Feats fans: Featless characters > Featful characters?

[KingHashirama]

Sooooooooo

Hashirama and Madara << Ashura and Indra :dunno: :erm: hmm Zzz. According to some of the people who talk about "feats" need to be shown for other characters.

But for Ashura and indra , its an exception because they were rikudou's sons. Why? lol

Was it not Rikudou himself who stated just because the parent is a genius, doesn't mean the son will be the same? How many father/son duos do we know that turned out to be as strong as the father?

People are hell bent on believing Ashura = exactly 50% of Rikudou, and Indra = Exactly 50% of Rikudou. While the manga only talks about them as genetics, starting a war and reincarnation purposes. Nowhere is it stated they were known for their power....

Only other good counter is "their chakra traveled along history". Well that does not imply they were stronger in their actual self.. Otherwise we would still have Hamura's chakra traveling also (unless they are implying Rikudou's sons, are stronger than Kaguya's sons.).



SO where do these people get that Ashura and Indra are stronger than Hashirama and Madara? Because i'm positive as hell, Hashirama and Madara's dads aren't stronger than Hashirama and Madara.

 

[A$AP Wap]

/facepalm People actually think Hashi and 'dara are stronger than Indra and Ashura? Indra's Susano'o's head is about the size of Ashura's chakra Avatar... Chakra Avatars are the size of Sasuke's Susano'o... Indra has the biggest Susano'o. He probably shaped the Shinobi World Map with his PS Slashes. And you can even infer children who were directly from the Sage are far more powerful than their transmigrates.[SUB] You must be registered for see images [/SUB]

 

[Demonic.]

I think Ashura was confirmed to be above Hashirama when they showed his battle avatar

 

[The Necromancer]

Kaguya proved that hype needs feats to validate it.

Kaguya was supposed to be the all powerful god of the Narutoverse, and yet she had little to no true combat experience or knowledge and was theoretically weaker than even incomplete JJ Madara.

 

[bsims08]

I just know that Tobirama>Hiruzen

 

[KingHashirama]

I think Ashura was confirmed to be above Hashirama when they showed his battle avatar

I believe Hashirama proved to be above Ashura... when he showed he was the first person to possess the body of the juubi itself.. aka mokuton. Something Ashura the starter of the senju, couldn't.

 

[Multiply]

BSM Naruto was already almost on par with Hashirama. RM Naruto was enough to fight Kaguya, and Ashura was definitely stronger than that because Naruto only had a fraction of his power.

 

[V h o]

At the end of the day, neither Ashura nor Indra has feats, so arguing who is stronger/weaker is merely speculation imo. Reason why I don't like them on tier lists, isn't like they even have a jutsu bar the PS and avatar that we know of. lel

 

[A$AP Wap]

Kaguya proved that hype needs feats to validate it.

Kaguya was supposed to be the all powerful god of the Narutoverse, and yet she had little to no true combat experience or knowledge and was theoretically weaker than even incomplete JJ Madara.

Actually, Kishi nerfed that hoe a lot. Remember when she was first introduced and could instantly shift dimensions? She didn't need to open those portals. Kishi made her weaker by giving her those small restrictions.[SUB] You must be registered for see images [/SUB]

 

[KingHashirama]

/facepalm People actually think Hashi and 'dara are stronger than Indra and Ashura? Indra's Susano'o's head is about the size of Ashura's chakra Avatar... Chakra Avatars are the size of Sasuke's Susano'o... Indra has the biggest Susano'o. He probably shaped the Shinobi World Map with his PS Slashes. And you can even infer children who were directly from the Sage are far more powerful than their transmigrates.[SUB] You must be registered for see images [/SUB]

Nope... just different perspective.

look at the chakra diamond.. compare it to indra.. pretty much the same as Madara... rofl.

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Feats fans: Featless characters > Featful characters?

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[Conspirator.]

Since when were you the guy who relied on feats? I thought you always relied on hype. Lol Common sense puts Indra/Ashura above EMS madara/Hashirama.

 

[A$AP Wap]

Nope... just different perspective.

look at the chakra diamond.. compare it to indra.. pretty much the same as Madara... rofl.

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[KingHashirama]

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Roflll, oh shit i'm slow.

Since when were you the guy who relied on feats? I thought you always relied on hype. Lol Common sense puts Indra/Ashura above EMS madara/Hashirama.

Hype : God of shinobi vs some guy who started the bloodline

Hype : Man who represents epitome of the uchiha bloodline vs some guy who started the bloodline

 

[End of Days]

Kaguya proved that hype needs feats to validate it.

Yes, thats true, totsuka and yata are only hebi sasuke level with their feats

Kaguya was supposed to be the all powerful god of the Narutoverse, and yet she had little to no true combat experience or knowledge and was theoretically weaker than even incomplete JJ Madara.

"theoretically"

She showed herself to be powerful than him by one shotting people using dimensional change and they had to take obito's help while madara was getting trashed around by them

 

[spade3dg]

Sooooooooo

Hashirama and Madara << Ashura and Indra :dunno: :erm: hmm Zzz. According to some of the people who talk about "feats" need to be shown for other characters.

But for Ashura and indra , its an exception because they were rikudou's sons. Why? lol

Was it not Rikudou himself who stated just because the parent is a genius, doesn't mean the son will be the same? How many father/son duos do we know that turned out to be as strong as the father?

People are hell bent on believing Ashura = exactly 50% of Rikudou, and Indra = Exactly 50% of Rikudou. While the manga only talks about them as genetics, starting a war and reincarnation purposes. Nowhere is it stated they were known for their power....

Only other good counter is "their chakra traveled along history". Well that does not imply they were stronger in their actual self.. Otherwise we would still have Hamura's chakra traveling also (unless they are implying Rikudou's sons, are stronger than Kaguya's sons.).



SO where do these people get that Ashura and Indra are stronger than Hashirama and Madara? Because i'm positive as hell, Hashirama and Madara's dads aren't stronger than Hashirama and Madara.

Well to be fair. The reason Hashi and Madara were stronger than their fathers was because of Indra and Ashura. Who knows how strong they'd be without it. They have their strength because of their respective ancestors.

I would say theyre all on the same level as the previous transmigrant just with different powers.

Ashura and his giant chakra avatar.
Hashi and his mokuton.
Naruto and his 9 bijuu.

Indra and his Susano'o.
Madara and his Susano'o.
Sasuke and his.

Thats not including gaining the sages chakra or other outside influences.

 

[KingHashirama]

Well to be fair. The reason Hashi and Madara were stronger than their fathers was because of Indra and Ashura. Who knows how strong they'd be without it. They have their strength because of their respective ancestors.

I would say theyre all on the same level as the previous transmigrant just with different powers.

Ashura and his giant chakra avatar.
Hashi and his mokuton.
Naruto and his 9 bijuu.

Indra and his Susano'o.
Madara and his Susano'o.
Sasuke and his.

Thats not including gaining the sages chakra or other outside influences.

1. No they were born stronger. Ashura and Indra only incarnated into them.. its not them being born as Hashirama and Madara.. Just like how Hiruzen was randomly an op Sarutobi.

2. Hashirama had mokuton + SM. Ashura's chakra avatar is same size as NAruto's BM

3. Madara is the more skilled one tho.. lol. He also has more "up to date" jutsu than Indra.

Anddd what sage's chakra they gained? Only Naruto and sasuke recieved the seal powers..

 

[spade3dg]

1. No they were born stronger. Ashura and Indra only incarnated into them.. its not them being born as Hashirama and Madara.. Just like how Hiruzen was randomly an op Sarutobi.

2. Hashirama had mokuton + SM. Ashura's chakra avatar is same size as NAruto's BM

3. Madara is the more skilled one tho.. lol. He also has more "up to date" jutsu than Indra.

Anddd what sage's chakra they gained? Only Naruto and sasuke recieved the seal powers..

Whats your proof that they were born stronger? Because they have more feats? That doesnt mean a thing. You couldnt tell who's stronger until you pit them against each other.

I said in the last sentence theyre equal but thats not including the sages chakra or other outside influences.


Having more up to date jutsu doesnt stop someone from getting destroyed by a single jutsu.


Hagoromo had one justu shown that isnt "up to date" and its more of an impressive feat than anyone shown by an "up to date" ninja. He made the moon. Using CT.

Sasukes CT orbs are around the same size as Madaras. It hasnt been shown for Indra to have it. His Susano'o dwarfs the bijiu avatar. Which is the size of narutos avatar.

Like I said until proven otherwise or stated by Kishi. The transmigrants are equal until proven otherwise. Thats not including having the sages chakra.


Currently Naruto and Sasuke > the other transmigrants

 

[wael reda]

/facepalm People actually think Hashi and 'dara are stronger than Indra and Ashura? Indra's Susano'o's head is about the size of Ashura's chakra Avatar... Chakra Avatars are the size of Sasuke's Susano'o... Indra has the biggest Susano'o. He probably shaped the Shinobi World Map with his PS Slashes. And you can even infer children who were directly from the Sage are far more powerful than their transmigrates.[SUB] You must be registered for see images [/SUB]

Lol, people still take this scan seriously

compare Andra’s size to his ps head and then compare madara size to his ps head and you would realize that both of andra’s ps and madara’s are the same size unless Andra was as big as transformed choji

 

[KidGamer65]

Kaguya proved that hype needs feats to validate it.

Kaguya was supposed to be the all powerful god of the Narutoverse, and yet she had little to no true combat experience or knowledge and was theoretically weaker than even incomplete JJ Madara.

Even though Kaguya gave Naruto and Sasuke a much harder time than Incomplete JJ Madara? Lmao, the Kaguya downplay on this site is disgusting.

OT: Anyone using a Rikudo Chakra enhanced battle Avatar takes a dump on Hashirama and Madara.