Naruto is running out of counter-arguments

[Natsu Shazneel]

That's sad. No anime ever picked that solution. Well Gundam 00 did by making everybody read each other emotions but even then, they made the whole world hate them first. Kishi gonna go with sasuke's way. lelouch from code geass, treize from gundam wing, Kira, death note. There are more anime out there that prove that Sasuke's way is a far better method than Naruto(Everybody understand each other and forgive each other, even if your wife was gang raped by hidden leaf ninjas).

We will see which way Kishi goes with this.

 

[V h o]

umm hello The great ninja war 1, the great ninja war 2, the great ninja war 3......All three of those wars was caused over trade, somebody not getting what they want. The 1st hokage gave out tails beasts hoping that the nations would be fair with each other...SO yes there must be a threat to keep unity!

And those wars still had no cooperation...Economic/political isolation brought distrust and hate to those who had and those who had not, and wars to claim what was not theirs' began....

But I already see where this is going, you believe that there must be a threat for destruction to bring unity instead of the benefit of not even going to war for protection...

There's no way Sasuke would lose. Everyone who could pose a threat is dead, or has lost their power, all that's left is Naruto.

Hashirama's was told to be the god of shinobi in his time, surely he isn't the strongest now. Saying Sasuke will be the ultimate power forever is just the same as saying there will be peace forever.

 

[xxsasukex]

Well i guess sasuke Is The Only One to Beat TNJ. lol

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Become an immortal shadowy DICKtator? Yea sasuke thought that out very well

And the way he thinks he can get immortal is beyond retarded.

 

[LeSauce]

And those wars still had no cooperation...Economic/political isolation brought distrust and hate to those who had and those who had not, and wars to claim what was not theirs' began....

But I already see where this is going, you believe that there must be a threat for destruction to bring unity instead of the benefit of not even going to war for protection...



Hashirama's was told to be the god of shinobi in his time, surely he isn't the strongest now. Saying Sasuke will be the ultimate power forever is just the same as saying there will be peace forever.

Do you realize what it took for someone to surpass him? It was only with the bijuus and the Sage that sauce and narco were able to surpass him. Those things are gone now. There's no powerful clan anymore either.

 

[Nagi]

And those wars still had no cooperation...Economic/political isolation brought distrust and hate to those who had and those who had not, and wars to claim what was not theirs' began....

But I already see where this is going, you believe that there must be a threat for destruction to bring unity instead of the benefit of not even going to war for protection...



Hashirama's was told to be the god of shinobi in his time, surely he isn't the strongest now. Saying Sasuke will be the ultimate power forever is just the same as saying there will be peace forever.

The 5 nations came to agreement to fight together in this war. Why would they come to agreement for something that have no threat against their nations? Because they fought together in this war so they will come to agreement for anything from now on? No. No threat = no reason to go out of your way to reach agreement. That will create fear right there. As long Sasuke is a threat, nations will be able to come to agreement for nearly anything.

 

[Lord Tywin]

What people don't understand is that Sasuke can't do this all alone. He says he can, but he can't. If he's going to rule he needs enforcers, and people that will follow him. Guess what those people will force people to do what sasuke wants. This brings hatred to both sasuke and his enforcers. Then people's hatred will turn towards the family of enforcers, since they can't do anything to the enforcers under Sasuke. People will kill people, and finally two factions will be created. One under Sasuke, and one under the people. It has the potential to be even on a greater scale than the current war. Face it Sasuke's plan is flawed. I'm not saying Naruto's happy go lucky plan isn't, but hell this is fiction, and main character will fulfill his role

 

[Nagi]

What people don't understand is that Sasuke can't do this all alone. He says he can, but he can't. If he's going to rule he needs enforcers, and people that will follow him. Guess what those people will force people to do what sasuke wants. This brings hatred to both sasuke and his enforcers. Then people's hatred will turn towards the family of enforcers, since they can't do anything to the enforcers under Sasuke. People will kill people, and finally two factions will be created. One under Sasuke, and one under the people. It has the potential to be even on a greater scale than the current war. Face it Sasuke's plan is flawed. I'm not saying Naruto's happy go lucky plan isn't, but hell this is fiction, and main character will fulfill his role

Which is why Sasuke will do it alone or expand the taka! Member of the taka have no family...

 

[Lord Tywin]

Which is why Sasuke will do it alone or expand the taka! Member of the taka have no family...

shit how many years does he have to waste on finding that many people to help? Not everyone without family agrees with Sasuke, heck we even don't know if anyone likes what Sasuke is saying. Again Sasuke can't do it alone. If you think so you're simply too delusional

 

[V h o]

Do you realize what it took for someone to surpass him? It was only with the bijuus and the Sage that sauce and narco were able to surpass him. Those things are gone now. There's no powerful clan anymore either.

Doesn't matter about clan, was Gai a part of a "powerful clan"? Were the akatsuki members, baring Itachi? Talent, genetic mutation, drive, whatever can and could breed a superior ninja/person. It may not be in 10 years or even 500 years but there is a possibility that Sasuke's power can be outmatch or equaled by people.

 

[A Dolla Make Ya Holla]

countering bullshit is fairly difficult you see

 

[Nagi]

Again, Naruto is a fool. He nothing more than a figurehead really. Naruto is bound by the false idol of a hokage who serves others but not himself. He setting a bad example for future generations. Teaching that "Forgive" is the key to everything.

Madara didn't need do anything. He should've just stay back and watch the world destroy itself.

 

[Nagi]

shit how many years does he have to waste on finding that many people to help? Not everyone without family agrees with Sasuke, heck we even don't know if anyone likes what Sasuke is saying. Again Sasuke can't do it alone. If you think so you're simply too delusional

Danzo would've agree with Sasuke. Hell if Sasuke wasn't a Uchiha, the 2nd hokage would agree with him on so many levels.

 

[Nagi]

Doesn't matter about clan, was Gai a part of a "powerful clan"? Were the akatsuki members, baring Itachi? Talent, genetic mutation, drive, whatever can and could breed a superior ninja/person. It may not be in 10 years or even 500 years but there is a possibility that Sasuke's power can be outmatch or equaled by people.

There is also a possibility that naruto's power can be outmatch or equaled by a group of people who dislike his foolish ideals. Those people might even just want to watch the world burn.

 

[Vapid]

I noticed that too. He's finally beginning to understand that this world isn't just ponies and rainbows; it's cold, hard and dirty (...). Sasuke's ideology is slowly seeping its way into Naruto's little brain. Like I said a few days back: If anyone's getting TnJ'd, it's Naruto.

 

[V h o]

There is also a possibility that naruto's power can be outmatch or equaled by a group of people who dislike his foolish ideals. Those people might even just want to watch the world burn.

Yet Naruto is preaching cooperation, so yet again he is not the sole pillar as Sasuke is.
Basically Naruto doesn't need to be the almighty driving power to keep people in line, others would help.

 

[Nagi]

Yet Naruto is preaching cooperation, so yet again he is not the sole pillar as Sasuke is.

Are we reading the same manga. All 5 nations use that cooperation's power but still can't do shit without Naruto. Not everybody can be strong as naruto. He shouldn't lead people down that path when there won't be a person strong enough to replace him when he is gone. Once Naruto is gone, those people will be left to defend for their selves and you know how that gonna play out. So really naruto is the sole pillar just like Sasuke. But naruto just carrying everybody else because itachi told him to.

 

[V h o]

Are we reading the same manga. All 5 nations use that cooperation's power but still can't do shit without Naruto. Not everybody can be strong as naruto. He shouldn't lead people down that path when there won't be a person strong enough to replace him when he is gone. Once Naruto is gone, those people will be left to defend for their selves and you know how that gonna play out. So really naruto is the sole pillar just like Sasuke. But naruto just like to carry deadweights.

I'm asking myself this right now.

Like me just get your opinion on this: Can ideals/ideologies change? Because your insinuating that they can't, that everything reverts back after the main actor is gone.

Take any main civil rights activist and let them die (like they did) and would everything revert back?

 

[Nagi]

I'm asking myself this right now.

Like me just get your opinion on this: Can ideals/ideologies change? Because your insinuating that they can't, that everything reverts back after the main actor is gone.

Take any main civil rights activist and let them die (like they did) and would everything revert back?

Ideals/ideologies can change. But you assuming that everybody would follow one ideal (Naruto's idea). Watch Code geass. Before lelouch made the whole world go against him, He was able to get several Ideals/ideologies who hate each other to live and work with each other to pursuit one goal. The key was use force and show people proofs that their government is tricking them. So they only got together to overcome a problem. After lelouch made the whole world go against him and die, a lot of the major problems die with him. But there was still minor problems but not enough to cause a war.

This ninja war is over, there is no reason to go out of your way to cooperate now. It temporary peace at the moment until someone's desire get greedy. Then a war gonna birth out of place. Naruto won't be able TNJ people out of it unless he gonna take the blame for whatever the problem is.

In real life, everything don't revert back to what it was before the civil rights activist took his/her stand. But there is and will always be some problems exist in the world after the the leader gone. Someone will pick up the cape and carry on.

In Naruto's world, there is no one gonna be as strong as naruto to do so and in order for a person to be as strong as naruto, that person would need to a reason to do so or go through bad experience like naruto did. But how would that person go through those type of experience if there is peace in the world that naruto will create.

 

[V h o]

Ideals/ideologies can change. But you assuming that everybody would follow one ideal (Naruto's idea). Watch Code geass. Before lelouch made the whole world go against him, He was able to get several Ideals/ideologies who hate each other to live and work with each other to pursuit one goal. The key was use force and show people proofs that their government is tricking them. So they only got together to overcome a problem. After lelouch made the whole world go against him and die, a lot of the major problems die with him. But there was still minor problems but not enough to cause a war.

This ninja war is over, there is no reason to go out of your way to cooperate now. It temporary peace at the moment until someone's desire get greedy. Then a war gonna birth out of place. Naruto won't be able TNJ people out of it unless he gonna take the blame for whatever the problem is.

In real life, everything don't revert back to what it was before the civil rights activist took his/her stand. But there is and will always be some problems exist in the world after the the leader gone. Someone will pick up the cape and carry on.

In Naruto's world, there is no one gonna be as strong as naruto to do so and in order for a person to be as strong as naruto, that person would need to a reason to do so or go through bad experience like naruto did. But how would that person go through those type of experience if there is peace in the world that naruto will create.

I'm not assuming anything, the nations have already rallied behind Naruto and shown sign of change(change of ideals). You're conveniently de-emphasizing that and claiming that everything will revert back since the threat is gone.

In real life, cooperation has always won over might, and no one is saying that there will be no problems, but at least Naruto's way gets everyone involved with those problems, instead of shouldering the entire thing alone-Sasuke.