to? Remember you're talking about a versus against hiraishin users? Kabuto will directly be ported in his digestive stomach

 

[BenjerminGaye]

See you guys keep on mentioning these jutsus.... Yet he nearly got killed by Itachi and Sasuke who evern't trying to kill him..

when? They never even landed a direct hit on him. It was always glancing blows.

You'll say "different moveset".. well how is it different, Tobirama and Minato are way more deadly. They don't need Susanoo and etc. They have speed.

speed isn't outrunning sound genjutsu. They don't have amaterasu to cancel inorganic art. Nor do they have any tech powerful enough to break Kidomaru's webs.

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I thought you ment he can only do it through oro. But yeah you're right.

It doesn't need to be verstaile as Kabuto, it simply needs to provide Minato with some senjutsu chakra to destroy Kabuto effectively in strike.

But a single sm rasengan isn't putting kabuto down.

And that will be accomplish by his SM. He doesn't need all the fancy crap Kabuto has to match him. Skills alone are a match for Kabuto.

What skills. Cuz that's a rather broad. Term. I can easily say kabuto's intelligence is the reason they don't.

Yes it regenerated in couple of seconds.. not instant. However, if Tobirama and Minato go on a ftg spam attack.. how is he gonna regenerate.. and slowly its gonna come to his head.

for a continuous attack he'd have to be marked. Which he isn't, even if he does get marked he can remove it via oral rebirth (which also cancels all damage taken)

And Tayuya's genjutsu is too weak for Tobirama.. and Minato.

Traps two sharingan masters who have it in their genetics to break Genjutsu. Says it's too weak for two ppl who have no genjutsu feats to speak of.

 

[Rιver]

Kushina solos high diff.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Sound Genjutsu is useless as long as you have clones. They'll be unaffected by it(since Genjutsu was already ineffective against them) and effectively break their original out of it.

I still fail to understand why you are giving Itachi's genjutsu feats and passing it off to Kabuto's, when they both have different functions.

Kabuto's genjutsu halts the opponents moves too, and not just restrain them.

Lets look at it in a different perspective:

What chakra nature creates Susanoo and why was it shut down and nullified?
What chakra nature are Sasuke and Itachi's Genjutsu?
What chakra nature is Shikimaru's Hiden?
What chakra nature is Shadow Clone (or clone in general)?

What concludes that Shadow clones would not get nullified like Susanoo did to protect Itachi and Sasuke?


Finding these conclusions would lead to that if its a counter or not.

 

[Apêx1]

I still fail to understand why you are giving Itachi's genjutsu feats and passing it off to Kabuto's, when they both have different functions.

Kabuto's genjutsu halts the opponents moves too, and not just restrain them.

Lets look at it in a different perspective:

What chakra nature creates Susanoo and why was it shut down and nullified?
What chakra nature are Sasuke and Itachi's Genjutsu?
What chakra nature is Shikimaru's Hiden?
What chakra nature is Shadow Clone (or clone in general)?

What concludes that Shadow clones would not get nullified like Susanoo did to protect Itachi and Sasuke?


Finding these conclusions would lead to that if its a counter or not.

Not sure about these, but Cee said that when Sasuke used his Susano, he sensed the same chakra he did from his genjutsu.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Not sure about these, but Cee said that when Sasuke used his Susano, he sensed the same chakra he did from his genjutsu.

Well bring it back to the basics. It has to be either:

Fire Release
Water Release
Wind Release
Earth Release
Lightning Release
Yin Release
Yang Release
Yin-Yang Release

These are the release to make ninjutsu

 

[Apêx1]

Well bring it back to the basics. It has to be either:

Fire Release
Water Release
Wind Release
Earth Release
Lightning Release
Yin Release
Yang Release
Yin-Yang Release

These are the release to make ninjutsu

I'd assume all his MS techs are Yin, but that's conjecture.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I'd assume all his MS techs are Yin, but that's conjecture.

That can't be possible if all his MS are pure Yin. Sasuke and Itachi was able to use Yin release under Kabuto's genjutsu. But they couldn't use Susanoo under the genjutsu. So Susanoo can't be pure Yin.

 

[Apêx1]

That can't be possible if all his MS are pure Yin. Sasuke and Itachi was able to use Yin release under Kabuto's genjutsu. But they couldn't use Susanoo under the genjutsu. So Susanoo can't be pure Yin.

That's not an argument. There are many more factors involved ie not being capable of stabilising chakra under genjutsu, whereas you don't need to do such a thing when casting genjutsu.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

That's not an argument. There are many more factors involved ie not being capable of stabilising chakra under genjutsu,

Elaborate

whereas you don't need to do such a thing when casting genjutsu.

Implying?...

 

[Demonic.]

I still fail to understand why you are giving Itachi's genjutsu feats and passing it off to Kabuto's, when they both have different functions.

Kabuto's genjutsu halts the opponents moves too, and not just restrain them.

Lets look at it in a different perspective:

What chakra nature creates Susanoo and why was it shut down and nullified?
What chakra nature are Sasuke and Itachi's Genjutsu?
What chakra nature is Shikimaru's Hiden?
What chakra nature is Shadow Clone (or clone in general)?

What concludes that Shadow clones would not get nullified like Susanoo did to protect Itachi and Sasuke?


Finding these conclusions would lead to that if its a counter or not.

Shikamaru was still able to use his shadow technique while he was immobilized. Don't see why clones will be shut down

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Shikamaru was still able to use his shadow technique while he was immobilized. Don't see why clones will be shut down

I address this, which I left question to get to your own conclusion:

Whats the difference between clones and shikimaru's shadow technique?

What chakra nature does it take to make a clone?
What chakra nature does it take to use Shikimaru's Shadow style?

 

[Apêx1]

Elaborate




Implying?...

Susano is a manifestation of Sasuke's chakra as is BM avatar a manifestation of Kurama's chakra. It needs to be controlled/stabalised in order to be up-kept. If Sasuke isn't stabilising his Susano then naturally, it goes away as it does when a user is separated from his Susano, thus no longer has control over it. Kabuto's genjutsu interfered with his ability to stabilise a mass of chakra consistently, thus the shroud was gone. Meaning genjutsu doesn't require control/stabilisation, it requires chakra moulding.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Susano is a manifestation of Sasuke's chakra as is BM avatar a manifestation of Kurama's chakra. It needs to be controlled/stabalised in order to be up-kept. If Sasuke isn't stabilising his Susano then naturally, it goes away as it does when a user is separated from his Susano, thus no longer has control over it. Kabuto's genjutsu interfered with his ability to stabilise a mass of chakra consistently, thus the shroud was gone. Meaning genjutsu doesn't require control/stabilisation, it requires chakra moulding.

Everything is correct, dont see the disagreement we are having. The conclusion still leads to what Susanoo was no longer able to be stablized while the users were still be able to mold chakra to perform Genjutsu. Genjutsu is in the category of Yin Release btw

 

[Gold Lightning]

Nah, those are the people who don't understand Kabuto's liquefaction isn't like Suigetsu's.

Still, I can't possibly see how the FTG user will hurt him when he heals from any attack, tanks any attack by making his body block chakra/uses Kimimaro's bones enhanced by his SM or simply evades it. They need to mark him to hit him, and that isn't an easy task when you can manifest snakes from your body which are fast enough to catch a Kusanagi sword from point blank and dodge a Susano arrow, yet can inject a bite that kills. Kabuto just had too much defences with Kimi's bones, Karin/Oral Rebirth/White Snake/his yin healing, added with his ability to reduce damage by liquefying (not negate), Muki Tensei, his insane sensing/reflexes plus snakes constantly guarding his body.. How do they even bypass it



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Well at least you know that unlike Suigetsu, Kabuto isnt actually made out of water.

And the op said no intel right? Whose to say FTG slash & FTG Level 2 Don't just blitz at the start before kabuto can react.

There's no starting distance either, so i assume it's not too far. Not that Minato's body flicker distance is short, I've seen him cross ridiculous distances.

Kabuto caught sasukes sword throw with his tail. If Minato throws 1 kunai at him, I'm sure he'd either just deflect it or catch it, not realizing his opponent can teleport to it, add to the fact that the ftg users would have marked each other and linked to each others markings. I really don't see why kabuto wouldn't get blitzed in this scenario. He isn't healing from multiple blows and slashes from both opponents at once.

You're acting like kabuto is god tier fast, he's still slower than both opponents.

 

[Joker]

Well at least you know that unlike Suigetsu, Kabuto isnt actually made out of water.

And the op said no intel right? Whose to say FTG slash & FTG Level 2 Don't just blitz at the start before kabuto can react.

There's no starting distance either, so i assume it's not too far. Not that Minato's body flicker distance is short, I've seen him cross ridiculous distances.

Kabuto caught sasukes sword throw with his tail. If Minato throws 1 kunai at him, I'm sure he'd either just deflect it or catch it, not realizing his opponent can teleport to it, add to the fact that the ftg users would have marked each other and linked to each others markings. I really don't see why kabuto wouldn't get blitzed in this scenario.

Yeah, there's one problem with this. Even if he is blitzed, what is he getting put down with? A kunai? A rasengan? Please.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Yeah, there's one problem with this. Even if he is blitzed, what is he getting put down with? A kunai? A rasengan? Please.

I wonder if Kabuto can regenerate from 5 paper bombs. He isn't a Juubi Jin, his body will get blown off in different directions