Feats fans: Featless characters > Featful characters?

[KingHashirama]

Whats your proof that they were born stronger? Because they have more feats? That doesnt mean a thing. You couldnt tell who's stronger until you pit them against each other.

I said in the last sentence theyre equal but thats not including the sages chakra or other outside influences.


Having more up to date jutsu doesnt stop someone from getting destroyed by a single jutsu.


Hagoromo had one justu shown that isnt "up to date" and its more of an impressive feat than anyone shown by an "up to date" ninja. He made the moon. Using CT.

Sasukes CT orbs are around the same size as Madaras. It hasnt been shown for Indra to have it. His Susano'o dwarfs the bijiu avatar. Which is the size of narutos avatar.

Like I said until proven otherwise or stated by Kishi. The transmigrants are equal until proven otherwise. Thats not including having the sages chakra.


Currently Naruto and Sasuke > the other transmigrants

Naruto and Sasuke > Ashura and Indra themselves.

How can they all be equals? Because you decided they were equals? .

"His suanoo dwarfs the bijju avatar"... uh no.. if you look closely at the scan.. Ashura is father away, while Indra is closer to the "camera"... Look at diamond on the susanoo's head compared to him... Its the same as Madara's.

Where did you get the concept that Ashura and Indra's chakra reincarnates into another living being? Because the manga talks about their chakra simply going into other beings... And isn't it weird that Madara succeeded for black zetsu, while Indra himself couldn't? =] .

Furthermore, when did Ashura's chakra affect Hashirama's mokuton?? I mean Ashura's chakra didn't affect Naruto until he met with rikudou..


Yes having more up to date jutsu doesn't mean in front of people who are on a different level or different plane.. like Rikudou and kaguya .... HOWEVER, it does matter in a near the same level fight..

Even though Kaguya gave Naruto and Sasuke a much harder time than Incomplete JJ Madara? Lmao, the Kaguya downplay on this site is disgusting.

OT: Anyone using a Rikudo Chakra enhanced battle Avatar takes a dump on Hashirama and Madara.

@Bold, then that'll only be Naruto and Sasuke.


However sadly the thread talks about Ashura and indra.

you really don't give any evidence at all.. besides fan-fiction crap you pull out of nowhere... rofl. When did they recieve chakra from rikudou himself? Oh you mean they were born with his chakra? Oh wait.. the entire senju clan is born with the same chakra as ashura... TRy again harder.

 

[spade3dg]

Naruto and Sasuke > Ashura and Indra themselves.

How can they all be equals? Because you decided they were equals? .

"His suanoo dwarfs the bijju avatar"... uh no.. if you look closely at the scan.. Ashura is father away, while Indra is closer to the "camera"... Look at diamond on the susanoo's head compared to him... Its the same as Madara's.

Where did you get the concept that Ashura and Indra's chakra reincarnates into another living being? Because the manga talks about their chakra simply going into other beings... And isn't it weird that Madara succeeded for black zetsu, while Indra himself couldn't? =] .

Furthermore, when did Ashura's chakra affect Hashirama's mokuton?? I mean Ashura's chakra didn't affect Naruto until he met with rikudou..


Yes having more up to date jutsu doesn't mean in front of people who are on a different level or different plane.. like Rikudou and kaguya .... HOWEVER, it does matter in a near the same level fight..



@Bold, then that'll only be Naruto and Sasuke.


However sadly the thread talks about Ashura and indra.

you really don't give any evidence at all.. besides fan-fiction crap you pull out of nowhere... rofl. When did they recieve chakra from rikudou himself? Oh you mean they were born with his chakra? Oh wait.. the entire senju clan is born with the same chakra as ashura... TRy again harder.

The whole senju clan are descendents of Ashura. But not everybody are transmigrants of their chakra. Hagoromo himself said the previous transmigrants were Madara and Hashirama. He said that his sons chakra reincarnated into certain people not everyone.

Do you not read the manga? Madara succeeded because he did something the other transmigrants didnt. He added Ashura/senju dna to himself. Bringing both transmuters together.

 

[KingHashirama]

The whole senju clan are descendents of Ashura. But not everybody are transmigrants of their chakra. Hagoromo himself said the previous transmigrants were Madara and Hashirama. He said that his sons chakra reincarnated into certain people not everyone.

Do you not read the manga? Madara succeeded because he did something the other transmigrants didnt. He added Ashura/senju dna to himself. Bringing both transmuters together.

And not every transmigration has been as powerful as Ashura/Naruto/Hashirama..... so thats why i'm asking why do you assume they all are equal, simply because they has ashura's chakra inside?


@Bold, but it was because he was better/stronger than Indra that he was able to do so... Hence why Indra was a failure to zetsu.

And also, no he stated his sons had many reincarnations over time.. However, what is special about Ashura/Indra besides them starting the senju/uchiha bloodlines?

Hashirama possessed something stronger than Ashura..

 

[spade3dg]

And not every transmigration has been as powerful as Ashura/Naruto/Hashirama..... so thats why i'm asking why do you assume they all are equal, simply because they has ashura's chakra inside?


@Bold, but it was because he was better/stronger than Indra that he was able to do so... Hence why Indra was a failure to zetsu.

And also, no he stated his sons had many reincarnations over time.. However, what is special about Ashura/Indra besides them starting the senju/uchiha bloodlines?

Hashirama possessed something stronger than Ashura..

Madara didnt succeed because he was stronger. He did because he brought the two bloodlines back together creating a new power.

I said they were equal before adding other powers to themselves. Indra was a failure to BZ because he couldn't bring Kaguya back. Not because he was weak.

Hashirama possessed mokuton yes while Ashura had the chakra avatar with TSB's.

Like I said in my first post they all had a unique power to them that put them on par with each other.

 

[Lightbringer]

Well aside for one image we don't know the power of Ashura and Indra.

But personally I think they are above EMS Madara and Hashirama

They were trained by Rikudou himself. Having a great teacher makes a good student and I think Rikudou Sennin is probably the best teacher anyone can have.

Look at the power he granted Naruto and Sasuke, I'm sure he gave power to his sons as well.

 

[EKSITE]

And not every transmigration has been as powerful as Ashura/Naruto/Hashirama..... so thats why i'm asking why do you assume they all are equal, simply because they has ashura's chakra inside?


@Bold, but it was because he was better/stronger than Indra that he was able to do so... Hence why Indra was a failure to zetsu.

And also, no he stated his sons had many reincarnations over time.. However, what is special about Ashura/Indra besides them starting the senju/uchiha bloodlines?

Hashirama possessed something stronger than Ashura..

Madara clearly surpassed Indra for sure but Hagoromo left some of his powers to Ashura I think he's above Hashirama

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[KidGamer65]

you really don't give any evidence at all.. besides fan-fiction crap you pull out of nowhere... rofl. When did they recieve chakra from rikudou himself? Oh you mean they were born with his chakra?

Read first, whine about me "making stuff up" later. Manga states that they inherited their father's chakra. Thus they both had it. That simple. Manga shows that Indra's Susanoo has horns, just like Sasuke's Susanoo gained AFTER gaining Rikudo's Chakra. The orbs in Asura's Avatar's hands are Gudo Dama, you need Rikudo Chakra to form those.

Oh wait.. the entire senju clan is born with the same chakra as ashura... TRy again harder.

Senju clan IS NOT born with the same chakra as Asura. Don't where else this could possibly come from but your ass. Since when did descendants of each other ALL have the same exact chakra? Nope. Could it be similar? Possibly, but to Asura? Nope, not when he dates back so far.

 

[maniaoqan]

I believe Hashirama proved to be above Ashura... when he showed he was the first person to possess the body of the juubi itself.. aka mokuton. Something Ashura the starter of the senju, couldn't.

There isn't much known about Ashura nor Indra. It's most likely Ashura has Mokuton but like I said they are only mentioned for Plot. Their characters has no proper introduction.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Well, what we have seen from them clearly puts them above living Madara and Hashirama. Indra had the exact same PS as Sasuke, while Naruto just used the same avatar as Ashura. Now, Ashura's is clearly smaller than Naruto's, but the fact they have these powers demonstrates that they're powers>Hashirama and Madara's.

 

[KingHashirama]

Read first, whine about me "making stuff up" later. Manga states that they inherited their father's chakra. Thus they both had it. That simple. Manga shows that Indra's Susanoo has horns, just like Sasuke's Susanoo gained AFTER gaining Rikudo's Chakra. The orbs in Asura's Avatar's hands are Gudo Dama, you need Rikudo Chakra to form those.



Senju clan IS NOT born with the same chakra as Asura. Don't where else this could possibly come from but your ass. Since when did descendants of each other ALL have the same exact chakra? Nope. Could it be similar? Possibly, but to Asura? Nope, not when he dates back so far.

Don't tell me to read first, when you act like a hypocritcal smartass 24/7. While the reality is you present no argument.. just asspulls from what you think is in the manga.

The manga states:
- Ashura and Indra started the senju and Uchiha bloodlines.
- All the senju are related to Ashura by blood, meaning they have his genes, meaning they have Rikudou's genes...
- For Sasuke's current PS re required the rinnegan. Show me Indra with the rinnegan.
- Furthermore, where is it stated you need the rikudou's chakra for the Gojuudama? Rofl... pulled that out of your ass didn't you. Not only that, Naruto was given his senjutsu from the rikudou plus unlocking Ashura's chakra.

Now let me ask you a question:

Why did Ashura the guy inherited ALL of rikudou's "body chakra" (despite manga being denying it.) Not able to unlock Mokuton?

Mokuton the same KKG that only a juubi's jinchuriki can attain by only becoming the Jinchuriki.. why did Ashura not attain it? rofl.

FURTHERMORE , give me any feats... you are trying to say current powers of Sasuke and Naruto = Indra and Ashura's powers.... despite showing no validation of proof.. despite saying they look similar..

So was Ashura also 9-tails jinchuriki? Cause that hasn't been mentioned also..

There isn't much known about Ashura nor Indra. It's most likely Ashura has Mokuton but like I said they are only mentioned for Plot. Their characters has no proper introduction.

Then most likely Hashirama has Ashura's avatar... no?

Then most likely Naruto has Mokuton also.. no?

Madara clearly surpassed Indra for sure but Hagoromo left some of his powers to Ashura I think he's above Hashirama

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Actually he said he gave ninshuu. Ninshuu was teachings. Not powers.

And remember their fight happened after rikudou's death.

Well aside for one image we don't know the power of Ashura and Indra.

But personally I think they are above EMS Madara and Hashirama

They were trained by Rikudou himself. Having a great teacher makes a good student and I think Rikudou Sennin is probably the best teacher anyone can have.

Look at the power he granted Naruto and Sasuke, I'm sure he gave power to his sons as well.

But here is the thing.. were their powers ever compared to VOTE legends?

they trained for their own powers.

And you said those 2 had a teacher.. thats nice.. However, ninjutsu wasn't even made yet. All they had were basic techniques.

This is what i'm saying, people like putting featless characters over featful characters at 1 time.. but then don't do the same on the opposite side..


Hashirama by himself restrained a Juubi, yet we wanna claim Ashura had that power, on a basis that he was rikudou's son?

 

[HeavenlyFlames]

SO where do these people get that Ashura and Indra are stronger than Hashirama and Madara? Because i'm positive as hell, Hashirama and Madara's dads aren't stronger than Hashirama and Madara.

Yes, because they were direct descendants of Hagoromo who each inherited one aspect from him. They were most likely exceeding in their own category...
This is just my thoughts on the merely my thoughts on the matter.

 

[KingHashirama]

Yes, because they were direct descendants of Hagoromo who each inherited one aspect from him. They were most likely exceeding in their own category...
This is just my thoughts on the merely my thoughts on the matter.

Direct descendants.. Hiruzen and Hashirama have already shown "direct descendants".. has no play in how strong the kids are.. Whats more amusing is none of them are any relevant to the clans.. or are hardly talked about.. except for starting the clans.

 

[KidGamer65]

Don't tell me to read first, when you act like a hypocritcal smartass 24/7. While the reality is you present no argument.. just asspulls from what you think is in the manga.

I wouldn't have to act like a smartass if morons like you could read the manga before making these retarded ass threads.

The manga states:
- Ashura and Indra started the senju and Uchiha bloodlines.
- All the senju are related to Ashura by blood, meaning they have his genes, meaning they have Rikudou's genes... [/QUOTE]

Learn how genes work buddy. Blood gets diluted as the generations go on, so there is zero evidence that their genes are that close to Rikudo's nor is there evidence that they share the same chakra. Similar genes=/=Same chakra. So this whole part of your post is irrelevant.

- For Sasuke's current PS re required the rinnegan. Show me Indra with the rinnegan.

1. Irrelevant as I've already shown you that getting Rikudo Chakra made his Susanoo grow horns, thus Indra had his father's chakra as the manga stated.

2. Nothing in the manga states that PS of any kind needs Rinnegan. Lets not start this old ass incorrect theory up again. Sasuke got Rikudo's Chakra, Susanoo is a manifestation of the user's chakra. That is why it changed, not because of an eye. Did Edo Madara's Susanoo change despite his Rinnegan? Nope.

- Furthermore, where is it stated you need the rikudou's chakra for the Gojuudama? Rofl... pulled that out of your ass didn't you. Not only that, Naruto was given his senjutsu from the rikudou plus unlocking Ashura's chakra.

The fact that the users of the Gudo Dama only got them after getting Hagoromo's chakra is proof that you need Rikudo Chakra for the Gudo Dama.

-JJ Obito got the Juubi, which is Rikudo Chakra and all 9 Bijuu in one package, thus got Rikudo Senjutsu. Same with JJ Madara.
-Naruto got the 9 Bijuu's chakra and Hagoromo's Chakra, thus he got Rikudo Senjutsu.

Rikudo didn't give them separate techniques, he only gave them what they needed to awaken said techniques. He gave Naruto his Yang Chakra, which when combined with the Bijuu, let him get Rikudo Senjutsu, and he gave Sasuke his Yin Chakra, which let his Sharingan evolve into a Rinnegan.

Why did Ashura the guy inherited ALL of rikudou's "body chakra" (despite manga being denying it.) Not able to unlock Mokuton?

Not relevant to their strength, so I'm not going to answer your question. Btw, if you could read the manga or my posts, you'd see that nothing ever implied or stated that he got all of Rikudo's Yang Chakra.

Mokuton the same KKG that only a juubi's jinchuriki can attain by only becoming the Jinchuriki.. why did Ashura not attain it? rofl.

Not relevant to strength. Don't know how the fuck Hashirama having Mokuton while Asura doesn't has anything to do with him being stronger than Asura, probably because it doesn't. But then again, anything to wank and slurp over your fav amirite? Just as bad as the Madara fapboys.

Rikudo didn't have Mokuton before becoming a Jin, I guess you think Hashirama is stronger than him too...lmao. Retarded.

FURTHERMORE , give me any feats... you are trying to say current powers of Sasuke and Naruto = Indra and Ashura's powers.... despite showing no validation of proof.. despite saying they look similar..

Never said that Naruto and Sasuke have the same powers as Indra and Asura, but then again, if your head wasn't up Hashirama's ass, then you'd know this as you'd be able to read.

So was Ashura also 9-tails jinchuriki? Cause that hasn't been mentioned also..

Good thing I never said that he was.

 

[EKSITE]

Don't tell me to read first, when you act like a hypocritcal smartass 24/7. While the reality is you present no argument.. just asspulls from what you think is in the manga.

The manga states:
- Ashura and Indra started the senju and Uchiha bloodlines.
- All the senju are related to Ashura by blood, meaning they have his genes, meaning they have Rikudou's genes...
- For Sasuke's current PS re required the rinnegan. Show me Indra with the rinnegan.
- Furthermore, where is it stated you need the rikudou's chakra for the Gojuudama? Rofl... pulled that out of your ass didn't you. Not only that, Naruto was given his senjutsu from the rikudou plus unlocking Ashura's chakra.

Now let me ask you a question:

Why did Ashura the guy inherited ALL of rikudou's "body chakra" (despite manga being denying it.) Not able to unlock Mokuton?

Mokuton the same KKG that only a juubi's jinchuriki can attain by only becoming the Jinchuriki.. why did Ashura not attain it? rofl.

FURTHERMORE , give me any feats... you are trying to say current powers of Sasuke and Naruto = Indra and Ashura's powers.... despite showing no validation of proof.. despite saying they look similar..

So was Ashura also 9-tails jinchuriki? Cause that hasn't been mentioned also..



Then most likely Hashirama has Ashura's avatar... no?

Then most likely Naruto has Mokuton also.. no?


Actually he said he gave ninshuu. Ninshuu was teachings. Not powers.

And remember their fight happened after rikudou's death.


But here is the thing.. were their powers ever compared to VOTE legends?

they trained for their own powers.

And you said those 2 had a teacher.. thats nice.. However, ninjutsu wasn't even made yet. All they had were basic techniques.

This is what i'm saying, people like putting featless characters over featful characters at 1 time.. but then don't do the same on the opposite side..


Hashirama by himself restrained a Juubi, yet we wanna claim Ashura had that power, on a basis that he was rikudou's son?

The teaching of Ninshuu didn't he teach both of them that?

Viz Media translation stated it was power

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[Lightbringer]

But here is the thing.. were their powers ever compared to VOTE legends?

they trained for their own powers.

And you said those 2 had a teacher.. thats nice.. However, ninjutsu wasn't even made yet. All they had were basic techniques.

This is what i'm saying, people like putting featless characters over featful characters at 1 time.. but then don't do the same on the opposite side..


Hashirama by himself restrained a Juubi, yet we wanna claim Ashura had that power, on a basis that he was rikudou's son?

Ninjutsu was invented at that time. People originally thought Hagoromo was the creator of ninjutsu but it was proven that the war between Indra and Ashura is what created it.

Hashirama used Uzumaki sealing techniques on the Juubi, those techniques could probably trace back to Hagoromo's time.

Naruto is using Senjutsu power on the scale of Ashura currently which I'd say is enough to take down a Juubi without a host.





Having ninjutsu doesn't guarantee victory. Hiruzen, Kakashi, and Orochimaru know countless ninjutsu but they pale in comparison to Doujutsu techniques and KKG.

 

[KingHashirama]

I wouldn't have to act like a smartass if morons like you could read the manga before making these retarded ass threads.

The manga states:
- Ashura and Indra started the senju and Uchiha bloodlines.
- All the senju are related to Ashura by blood, meaning they have his genes, meaning they have Rikudou's genes...

Learn how genes work buddy. Blood gets diluted as the generations go on, so there is zero evidence that their genes are that close to Rikudo's nor is there evidence that they share the same chakra. Similar genes=/=Same chakra. So this whole part of your post is irrelevant.




1. Irrelevant as I've already shown you that getting Rikudo Chakra made his Susanoo grow horns, thus Indra had his father's chakra as the manga stated.

2. Nothing in the manga states that PS of any kind needs Rinnegan. Lets not start this old ass incorrect theory up again. Sasuke got Rikudo's Chakra, Susanoo is a manifestation of the user's chakra. That is why it changed, not because of an eye. Did Edo Madara's Susanoo change despite his Rinnegan? Nope.



The fact that the users of the Gudo Dama only got them after getting Hagoromo's chakra is proof that you need Rikudo Chakra for the Gudo Dama.

-JJ Obito got the Juubi, which is Rikudo Chakra and all 9 Bijuu in one package, thus got Rikudo Senjutsu. Same with JJ Madara.
-Naruto got the 9 Bijuu's chakra and Hagoromo's Chakra, thus he got Rikudo Senjutsu.

Rikudo didn't give them separate techniques, he only gave them what they needed to awaken said techniques. He gave Naruto his Yang Chakra, which when combined with the Bijuu, let him get Rikudo Senjutsu, and he gave Sasuke his Yin Chakra, which let his Sharingan evolve into a Rinnegan.




Not relevant to their strength, so I'm not going to answer your idiotic question.


Not relevant to strength. But then again, anything to wank and slurp over your fav amirite? Just as bad as the Madara fapboys.

FURTHERMORE , give me any feats... you are trying to say current powers of Sasuke and Naruto = Indra and Ashura's powers.... despite showing no validation of proof.. despite saying they look similar..

Never said that Naruto and Sasuke have the same powers as Indra and Asura, but then again, if your head wasn't up Hashirama's ass, then you'd know this as you'd be able to read.


Good thing I never said that he was.

So you couldn't answer my questions because you didn't say them? what? Rofl.... Did i say that you said those things? no...... Did you get hurt that those questions shit on your retarded ass logic that you use 24/7 to act like you present a good argument?


1. False. You did not show me that. However, he was also able to only use it with on his own after he got the rikudou's chakra.. So what are you suggesting? rofl. Furthermore, horns = more power?? When where "horns" made to determine strength of susanoo? Cause Itachi's incomplete suannoo had horns... Again invalid point.

2. False. Sasuke got Rikudou's eye chakra via the Rinnegan. Him getting rikudou's eye chakra unlocked his rinnegan. Doesn't take a genius to comprehend that.


However, Ashura never became the jinchuriki.. So what is your point? Because they can't be special to Ashura? Hashirama had mokuton.. despite the fact you need to be a jinchuriki to access it (of course not counting taking hashirama's cells). Are you gonna insist Ashura also had Mokuton, because Juubi's Jins have mokuton? . Lol


- Naruto's current Avatar = Ashura's avatar... because he was able to unlock Ashura's chakra..... which is then enhanced by Rikudou's senjutsu chakra.... duhr duhr.

-"ikudo didn't give them separate techniques, he only gave them what they needed to awaken said techniques. " rofl.. pulling things out of our ass again are we now? Manga shows /says that he gave them seperate techniques..


Dude don't call me a fapboy agian..... Cause you have to be one of the biggest bandwagoners in the base... First you were bandwagoning Hashirama.. now you are bandwagoning everyone related to the rikudou family.

And you said something about my favorite.. which would be Naruto.. the strongest Senju in history.. which the thread isn't even about....

Oh wait you are calling Hashirama my favorite, because i'm defending him against you.... Ohhhhhhhhh..... i see. Baka.

 

[Joker]

I feel like you constantly and discretly grasp for straws in an attempt to make Hashirama relevant. It's pretty obvious Indra and Ashura are above Hashirama and Madara.

 

[KingHashirama]

I feel like you constantly and discretly grasp for straws in an attempt to make Hashirama relevant. It's pretty obvious Indra and Ashura are above Hashirama and Madara.

"grasp for straws"... what straws is that? You mean the constant babbling and top lists being made.. and the constant discussion that goes on about this? rofl.


But also, i do feel that you are discreetly trying to make Ashura and Indra more relevant than they actually are..

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[Joker]

"grasp for straws"... what straws is that? You mean the constant babbling and top lists being made.. and the constant discussion that goes on about this? rofl.


But also, i do feel that you are discreetly trying to make Ashura and Indra more relevant than they actually are..

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Lmao, they're more relevant than Hashirama at this point.

 

[KingHashirama]

Lmao, they're more relevant than Hashirama at this point.

oh Im sure they are..... nothing to do with the thread tho...