[VS] Konan vs Kimimaro

[Beans2]

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. Kimimaro is without a doubt in a tier or two above Nagato in terms of durability. And to ensure she survives, she has to constantly make use of her paper form. Whereas Kimimaro only needs to summon a few bones or use his ranged shrapnel attack every once in a while.

Konan can't harm him; Not when Gaara couldn't get any significant blows on him, and when paper bombs have proved unreliable.

My guess is that Nagato activated Preta Path to absorb the explosions. But he didn't activate it quickly enough to completely absorb the initial blast. If you need an analogy, think of Manda escaping Deidara's C0 blast for the most part, but he was still fatally injured because he wasn't reverse summoned quickly enough.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

My guess is that Nagato activated Preta Path to absorb the explosions. But he didn't activate it quickly enough to completely absorb the initial blast. If you need an analogy, think of Manda escaping Deidara's C0 blast for the most part, but he was still fatally injured because he wasn't reverse summoned quickly enough.

But we see no signs of the Preta Path in use. Not to mention he'd have to absorb the chakra that's the catalyst for the explosions first. But, the entire idea of absorbing chakra from a seal is iffy, seeing as Samehada when encountered with an explosive tag didn't recognize nor absorb it.

 

[Beans2]

But we see no signs of the Preta Path in use. Not to mention he'd have to absorb the chakra that's the catalyst for the explosions first. But, the entire idea of absorbing chakra from a seal is iffy, seeing as Samehada when encountered with an explosive tag didn't recognize nor absorb it.

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He could have partially absorbed it in the bottom left panel, where Nagato was hidden from view by an explosion.

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, and what's more he calls it a "Fire attack" making me believe that those weren't ordinary paper bombs. They even seem to have a slightly different seal on them than Konan's paper bombs:

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Samehada can't absorb chakra as well as Preta Path can (it couldn't completely absorb Bee's V2 form when Nagato absorbed it easily) so that makes me think that a sudden burst of explosive chakra isn't able to be absorbed by Samehada, unlike Preta Path. It's not absorbing chakra from a seal (that's impossible), rather it's absorbing the explosion caused by the seal.

When we compare other feats of paper tag explosions, it makes no sense for Nagato to be able to outright tank that explosion. Hidan was blown to bits, and he was pretty durable. Konan blew off Obito's Zetsu arm

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, which was durable enough to completely block Suigetsu's sword. A single paper tag can blow up chunks of rocks easily

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[TheAncientCenturion]

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He could have partially absorbed it in the bottom left panel, where Nagato was hidden from view by an explosion.

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, and what's more he calls it a "Fire attack" making me believe that those weren't ordinary paper bombs. They even seem to have a slightly different seal on them than Konan's paper bombs:

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Samehada can't absorb chakra as well as Preta Path can (it couldn't completely absorb Bee's V2 form when Nagato absorbed it easily) so that makes me think that a sudden burst of explosive chakra isn't able to be absorbed by Samehada, unlike Preta Path. It's not absorbing chakra from a seal (that's impossible), rather it's absorbing the explosion caused by the seal.

When we compare other feats of paper tag explosions, it makes no sense for Nagato to be able to outright tank that explosion. Hidan was blown to bits, and he was pretty durable. Konan blew off Obito's Zetsu arm

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, which was durable enough to completely block Suigetsu's sword. A single paper tag can blow up chunks of rocks easily

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As far as we know and have been told; There's no difference in the seals used. And, it's clear that Nagato left the epicenter of the explosion, the cliff side. But he was still caught by the seals wrapping themselves around him. There's still zero evidence to suggest that the Preta Path was used. In the panel above Nagato's eyes we even see the explosion start to go off. We don't see the standard sphere that over comes Nagato nor a rush of chakra like what happened when he absorbed chakra from Killer Bee.

The idea that the explosion is chakra based is unfounded. If it were, Nagato's Preta Path would of completely stopped any damage.

Hidan's body wasn't cut up into pieces by the paper bombs, the strings are what did it. Unless explosions are now known for cutting people up, that is. Hidan's body was shaken by the force of the explosions into the wires that then cut him up. I mean, seriously. Sakura was able to endure a point blank usage of an explosive tag without any real damage.

I maybe able to think that the Zetsu body had notable durability if it wasn't constantly ripped off. Madara did it,

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. The fact it can destroy rocks is nothing, when the durability of Sakura is above such. And I don't think I need to spend my time explaining why Kimimaro's own durability trumps Sakura's, at least I hope not.

The summary of this all is; There's no evidence to point to your thoughts on Nagato using the Preta Path to buffer the explosion (Which, if chakra based would be zero damage. If it wasn't, there would be full damage.). Hidan's own injuries were due to the force of his body moving against the wires. Helped supported by Sakura even able to casually take a point black paper tag.

Kimimaro's able to withstand any of Konan's attacks easily, binding him down with paper is folly seeing as he escaped Gaara's bindings and can use the bone forest technique to escape that altogether.

 

[Haizaki]

Nagato absorbing the explosion is speculation though.

 

[Benjamin King]

Konan low diff.

 

[Beans2]

As far as we know and have been told; There's no difference in the seals used. And, it's clear that Nagato left the epicenter of the explosion, the cliff side. But he was still caught by the seals wrapping themselves around him. There's still zero evidence to suggest that the Preta Path was used. In the panel above Nagato's eyes we even see the explosion start to go off. We don't see the standard sphere that over comes Nagato nor a rush of chakra like what happened when he absorbed chakra from Killer Bee.

The idea that the explosion is chakra based is unfounded. If it were, Nagato's Preta Path would of completely stopped any damage.

Hidan's body wasn't cut up into pieces by the paper bombs, the strings are what did it. Unless explosions are now known for cutting people up, that is. Hidan's body was shaken by the force of the explosions into the wires that then cut him up. I mean, seriously. Sakura was able to endure a point blank usage of an explosive tag without any real damage.

I maybe able to think that the Zetsu body had notable durability if it wasn't constantly ripped off. Madara did it,

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. The fact it can destroy rocks is nothing, when the durability of Sakura is above such. And I don't think I need to spend my time explaining why Kimimaro's own durability trumps Sakura's, at least I hope not.

The summary of this all is; There's no evidence to point to your thoughts on Nagato using the Preta Path to buffer the explosion (Which, if chakra based would be zero damage. If it wasn't, there would be full damage.). Hidan's own injuries were due to the force of his body moving against the wires. Helped supported by Sakura even able to casually take a point black paper tag.

Kimimaro's able to withstand any of Konan's attacks easily, binding him down with paper is folly seeing as he escaped Gaara's bindings and can use the bone forest technique to escape that altogether.

Preta path doesn't necessarily always have a sphere around it. Example being Madara absorbing Amaterasu

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And what do you mean by "rush of chakra" when Nagato absorbed Bee's V2 cloak? I didn't see anything.

(sorry I can't go more in-depth, dinner's on)

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Preta path doesn't necessarily always have a sphere around it. Example being Madara absorbing Amaterasu

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And what do you mean by "rush of chakra" when Nagato absorbed Bee's V2 cloak? I didn't see anything.

(sorry I can't go more in-depth, dinner's on)

We can only assume Madara used the Preta Path, as his eyes were gone. And, the notacble chakra flow.

But, the entire argument is null seeing as the Preta Path would of either absorbed the chakra from the attack completely or done nothing at all, if it wasn't chakra based.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Konan wins she doesn't have to get close seeing as she attacked Obito with paper bombs long range as long as she can do that she can take this.

 

[makosheva7]

Hmm. Konan takes it. She can fly and Kimmi can't do anything about it. Paper clones plus explosive tags to the face area and Kimmi is down. Konan low-diff, 10/10 times.

 

[RedRobin]

Konan wins if Kimi is sick, if he is healthy its a stalemate.

Konan cant injure Kimimaro.

Kimimaro can never hit or injure Konan.

 

[Beans2]

We can only assume Madara used the Preta Path, as his eyes were gone. And, the notacble chakra flow.

But, the entire argument is null seeing as the Preta Path would of either absorbed the chakra from the attack completely or done nothing at all, if it wasn't chakra based.

Pretty sure paper tags are all chakra based. I mean, how does a slip of paper suddenly explode without there being chakra involved? Magic? :|

Anyway, there's no doubt Konan wins this. At worst, she blows up some paper bombs in his face. Paper body and flight renders his entire arsenal useless. She can even outlast him (blowing up 600 billion paper bombs definitely takes a lot of chakra...)

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Pretty sure paper tags are all chakra based. I mean, how does a slip of paper suddenly explode without there being chakra involved? Magic? :|

Anyway, there's no doubt Konan wins this. At worst, she blows up some paper bombs in his face. Paper body and flight renders his entire arsenal useless. Worst case scenario, she outlasts (blowing up 600 billion paper bombs definitely takes a lot of chakra...)

The explosions themselves being chakra based. Not the bombs themselves; Think of it like Deidara's own clay bombs.

Actually, what can she do? Kimimaro was able to evade Gaara's sand, it crushing him more than once, and didn't flinch at these. All while being terminally ill to the extent of being bed ridden. She can try to blow him up, nothing will happen with a bomb armor defense. It involves him running as she has to fly around to avoid being killed by Kimimaro.

 

[Beans2]

The explosions themselves being chakra based. Not the bombs themselves; Think of it like Deidara's own clay bombs.

Actually, what can she do? Kimimaro was able to evade Gaara's sand, it crushing him more than once, and didn't flinch at these. All while being terminally ill to the extent of being bed ridden. She can try to blow him up, nothing will happen with a bomb armor defense. It involves him running as she has to fly around to avoid being killed by Kimimaro.

I know; I'm not saying one can absorb the chakra out of a paper tag, what I mean is that after it explodes, Nagato can absorb the explosion. Except he didn't activate Preta Path in time, hence he was injured but his legs weren't blown off.

She tricks him. He rushes her and stabs her with a bone, but his attack is rendered useless by her paper body. While they are close to each other, Konan can stick a paper bomb to his forehead. Then she flies up and explodes the paper tag point blank in his face.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I know; I'm not saying one can absorb the chakra out of a paper tag, what I mean is that after it explodes, Nagato can absorb the explosion. Except he didn't activate Preta Path in time, hence he was injured but his legs weren't blown off.

She tricks him. He rushes her and stabs her with a bone, but his attack is rendered useless by her paper body. While they are close to each other, Konan can stick a paper bomb to his forehead. Then she flies up and explodes the paper tag point blank in his face.

Except there is nothing to say the explosion can be absorbed. For all we know of it, it's a natural effect due to the chakra. Like Deidara's. But, that's regardless. As if Nagato had used it, he would of absorbed the entirety of the explosion and wouldn't of needed to flee from the cliff side in the first place.

Which does nothing. As it did nothing for Sakura Haruno.

 

[Beans2]

Except there is nothing to say the explosion can be absorbed. For all we know of it, it's a natural effect due to the chakra. Like Deidara's. But, that's regardless. As if Nagato had used it, he would of absorbed the entirety of the explosion and wouldn't of needed to flee from the cliff side in the first place.

Which does nothing. As it did nothing for Sakura Haruno.

Why can Deidara's explosions not be absorbed?

Because Sakura had a paper bomb strapped to her forehead. No? Konan blows his eyes out. Or uses multiple bombs.

 

[SadSasuke]

Kimimaro => KCM Naruto clone =>SM Naruto > Jiraiya > Konan.

Kimimaro defeated a KCM Naruto clone, whom would easily defeat Konan. It's obvious who the winner is.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Why can Deidara's explosions not be absorbed?

Because Sakura had a paper bomb strapped to her forehead. No? Konan blows his eyes out. Or uses multiple bombs.

Lmao. And, why would they be? The explosions are just the reaction to the chakra, not the chakra themselves. it's like saying Kisame can absorb a TBB's explosion.

That's also under the conclusion that Konan can get one strapped to his forehead. And that'll do something to a shinobi with the durability on Kimimaro's level. One did nothing to Sakura, who shouldn't be compared to Kimi in durability.

 

[Beans2]

Lmao. And, why would they be? The explosions are just the reaction to the chakra, not the chakra themselves. it's like saying Kisame can absorb a TBB's explosion.

That's also under the conclusion that Konan can get one strapped to his forehead. And that'll do something to a shinobi with the durability on Kimimaro's level. One did nothing to Sakura, who shouldn't be compared to Kimi in durability.

Scans saying Deidara's explosions aren't chakra? Actually, just any scans, in general, anything at all, to support this. You know damn well why Kisame can't absorb a TBB explosion and it's for entirely different reasons.

Already told you about how Konan can trick Kimimaro into getting close to her so she can place a paper tag on him. The difference between Sakura and Kimimaro is that Konan can literally place half a dozen paper tags directly on his eye sockets and blow his brains out unlike Miss Billboard Brow who didn't have a paper tag directly on her person.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Scans saying Deidara's explosions aren't chakra? Actually, just any scans, in general, anything at all, to support this. You know damn well why Kisame can't absorb a TBB explosion and it's for entirely different reasons.

Already told you about how Konan can trick Kimimaro into getting close to her so she can place a paper tag on him. The difference between Sakura and Kimimaro is that Konan can literally place half a dozen paper tags directly on his eye sockets and blow his brains out unlike Miss Billboard Brow who didn't have a paper tag directly on her person.

There's been nothing to suggest this at all in the entirety of the manga? How does that work for you. I can forge some scans, if you want. How about you start putting up some sure fire evidence, such as the entire buffered by Preta claim? So far you have a misconstrued statement by Hanzo, and a panel of the eye.

Or, Kimimaro moves one arm up to shield his eyes and face. Damn. The master plan just foiled. Sakura had it literally next to her. The difference is negligible at best. Not going to bother with this again if you're not going to bring something new and or solid.

Edit: Yeah, no. Samehada would of absorbed the explosion. The difference between the Preta Path and Samehada is merely speed and limitations. The explosion wasn't fast enough nor would it exceed Samehada's limitations.