SM Madara vs BM Minato and BSM Naruto
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EMS Sasuke and BSM Naruto win. BM and BSM lose because they have nothing to defend from Gedo Mazo, while Sasuke can protect Naruto's Avatar with it. That and the fact that if they fuse, Limbo can't bust it open.
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SS isn't beating a superior Kurama PS combo when it lost all its arms against a weaker one.
OT: Father Son Duo wins. Limbo can't hurt Naruto or Minato through the Kurama Avatar, and Hiraishin lets him and Naruto evade the Gedo Mazo chains regardless of being knocked around by Limbo. A big enough Bijuu Dama blows the Gedo Mazo to bits after the chains have been evaded. From there on out, Madara has no way to take them both out.
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Nope. Its not like Susanoo. Stronger chakra isn't going to make the jutsu stronger. So it'll be the same as Hashirama's.
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Limbo smacks them to the ground, and then Gedo Mazou chains them until two Kurama are drained out. Afterwards, Naruto and Minato die from extraction. If you want an actual match-up, restrict the Rinnegan techniques, black rods and PS.
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If they get captured by the chain, they can't access to their Chakra. [
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] But of course, with Limbo smacking Minato, it's easy.Why wont it?
the stronger the chakra the stronger and more amplified the jutsu gets,
its the same with even amaterasu,
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, due to the former obviously possessing stronger chakra, kamui was also multiplied by over 3x thanks to the kyuubis chakra which is superior to kakashis own,
i dont see what makes SS so different that its the only exception to this rule?
madara here has hagoromos chakra, on top of his own powerful chakra, claiming that his SS will be the same as hashiramas makes no sense, unless you think that hashiramas chakra = madaras and hagoromos chakra Lol .
I never said that its beating the combo,
all i said was that it has the ability of busting PS which it most certainly does
It knocks them around meters away, and intercepts all of their attempts of forming TBB,
not to mention that the father son duo lack a way to percieve or hurt the limbo clone, so its most likely the other way around
The gedo chains prevent the users to access their chakra,
and madara uses rinbo hengoku to intercept the TBB, so its not happening
Why is that?
Chakra rods, gedo chains, to immobilise them, and the fact that SS can use its big arms to throw the TBB right back at the father son duo, as now they dont have somehting like PS swords to prevent that from happening
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That's only with Susanoo, as its made of chakra.
EMS Sasuke has shown Amaterasu on that level. So no. Not to mention more flame would require more chakra.
Because that is how the Kyuubi's Cloak works.
There is no rule. Stronger chakra=/=Stronger Jutsu. The only reason it does that with Susanoo is because Susanoo is formed from the user's chakra.
madara here has hagoromos chakra, on top of his own powerful chakra, claiming that his SS will be the same as hashiramas makes no sense, unless you think that hashiramas chakra = madaras and hagoromos chakra Lol .
Still doesn't do damage, so its irrelevant, nor will it stop them from forming Bijuu Dama, or Naruto's clones from forming Chou FRS inside the Avatar.
They don't need to hurt or perceive it. There is a period of time where it rejoins with Madara.
1. They have to hit first. Which they won't do to Hiraishin.
2. Fanfiction. The Gedo Chains suppress Bijuu power.
Intercept? Lol. Call me when Limbo can "intercept" a normal Bijuu Dama let alone one the size of a Bijuu. It goes right through the clone and nukes the Mazo. Hitting their Avatars over and over isn't going to stop them from forming Bijuu Dama, unless it messes with Naruto or Minato's chakra control, as they are the ones who form the Bijuu Dama, not the Avatar itself. And it doesn't do that, so it doesn't stop them.
Not to mention there is the interval its back in Madara's body.
His black rods aren't a factor against two Kurama Avatars. Can't pierce them, and he would only get squashed like a bug if he tried to do this.
Without the Gedo Mazo? Uh, yeah. Not happening unless he has chakra stakes in them first, which he can't do.
I hope you aren't implying that Shinsuusenju solos them both. Minato just teleports a combo Bijuu Dama right behind the statue and blows it apart.
and? what is SS made of?
He has shown enton, but rikudo sasukes normal amatearsu is certainly on a different level than EMS Sasukes
if there was no difference in their chakra than their susanoos would have been the same but that is clearly not the case
The stronger the chakra the more amplified the technique gets
the users chakra is used to perform the jutsu, so the stronger chakra would yeild to stronger jutsu
just look at the difference in TBB between RSM Naruto and BSM, the stronger chakra is one of the main reason why the TBB is on a whole other level,
Kuramas chakra is more potent than Hachibis, hence why its TBB are superior, its common sense,
madara here has hagoromos chakra, on top of his own powerful chakra, claiming that his SS will be the same as hashiramas makes no sense, unless you think that hashiramas chakra = madaras and hagoromos chakra Lol .
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, ofcourse it will stop them forming a TBB, as for FRS, its non factor as even preta path has shown to have been capable of absorbing the jutsu just fine, or madara can intercept them again thanks to limbo,
or he can even dodge them through his speed,
And how would they know this exactly?
Limbo knocks them, then the chains come out, they are not getting up immediately,
this battle is not much different to madara vs naruto and the bijuus,
Yes, they do, i dont see wheres the fanfic here?
dafuq,
TBBs charge up gets intercepted completely meaning that its not even getting fired at madara Lol
and madara can also use limbo to attack them, causing their own TBB to land right at them
Yes, and when there is an interval, madara still has SS to combat them, and can use its big hands to throw the TBB right back at them
I dont see where you are going with this, when i never stated that GM would not be used, Lol
Provided if he has a marking, and i never stated that SS would solo both,
and Lol one TBB is tanked by SS with ease, or eve thrown back at Minato,
and i hope ur not implying that one TBB from Minato is stronger than 12 PS-infused TBB
and like i said, all their attempts of forming TBB are halted by Limbo, they are not forming the TBB before limbo smacks them around,
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Mokuton. Not chakra. Mokuton is made of chakra.
No, its not.
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They have both used human sized Amaterasu. I don't where you are getting this from, but its fanfic.
Never said there wasn't a difference.
Nope. That's something you just made up on the spot. Susanoo gets stronger because its made ofthe user's chakra.
Not for every jutsu, especially not for any kind of Mokuton Ninjutsu. Kurama's standard Bijuu Dama is no stronger than the rest of the Bijuus standard Bijuu Dama if they are the same size, despite Kurama having stronger chakra. (according to you)
Uh, RSM Naruto has Rikudo Senjutsu boosting his techniques. BSM Naruto only has Sage Mode. That is the major difference. Not "Stronger chakra"
Kurama has more chakra, thus makes larger Bijuu Dama than Hachibi. A Bijuu Dama from them that is the same size will be the same strength, so no, its not common sense. You are trying to twist what stronger chakra did for Susanoo into stronger chakra=stronger jutsu. If Hachibi and Kurama use the same size BD, it'll be the same strength. Thus chakra potency has nothing to do with it.
Claiming chakra strength has anything to do with a construct that isn't even made of chakra is what makes no sense, and none of your evidence makes sense.
-Tried to use Sasuke's Amaterasu as evidence.
Manga shows there is no difference.
-Tried to use Hachibi and Kurama as evidence.
Manga shows that all same sized Bijuu Dama from Bijuu 1-9 are the same strength.
-Tried to use BSM Naruto and RSM Naruto as evidence.
Manga shows that they both have modes designed for amplifying Jutsu, and RSM Naruto's is way above BSM Naruto's.
-Says stronger chakra equals stronger Mokuton.
Which is based on nothing and makes no sense considering Mokuton isn't made of chakra.
Knocking them back=/=Stopping them from molding chakra.
Its been shown to absorb multiple Chou FRS? Oh wait, it hasn't. Not to mention the target is the Gedo, not Madara.
1. Stop using intercept incorrectly, it causes me to misunderstand your argument.
2. If you mean "intercept" like you meant it for the Bijuu Dama, then this makes even less sense since hitting the Kurama Avatar isn't going to do anything to the clones inside.
Multiple Chou FRS? Ha, no. He can't evade multiple Chou FRS and their blast radius.
They don't need to know it. Once the clone disappears, nothing will stop them from forming Bijuu Dama. That simple.
No one ever said they needed to get up. Minato can teleport both of them, and they can establish a link with each other via chakra, so they can teleport together without making any contact.
Its very different. Naruto has intel, knows that once he's caught he can't leave Kurama Mode, and he has a teleporter by his side.
Yet I see no proof, or even evidence, from your side. Thus its fanfic.
When hitting the avatar causes Naruto to be unable to mold chakra, then we can talk.
I'm just going to wait for you to explain how Madara hitting their bodies with Limbo will cause their Bijuu Dama to magically hit them. Lol. Half of your post doesn't even make sense.
-States that Limbo will stop Minato and Naruto from molding chakra, has zero proof that being hit will stop them from molding chakra. Juubi smacked them and they still formed Bijuu Dama. Same thing happens with Limbo. [
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]-States that the Gedo Chains stop the target from using chakra, has no manga scan supporting it.
-States that Chou FRS are "intercepted" with Limbo. Makes even less sense than the Bijuu Dama thing for the same exact reason.
Teleport it to the back of SS and it won't be able to catch anything at all.
I said after the GM is taken out, he has nothing left. You replied with that, thus you were referring to what happens after the Mazo is taken out. If you weren't, you obviously shouldn't have replied to that part of my post with that specific reply.
He spreads his Kunai at match start.
Lol. Nice joke pal. SS doesn't have the durability feats to tank a Bijuu Sized Bijuu Dama, or one that completely dwarfs Bijuu, not when Standard Bijuu Dama blades were cutting the hands even before the explosion. The only way it'd "tank" it is by losing a bunch of hands, which protects the main construct...though the offensive power is severely limited. Add Senjutsu to a Super Bijuu Dama and it'd be strong enough to destroy the construct, not even gonna mention a combined Bijuu Dama.
He can't throw something back that has been teleported right into the construct.
A combined Senjutsu Super Bijuu Dama>>11 Standard Bijuu Dama. Senjutsu Flash Bijuu Dama>11 Standard Bijuu Dama.
Pretty much 99% of what you said isn't backed up by any sort of manga fact. Just terrible logic.
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Madara wins neither of them can sense or see Limbo. BM Naruto without Kurama avatar swatted charged bijuudama's like there were nothing Limbo replicates the same feat. Once there down Gedo Mazo proceeds to suck them up like ramen...
@Kifflom the Amaterasu that hit Killer bee was much larger than that of Kaguya's.
@Kifflom the Amaterasu that hit Killer bee was much larger than that of Kaguya's.
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