[VS] CS2 Sasuke vs SM Naruto

[Transcendence]

Sasuke has better CQC advantages, faster in speed, better precognition, deadlier techniques. Wins no higher than mid difficulty.​

CQC? Sennin Modo stomps in Close quarters, regardless if Naruto touches him or not, given the natural energy advantage.

Speed? It's not overwhelming enough to catch a Sage Mode user off guard. Naruto will have no problems reacting to Sasuke.

What's pre-cognition going to do when he can't see Frog Kata at all? Let alone fending off multiple boss summons.

Deadlier techniques? The strongest technique between the both of them is Rasenshuriken, and it counters Kirin, Sasuke's strongest technique in Hebi form based on the elemental advantage principle.

 

[Benjamin King]

CQC? Sennin Modo stomps in Close quarters, regardless if Naruto touches him or not, given the natural energy advantage.

If he gets too close, Chidori Nagashi paralyses his nerves and leaving him vulnerable.

Speed? It's not overwhelming enough to catch a Sage Mode user off guard. Naruto will have no problems reacting to Sasuke.

Yet it was overwhelming enough for Base Madara to blitz through SM Naruto, while Sasuke kept up fine with him.

What's pre-cognition going to do when he can't see Frog Kata at all? Let alone fending off multiple boss summons.

The toads either get controlled by Sasuke's Sharingan or Aoda beats them. And as I said, Sasuke's close-range Raiton can easily put Naruto down.

Deadlier techniques? The strongest technique between the both of them is Rasenshuriken, and it counters Kirin, Sasuke's strongest technique in Hebi form based on the elemental advantage principle.

Sasuke has deadlier techniques from every range.

 

[Transcendence]

If he gets too close, Chidori Nagashi paralyses his nerves and leaving him vulnerable.



Yet it was overwhelming enough for Base Madara to blitz through SM Naruto, while Sasuke kept up fine with him.



The toads either get controlled by Sasuke's Sharingan or Aoda beats them. And as I said, Sasuke's close-range Raiton can easily put Naruto down.



Sasuke has deadlier techniques from every range.

So now we're giving Hebi Sasuke feats from EMS Sasuke, an older, stronger form of Sasuke?

 

[Benjamin King]

So now we're giving Hebi Sasuke feats from EMS Sasuke, an older, stronger form of Sasuke?

Proof that EMS Sasuke got better speed? And since you're want Draphsin to argue with me, go cry elsewhere.

 

[Rιver]

Sasuke wins high diff against Pain arc SM Naruto.
-Kurama doesn't like Naruto, Genjutsu gg.

-Sasuke's speed feats are far superior, being able to vastly out-speed Deidara who was quicker than Jin Gaara's sand.

Deidara isn't any that fast, Sasuke is indeed fast but he got schooled by B and B isn't any faster than Sandaime Raikage who got schooled by Naruto.

-CM2 gives him greater speed and ability to fly far out of FRS's range before it explodes, since a mine explodes quicker than an FRS travels and expands. Asura Path and Naraka dodged FRS from a close range with no shunshin, Sasuke replicates this with ease.

Doesn't make him any faster than HM Naruto going by that logic. If he attempts to fly out of range Ma and Pa stop him with Frog Song that paralyzes Sasuke and Naruto ends him with an expanding FRS. This also works on land.

-Sasuke's Katon's aren't being dodged, his snakes aren't being dodged either.

Considering Team 7 dodged Itachi's, Itachi dodged Sasuke's everytime saying Naruto doesn't with HM is a bit of a pun. Or Bunta counters it with his Suiton.

Snakes aren't a factor here Naruto rips them apart with sheer strength or throws them to oblivion.

-Sasuke has Manda, who is vastly superior to any of Naruto's Toad summons.

Naruto's clone handles Manda by throwing it, using FRS or 3 boss summons destroy Manda.

-Sasuke won't get outdone by Naruto's pre-cog, when Sasuke has one that is superior feat-wise.

No, both have evaded Raikage and Kawazu Kumite by clones wreck Sasuke. He doesn't have to hit him and Sasuke won't see it.

-Sasuke's Raiton enhanced range nullifies Naruto's Frog Kata.

No, Kawazu Kumite is the one to nullify his Raiton.

-Chidori Nagashi and Chidori Senbon take a shit on Naruto's clones, who have canonically been 'poofed' by Itachi's Kunai's.

HM has been penetrated by others? What. Chidori senbon are tanked and Nagashi is tanked and Kawazu Kumite ends him.

-Forest location helps Sasuke. He has shown to use tree's to his advantage to gain vast speed with his snakes pulling him to location's. Sasuke can attack clones behind trees with his Chidori variants since he can see through objects with the Sharingan.

No, Naruto will not see but feel every single thing around him. Ma uses Dust Cloud to cloud his Sharingan vision and Naruto uses massive Rasengan combo obliterate Sasuke or throws FRS after paralyzing Sasuke. Sasuke loses med difficulty.

 

[Transcendence]

Proof that EMS Sasuke got better speed? And since you're want Draphsin to argue with me, go cry elsewhere.

The mere fact that Current Sasuke (whom was EMS Sasuke 20 minutes in the manga) could get to the VoTE in one page through pure foot speed?

And I'm leaving to do more productive things. Don't hype yourself man. Just because you take the form of the formatting for debaters here on this site doesn't make you a good one. Your obvious bias to many characters already cements the fact that you won't be taken seriously here at all.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I believe two Hebi Sasuke's could make it out of here with a victory.

One loses mid diff.

 

[lanakui8]

^^^^^ madara literally

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Unless someone wants to argue that the EMS doesn't give any better reactions than the 3 tomoe sharingan, hebi sasuke does not get EMS SAsuke's feats.

 

[Benjamin King]

The mere fact that Current Sasuke (whom was EMS Sasuke 20 minutes in the manga) could get to the VoTE in one page through pure foot speed?

Blindly can't see that Kishi won't be drawing a chapter where Naruto and Sasuke running days to the VOTE.

And I'm leaving to do more productive things. Don't hype yourself man. Just because you take the form of the formatting for debaters here on this site doesn't make you a good one. Your obvious bias to many characters already cements the fact that you won't be taken seriously here at all.

Funny you say I can't be taken serious, then you reply to me. Don't be a hypocrite and act so highly. GTFO now.

 

[lanakui8]

^^^^ so you believe the same sasuke who juubi jinchuriki maara considers fast = hebi sasuke in speed?

 

[Transcendence]

Blindly can't see that Kishi won't be drawing a chapter where Naruto and Sasuke running days to the VOTE.



Funny you say I can't be taken serious, then you reply to me. Don't be a hypocrite and act so highly. GTFO now.

Scan posted above by another member also proves what I said. The Choku tomoe present in Sasuke and Madara's MS allows for more fluid movement, which shows when Sasuke's foot speed is immense and Base Rinne Tensei Madara was blitzing Sennin Modo Naruto. So yes, you're attributing a faster version of Sasuke's feats to a slower, weaker version in an attempt to belittle an obvious win for Naruto here.

 

[Benjamin King]

What EMS gave Sasuke is better predicting moves. This means he can move better with stronger Sharingan. My argument was about speed, nothing more.

 

[lanakui8]

What EMS gave Sasuke is better predicting moves. This means he can move better with stronger Sharingan. My argument was about speed, nothing more.

Madara didn't say it gave him better predicting moves, it said it gave him better movements. And if it did increase sasuke's ability to predict, then how can you say keeping up with madara is a speed feat for him when it could be a result of his increased precognition?

Finally, EMS gives sasuke a far more powerful chakra as it fuses his own chakras with itachi's. All body movements are powered by chakra, shunshin is as well, Sasuke's speed would therefore get a great increase as well.

 

[Draphsin]

Idk how this is debatable, SM naruto wins as he's simply too much for sasuke.

- Frog kata takes care of cqc, sharingan precog can't track senjutsu, & if sasuke gets hit like

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then the match is over, not to mention naruto's increased

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which enable him to keep up with sasuke.

- Any FRS that hits is going to kill sasuke, no questions & naruto has 2 for each refill of senjutsu. [

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] That means naruto has 8 chances to end this match in one jutsu if we include his original, & with a blast radius like

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sasuke won't escape unless he does what he did against deidara [

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- Sasuke's best shot at victory here is to use kirin but he won't be able to prep it before naruto sends a FRS his way. & I almost forgot about our two frog sages who can do

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to stun sasuke long enough for naruto to prep one of

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[Benjamin King]

Madara didn't say it gave him better predicting moves, it said it gave him better movements. And if it did increase sasuke's ability to predict, then how can you say keeping up with madara is a speed feat for him when it could be a result of his increased precognition?

Finally, EMS gives sasuke a far more powerful chakra as it fuses his own chakras with itachi's. All body movements are powered by chakra, shunshin is as well, Sasuke's speed would therefore get a great increase as well.

The context was about Choku Tomoe's ability to allow the user to predict his opponent's movements better, meaning predicting opponent's movements will allow you to move better.

Fail. The Chakra resides in the eyes, not body.

 

[Apêx1]

Deidara isn't any that fast, Sasuke is indeed fast but he got schooled by B and B isn't any faster than Sandaime Raikage who got schooled by Naruto.

Juugo said Itachi was still tired fromt he Itachi fight. Sasuke only ever got schooled by speed alone when he looked away from Bee after genjutsu. Apart from that he did a backflip on v1 Bee's back and said it was easy to see his movements. v1 Bee's speed is far above 3rd Raikage, 3rd Raikage has little to no speed feats. No need to attribute his father's speed to him.

Doesn't make him any faster than HM Naruto going by that logic. If he attempts to fly out of range Ma and Pa stop him with Frog Song that paralyzes Sasuke and Naruto ends him with an expanding FRS. This also works on land.

Since when can Ma and Pa be used in here? Last I checked they were incompatible with non-perfect Jin Naruto. Them standing around means they get caught in genjutsu and tongue out Naruto's **** (literally).

Considering Team 7 dodged Itachi's, Itachi dodged Sasuke's everytime saying Naruto doesn't with HM is a bit of a pun. Or Bunta counters it with his Suiton.

Team 7 dodged 30% Itachi's, in which Kakashi realised there was something wrong. Not to mention Sasuke's Katon Dragon can be shet continuously. Bunta is here? Good thing, he's either been killed by Manda or been used in a genjutsu to kill Naruto. Naruto has no way in knowing Bunta is in genjutsu, so he's lost already.

Snakes aren't a factor here Naruto rips them apart with sheer strength or throws them to oblivion.

I meant Aoda/Manda, but alright.

Naruto's clone handles Manda by throwing it, using FRS or 3 boss summons destroy Manda.

Naruto can now throw Manda who is many times larger than anything he's ever carried or thrown? Nope. Manda briefly survived C0, not a chance in hell does FRS kill him, not to mention Sasuke won't watch Naruto throwing FRS, nor will Manda, who can dig into the ground with ease to avoid it. Naruto can summon 3 toads? Good thing, he's nearly out of chakra and it's become Manda and Bunta vs Gamahiro and Gamaken, it's clear who the victor is in this scuffle.

No, both have evaded Raikage and Kawazu Kumite by clones wreck Sasuke. He doesn't have to hit him and Sasuke won't see it.

Again, since when is v1 Ay=3rd Raikage. Show me a scan as I don't recall this at all. Kumite isn't touching Sasuke's superior reach with Raiton enhanced Kusanagi/Chidori Eiso. Chidori Nagashi isn't being dodged either. Only works if Sasuke is in Naruto's range, which he will never be in.

No, Kawazu Kumite is the one to nullify his Raiton.

Based on what? Last I checked SM users were definitely piercable, Sasuke's Raiton being one of the most penetrative attacks in the manga. Again, I need to see feats of him stopping something slightly less penetrative than Chidori with his bare hands/body.

HM has been penetrated by others? What. Chidori senbon are tanked and Nagashi is tanked and Kawazu Kumite ends him.

Never said they were HM.. Naruto did 2 Kage Bunshin, 2 base Rasengans, 2 Chou Odama Rasengan's and 1 FRS and was drained. Don't see how he does much to Sasuke in such a brief time. And yes, Kabuto's horn was cut off by a normal sword, not a Raiton enhanced sword. Don't even try to debate Raiton not cutting through him like butter. How can nagashi be tanked? Wtf, it's not necessarily a physically damaging attack ..

No, Naruto will not see but feel every single thing around him. Ma uses Dust Cloud to cloud his Sharingan vision and Naruto uses massive Rasengan combo obliterate Sasuke or throws FRS after paralyzing Sasuke. Sasuke loses med difficulty.

Sharingan sees through the floor. Sharingan saw through this cloud [

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] whereas the Rinnegan couldn't. And yes, Nagato is looking in the direction of the cloud, similarly to the paths who got taken out and couldn't see. Sharingan can only not see the chakra signature of the jutsu initiator, hence hidden mist contains the same chakra signature as the user, so you can't see him as you cannot differentiate. Naruto and Pa will be different, thus they are still both seen and attacked without difficulties.

You ignored genjutsu, no counters?..

 

[lanakui8]

The context was about Choku Tomoe's ability to allow the user to predict his opponent's movements better, meaning predicting opponent's movements will allow you to move better.

based on what was that the context? ANd then again, you are left with the problem of being unable to claim that feat as a speed feat for sasuke.

Fail. The Chakra resides in the eyes, not body.

Based on what?

Sasuke literally said he could feel itachi's power flowing into him when he implanted itachi's eyes.

 

[LuckyMan]

Based on what?

Sasuke literally said he could feel itachi's power flowing into him when he implanted itachi's eyes.

The chakra is only in Sasuke's eyes. Not in his body. Shisui's chakra was only in Danzos eye socket, not the rest of his body.

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[Benjamin King]

based on what was that the context? ANd then again, you are left with the problem of being unable to claim that feat as a speed feat for sasuke.

Fluid movements refers to better movements as in Sasuke predicting his opponent's movements, and reacting both physically and mentally better. Do you have trouble picking out key points? Why would it be my problem? All I asked for was if Sasuke's physical speed increased.

Based on what?

Sasuke literally said he could feel itachi's power flowing into him when he implanted itachi's eyes.

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What ever Chakra he felt in Itachi's power, it was through his eyes. That ''Chakra'' sprouts from the Sharingan. I'll wait for your fan-fict that Sasuke got physically faster by that Chakra.

 

[makosheva7]

Although SM Naruto is superior in almost every way, he still has no counter to genjutsu (since it's Pain Arc SM Naruto), so I'd have to say Hebi Sasuke wins mid-high diff. Open to hearing an argument against genjutsu being Naruto's end.