Jiraiyathesannin
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So its fairly obvious that League of Legends is the largest PC game in the world. At least according to their numbers (which years of observing current pc market trends etc leads me to be skeptical of), they have more CONCURRENT players on League of Legends, than steam's most popular game (Dota 2) has players TOTAL.
I'm going to explain objectively why not only is Dota 2 the CLEARLY better game, but WHY league has more players:
Reasons Dota 2 >>> League of Legends:
Its launcher doesn't use Adobe Air
Better game engine and TRUE 3d. At any given moment, you can actually move around the camera in game and check out the 3d models beautifully portrayed in Source engine (and if you know what you're doing, in Source 2.0)
Better visuals. Like stated before, the game runs beautifully in source 2. Not only does it look like a video game and not like an aliasing nightmare of a cartoon, but the lighting is just (pardont the pun) leagues above LOL. Leage makes me feel like i'm playing some play station 1 dungeon crawler splashed with random colors
Better balance: Despite Leauge having 1000+ employees working on league of legends and valve only having 28 employee's working on dota 2, dota 2 has better balancing and more frequent updates. They adapt the meta in order to organically change how the game is played to keep things fresh. Riot "forces" you into certain roles whereas valve changes character and item abilities in order to naturally make the game change. There is more of a counter ecosystem in Dota 2. You pick not only to outplay specific heros, but for overall team balance. After hours of patrolling league forums by league members, they all say that in terms of "competitive picking" goes, you just try to pick the best person of that role. Pick the best jungler you can, the best tank/melee that you can etc.
Better hero's. Some may argue that this is subjective. Some people like the "tig ole bitties" approach to league character design. Thats valid. However, while league has a good few responses for each character dialogue wise... every SINGLE hero in dota 2 has 20 minutes or more of dialoguel. Holy shit.
Heros are FREE. Not only do you not have to spend any real money for heros, they're all available from your FIRST MATCH. This is another way the meta is more organic. Also, the same 15 or so "champs" in lol are used in the competitive scene. In the international 2014 dota championship, out of their 100+ hero pool, all but like 13 heros were played (i'll have to check that number for sure, but its a small proportion of their roster)
The game is very challenging. Leauge of legends is kinda like candy crush. Its bright, colorful, easy, and casual. Hop on, play a little bit. Dota 2 is like chess. Its refined, it has way more strategy. Every hero has different move speeds, attack animations, attributes, etc. Runes don't require you to play more or pay more like masteries. Denying your own creeps/allies during the laning phase gives more complexity and control over the lane. Blocking your creeps with your body so that you can have safer farm under tower is a HUGE complexity advantage. Waiting till the 45 second mark to attack a neutral camp so that you can pull them to meet your creep wave to pull the lane, or attacking a camp at the 22 or 52 second mark so that you can stack the creep camps, or even placing a ward in the enemies ancients or pull camps isn't something you do in league.
Items have more actives, allowing for more varieity throughout the game. You need a speed boost? Here's your butterfly/mask of madness. Oh, you need a disable? Here's a scythe of vise or a euls scepter. More mobility? try a blinkc dagger or a force staff. Oh you need to deal damage as you take it? grab a blade mail.
League of legends is play/pay more to win. In dota, every single person has the same chances from the very beginning
Better streaming: dota 2's client allows you to not only watch every match you've ever played, but to stream ongoing matches straight from their client. The international 2014 had a prize pool in the 10 millions, and just had a tournament taking up madison square garden.
Why league has more players:
Dota 2 is exclusive to steam users. Why any pc gamer wouldn't use something free like steam is BEYOND ME, but leauge players aren't really like hardcore pc gamers or anything.
League has been around much longer. Leauge has been around years, and dota 2 just came out of beta less than a year ago. People who left dota 1 after they got bored switched to league. After spending all that money in leauge, switching to dota is harder. Its a shame, thats how people got stuck with itunes.
The game is very easy for noobs. You can come into league, die 10 times in lane, and not really hurt your team. You don't lose gold when you die (not really), you don't give YOUR gold to the enemy, all you do is lose time in lane. And after you've died several times, killing you yields less gold. In dota 2, feed a riki 3 or so times and he's usually unstoppable (yes you can buy wards, but gem is pretty core on GOOD riki players, and they use manga/diffusal to remove dust). When i read the league forums, all i see is "omg dota is hardddddd, i'll stick to league".
The same reason why cod is so popular. DAMN TWELVE YEAR OLDS. I played some league before writing this. Everyone is a little kid. I've never met a dota player younger than 18. Like, ever. Usually they're in their twenties. Holy shit, the league players were either 12 or younger, or they were chinese. No wonder theres so many players.
Despite being poorly optimized, league can actually run on a baked potato. Dota 2 takes at least a competant processor and decent gpu to play on max.
Here's my argument. Most people don't give dota 2 the time it needs to get good. They're intimidated. I had friends who played and taught me. Its worth it. After maybe 10 games, you at least start to get it. There just isn't enough depth to league for me. You know... mcdonalds has more customers than my local french restaurant bertrands. And thats not because its cheaper. Its easy, its convenient, it takes no thought. Call of duty (unfortunately) has several more purchases than portal 2, or even half life 2. Its an arcady shooter. Nobody goes on for substance. The story mode is like 4 hours long, its not innovative, requires no thought, and is filled with 12 year olds. Its just how it is
I'll repost tonight before the new chapter and i'll edit this better. I just posted this between classes is all
I'm going to explain objectively why not only is Dota 2 the CLEARLY better game, but WHY league has more players:
Reasons Dota 2 >>> League of Legends:
Its launcher doesn't use Adobe Air
Better game engine and TRUE 3d. At any given moment, you can actually move around the camera in game and check out the 3d models beautifully portrayed in Source engine (and if you know what you're doing, in Source 2.0)
Better visuals. Like stated before, the game runs beautifully in source 2. Not only does it look like a video game and not like an aliasing nightmare of a cartoon, but the lighting is just (pardont the pun) leagues above LOL. Leage makes me feel like i'm playing some play station 1 dungeon crawler splashed with random colors
Better balance: Despite Leauge having 1000+ employees working on league of legends and valve only having 28 employee's working on dota 2, dota 2 has better balancing and more frequent updates. They adapt the meta in order to organically change how the game is played to keep things fresh. Riot "forces" you into certain roles whereas valve changes character and item abilities in order to naturally make the game change. There is more of a counter ecosystem in Dota 2. You pick not only to outplay specific heros, but for overall team balance. After hours of patrolling league forums by league members, they all say that in terms of "competitive picking" goes, you just try to pick the best person of that role. Pick the best jungler you can, the best tank/melee that you can etc.
Better hero's. Some may argue that this is subjective. Some people like the "tig ole bitties" approach to league character design. Thats valid. However, while league has a good few responses for each character dialogue wise... every SINGLE hero in dota 2 has 20 minutes or more of dialoguel. Holy shit.
Heros are FREE. Not only do you not have to spend any real money for heros, they're all available from your FIRST MATCH. This is another way the meta is more organic. Also, the same 15 or so "champs" in lol are used in the competitive scene. In the international 2014 dota championship, out of their 100+ hero pool, all but like 13 heros were played (i'll have to check that number for sure, but its a small proportion of their roster)
The game is very challenging. Leauge of legends is kinda like candy crush. Its bright, colorful, easy, and casual. Hop on, play a little bit. Dota 2 is like chess. Its refined, it has way more strategy. Every hero has different move speeds, attack animations, attributes, etc. Runes don't require you to play more or pay more like masteries. Denying your own creeps/allies during the laning phase gives more complexity and control over the lane. Blocking your creeps with your body so that you can have safer farm under tower is a HUGE complexity advantage. Waiting till the 45 second mark to attack a neutral camp so that you can pull them to meet your creep wave to pull the lane, or attacking a camp at the 22 or 52 second mark so that you can stack the creep camps, or even placing a ward in the enemies ancients or pull camps isn't something you do in league.
Items have more actives, allowing for more varieity throughout the game. You need a speed boost? Here's your butterfly/mask of madness. Oh, you need a disable? Here's a scythe of vise or a euls scepter. More mobility? try a blinkc dagger or a force staff. Oh you need to deal damage as you take it? grab a blade mail.
League of legends is play/pay more to win. In dota, every single person has the same chances from the very beginning
Better streaming: dota 2's client allows you to not only watch every match you've ever played, but to stream ongoing matches straight from their client. The international 2014 had a prize pool in the 10 millions, and just had a tournament taking up madison square garden.
Why league has more players:
Dota 2 is exclusive to steam users. Why any pc gamer wouldn't use something free like steam is BEYOND ME, but leauge players aren't really like hardcore pc gamers or anything.
League has been around much longer. Leauge has been around years, and dota 2 just came out of beta less than a year ago. People who left dota 1 after they got bored switched to league. After spending all that money in leauge, switching to dota is harder. Its a shame, thats how people got stuck with itunes.
The game is very easy for noobs. You can come into league, die 10 times in lane, and not really hurt your team. You don't lose gold when you die (not really), you don't give YOUR gold to the enemy, all you do is lose time in lane. And after you've died several times, killing you yields less gold. In dota 2, feed a riki 3 or so times and he's usually unstoppable (yes you can buy wards, but gem is pretty core on GOOD riki players, and they use manga/diffusal to remove dust). When i read the league forums, all i see is "omg dota is hardddddd, i'll stick to league".
The same reason why cod is so popular. DAMN TWELVE YEAR OLDS. I played some league before writing this. Everyone is a little kid. I've never met a dota player younger than 18. Like, ever. Usually they're in their twenties. Holy shit, the league players were either 12 or younger, or they were chinese. No wonder theres so many players.
Despite being poorly optimized, league can actually run on a baked potato. Dota 2 takes at least a competant processor and decent gpu to play on max.
Here's my argument. Most people don't give dota 2 the time it needs to get good. They're intimidated. I had friends who played and taught me. Its worth it. After maybe 10 games, you at least start to get it. There just isn't enough depth to league for me. You know... mcdonalds has more customers than my local french restaurant bertrands. And thats not because its cheaper. Its easy, its convenient, it takes no thought. Call of duty (unfortunately) has several more purchases than portal 2, or even half life 2. Its an arcady shooter. Nobody goes on for substance. The story mode is like 4 hours long, its not innovative, requires no thought, and is filled with 12 year olds. Its just how it is
I'll repost tonight before the new chapter and i'll edit this better. I just posted this between classes is all
