[VS] Nagato vs Hashirama

[Haizaki]

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Could you show us this calculation that proves it's that big? Lol

Bro just don't waste your time Lol. This is the nine tails when compared to the hidden leaf

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Nagato's CT and if you look closely, you'll see Deva right at the middle

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, SS to Kurama

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which is far larger than the distance from Deva while in air to the ground

Not to mention ST isn't doing Jack to one who was caught up in the explosions of several BD.

 

[blazekev90]

What's with this "merge w/ rocks" to counter CT argument people keep using l?!? That wouldn't work lol.

 

[Unorthodox]

Base Hashirama loses SM Hashirama negs

 

[Apêx1]

What's with this "merge w/ rocks" to counter CT argument people keep using l?!? That wouldn't work lol.

Yes, it would, as he can move freely within the CT ie mayfly. Not to mention he can sit in his Hobi and survive, then take his leave in case you think the rocks inside will break.

 

[Unorthodox]

change my mind mayfly does counter Chibaku tensei Base Hashirama wins high tho

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

Plus, with an IC mindset, why would Nagato use CT?

 

[Conspirator.]

What's with this "merge w/ rocks" to counter CT argument people keep using l?!? That wouldn't work lol.

What makes Chibaku Tensei such a powerful technique is that the victim is grinded between the rubble that is gathered from the surrounding environment. However, by merging with the rocks Hashirama is perfectly hidden within the rocks, so he's shielded from CT.

 

[The Sach]

I have to say Base Hashirama is pretty much underrated here.
He is pretty OP and can take this mid-high diff.
-In case of immobile opponent such as Nagato, Hashirama is at high amount of advantage, as he has excellent speed, excellent taijutsu usage and is pretty good with weapons.
-Nagato hasn't shown very high amount of genjutsu prowess, typically making BOD vs Nagato an interesting situation for Nagato to counter.
-Is merging with the rocks going to be an effective counter for CT? I would like to say, yes, but to some degree as I believe tremors or the technique can still be felt even if Hashi combines with Rocks.

 

[Demonic.]

Base Hashirama high diffs this clown.

And Lol at the idiot that says CT is bigger than SS when it couldnt even cover the entire 50% Kurama as it started popping out.

 

[Benjamin King]

Mayfly only merges with the environment. Chibaku Tensei's core still activates the gravitational force, meaning Hashirama will be pulled backwards to the core, as Itachi suggested. Mayfly doesn't counter, never was and never will.​

 

[Apêx1]

Mayfly only merges with the environment. Chibaku Tensei's core still activates the gravitational force, meaning Hashirama will be pulled backwards to the core, as Itachi suggested. Mayfly doesn't counter, never was and never will.​

Itachi can still use his Hobi and wait out CT's gravitational field until he can escape his Hobi with mayfly.

 

[Benjamin King]

Itachi can still use his Hobi and wait out CT's gravitational field until he can escape his Hobi with mayfly.

You can't escape CT's gravitational force. It will pull everything surrounded by its range. Mayfly doesn't counter it, the core is still pulls the user. It's nothing more than merging with the environment, and that environment is being pulled.​

 

[NSUNSR]

itachi can still use his hobi and wait out ct's gravitational field until he can escape his hobi with mayfly.

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[Benjamin King]

As to also further Mayfly is not countering CT, I made a thread about it:

I've seen this belief on Nagato vs Hashirama thread, that Hashirama can Mayfly to counter Chibaku Tensei. To be honest, it's fallacious and not true.

To first establish the refute, what is Mayfly:



As written on the quote, it allows the user to merge with the environment, such as trees, rocks or sand. Here is the thing: Chibaku Tensei has powerful gravitational force to pull anything around its range. As proven by these scans, it pulled all the objects Mayfly can merge with:

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To further how much force it has, it pulled all mountains:

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The thing is, the core is still activating the gravity even after completing the desired size of the Jutsu, otherwise the rocks that are attached to each other, will just fall off as there is nothing that's keeping them compressed and on place. Therefore, Mayfly is no logical counter to Chibaku Tensei.​

 

[Strict]

Hashirama will protect himself with the Hobi no Jutsu, which withstood the power of Kyuubi's Bijuudama easily. From there on, he lets a tendril grow through the Chibaku Tensei up to the core, which then gets pierced or absorbed. A tendril will easily drill through rocks [

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There is no way Nagato can win. No way. For obvious reasons, Base Hashirama wins with no more than mid diff.

 

[Apêx1]

You can't escape CT's gravitational force. It will pull everything surrounded by its range. Mayfly doesn't counter it, the core is still pulls the user. It's nothing more than merging with the environment, and that environment is being pulled.​

Mayfly still has the speed to cross the distance CT affects with ease.

 

[Benjamin King]

Hashirama will protect himself with the Hobi no Jutsu, which withstood the power of Kyuubi's Bijuudama easily. From there on, he lets a tendril grow through the Chibaku Tensei up to the core, which then gets pierced or absorbed. A tendril will easily drill through rocks [

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].

There is no way Nagato can win. No way. For obvious reasons, Base Hashirama wins with no more than mid diff.

Implying a drill will pierce through a rock that easily takes proportion of mountains? What a joke.

 

[Benjamin King]

Mayfly still has the speed to cross the distance CT inflicts with ease.

No, it doesn't. The crater CT covered was 1484 meters seconds after it's cast. Unless you're telling me Mayfly can cross that much distance in that short amount of time?

 

[Strict]

Implying a drill will pierce through a rock that easily takes proportion of mountains? What a joke.

The amount of rocks is irrelevant, since the material remains the same and Hashirama will continue the tendril growing so it forcefully gets through them. You just don't want to accept it.

 

[Benjamin King]

The amount of rocks is irrelevant, since the material remains the same and Hashirama will continue the tendril growing so it forcefully gets through them. You just don't want to accept it.

A number of rocks that made up mountains is apparently irrelevant? Again, good joke. So you imply that he's inside the CT? In any case, his body gets crushed by the massive rocks. Accept it? I don't accept stupidity.