SM Madara vs BM Minato and BSM Naruto
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He doesn't need to, he can leave a few Kunai or a marking in the area.
Gedo Mazo's chains suppress Bijuu. Gedo Mazo stores Bijuu, not just any old chakra.
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Either could solo with full intel, also depending on Limbo's mechanics while used by a non-Juubi Jin.
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He swatted standard Bijuu Dama with his tails. No evidence that Madara is physically strong enough to do the same thing. Not to mention Super Bijuu Dama>>>Charged Bijuu Dama. So if Limbo tries to hit the attack, it does noting and Madara gets blown up.
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Kin and Gin had Bijuu Chakra, and they were inside the pot that Obito tossed into the Gedo's mouth, Samui and Atsui were also there. Those aren't the chains, so that doesn't prove that the chains can drag anything.
Nagato took their souls, not their chakra.
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Naruto only had a time limit from the start, due to his imperfect link with Kurama. Kurama mentioned that Naruto should wait a bit before transforming if he wanted a Total Bijuu Mode. [
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] Probably referring to a mode with no time limit. He also fought Obito for an extended period of time. So I'm sure Naruto has no limit, but Minato might.Besides, the time limit for Naruto is 8 minutes, if it even still exists, which I highly doubt, and if Minato has the same issue Naruto did, its 5 minutes for him. Madara isn't going to last that long against them.
How exactly do they take down Madara though? Bijuu Dama can be countered by knocking them down with Limbo, and CQC isn't going to work out for them since Madara is superior to both of them in that area.
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Unless Limbo holds them down and turns their heads away from Madara's general area, then Bijuu Dama can be used and fired at him. Not to mention Limbo has a time limit, so once it returns to Madara's body, he has no way to stop Bijuu Dama.
He only beat Tobirama in CQC, he's not taking out BSM Naruto or BM Minato. Together they'd destroy him in CQC. They are both much faster than him, especially Naruto, who has Bijuu Mode and Sage Mode boosting his abilities. He gets Frog Kata, which Madara can't see. Naruto's durability already let him take swords, and Han's kick with minimal damage. Bijuu Mode amps that, as that was only KCM, and Sage Mode amps it even further. Naruto has superior speed, strength, range (due to Frog Kata and Chakra Arms) and durability. Madara wouldn't even beat him in CQC let alone both of them.
Both of them are unaware of Limbo's time limit and they have no idea when the clone returns to Madara's body. Not to mention that he doesn't need to keep Limbo out for an extended period of time. He activates it when they're charging Bijuu Dama and then he takes the clone back in. Madara doesn't need to hold them down with a clone, an uppercut would work just fine as it would at least turn their heads up, so if they fired a Bijuu Dama it'd just go well over Madara, but I'm pretty sure every attack would knock them down completely, and they're not firing a Bijuu Bomb if they're on the floor, especially since it requires their hands to form the Bijuu Bomb and knocking them down would completely disrupt that action.
They're faster than him but he can definitely keep up with them given his reaction feats, and Limbo gives the advantage to Madara in CQC as it's definitely a stronger ability than Frog Kata. I'm pretty sure the Limbo clone deals more blunt force than Han's kick considering it knocked down every single Bijuu with physical attacks and it disoriented them for a couple of seconds. The clone can easily knock down Naruto and deal a killing blow by either snapping his neck or allowing Mokujin to slam down on him, or letting Mokuryu to sweep in and drain him of his chakra. If Naruto does manage to land a hit on Madara he instantly heals it via Hashirama's Sage Mode.
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Doesn't matter. They'll be trying to finish him with Bijuu Dama the whole time, unless they decide to stop for whatever reason, then them knowing about the time limit is irrelevant, the only need to fire when they aren't getting smacked around.
That strategy could work, but the Limbo has to actually get to them, and then hit them both before they fire Bijuu Dama. If they use Continuous Bijuu Dama, then he won't make it in time. If it does succeed, it needs to go back to Madara, rejoin with him, and then it needs to come out once again and hit them both before they can do the above, not happening.
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Due to the fast charge.
Besides, if they are trying to use Bijuu Dama on him the whole match, recalling Limbo won't be a good idea.
1. Naruto made barely any movement that would disrupt his molding of a Bijuu Dama.
2. No reason for Naruto to feel the impact when he's protected inside the Kurama Avatar, which is the thing getting hit.
Lol, forgot about Limbo. Madara does beat them in CQC.
Sure Minato could do that since he's Edo, but would that be a wise decision for Naruto when you factor in chakra consumption?
Since they're being fired off quickly, I assume they're weaker than their standard Bijuu Bombs, so if they do decide with that approach, Limbo wouldn't be an effective counter, which in that case, Shinsuusenju could come out and act as a meat shield (technically a wooden shield). Since the continuous Bijuu Bombs are weaker, I don't think they'd do much damage to the Mokuton construct, and if they then decide to go with standard Bijuu Bombs that require charge-up times, Madara could go with the Limbo clone. Or, Madara could go with the approach the Juubi used and have something collide with the first Bijuu Bomb which would detonate all the other ones as they're in close proximity to each other; Madara could use Jukai Koutan for that. I honestly think Madara having Mokuton and Limbo gives him too much versatility against these two.
-He fell to the ground [
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] (top right corner of the first panel).-Naruto's linked to his Kurama Avatar so whatever happens to that will affect Naruto in some way, and it's not so much as dealing damage to Naruto but more as getting the Avatar off balance which the Limbo clone can definitely achieve as it has done in canon.
lmao, you only just forgot one of Madara's strongest techniques.
Sorry for the late replies btw, I'm at work so I can't reply quickly.
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Limbo has enough strength to smack 9 Bijuu instantaneous, but has doesn't have strength to disturb the Chakra ratio of TBB by simply smacking Naruto and Minato? lol. Not only that, he has Asura Path rockets to throw at them, focused Shinra Tensei. He also has his black rods to disturb their Chakra network in preparation. He has many ways to disturb the Chakra ratio and make it explode towards them. TBB, if shot, gets held by Jukai Koutan and thrown back at them.
Not going to depth, since there is no need to. Naruto and Minato don't win, not in any world they survive against Madara.
Not going to depth, since there is no need to. Naruto and Minato don't win, not in any world they survive against Madara.
I agree with Benjamin here, they can't access their chakra. As said, he did not own Kurama anymore once subdued by the chains. If Minato warps himself, both Minato and Naruto warp out of the zone without their Bijuu. So regardless, once Gedo Mazo chains chain them, they game is over.
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The chains aren't the only to way to block their Chakra, black rods as well. Both Hashirama and Tobirama had their networks blocked by them, and with the duo's pressure points being blocked, they can't use any Jutsu or physically move. The chains are merely there to suppress Bijuu's Chakra.