So Sasuke needs Bjuu Chakra to match Naruto lmao?

[DemonicAvenger]

Yea, its pretty bad that Sasuke needed the power up to get Naruto serious.​

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[Uzumaki Tarein]

Sasuke is fighting to kill while Naruto is not. Sasuke needed to amp his power with an outside source to have Naruto fight seriously.

I'm not saying that I'm an Itachi fan, but why isnt he on the top 10 list but ancient people are? Nagato isn't on the list either.

 

[Uzumaki Tarein]

I am of the opinion that the term "borrowed power" is contrived, because none of the characters in the story proper ever mention it. There is no need for fans of either character to be upset, because Naruto and Sasuke are simply being true to their characterizations and characters themselves.

I will state plainly that I think Sasuke currently has more power than Naruto, at least in the typical sense when one thinks about the word. This is not something to be alarmed about, because being upset about this is actually an insult to Naruto himself. Let us consider what Sasuke is. He is the end result of countless generations of the reincarnation of a man that viewed "power" (in the tangible sense) to be superior to everything. Madara, the previous reincarnation, also said the same thing to the 5 kage, saying that power is something that is tangible, as opposed to Tsunade's view that the will of fire was power. Therefore it is totally understandable that Sasuke would eventually reach the pinnacle of power as he has now. He is in possession of the strongest eyes, and through utilizing his susanoo as a makeshift gedo mazo, has essentially gained the powers of the ten tailed beast. To him, they are just power. The very will of his chakra is to stand at the top in terms of power, and he is being true to it.

In comparison, Naruto is the end result of countless generations of the reincarnation of a man that viewed love to be superior to all. As a result, him lacking less power than Sasuke (once again, at least in typical terms) is acceptable, because it is not important to him. BUT, what he lacks in tangible power he more than makes up in the power of the heart. He has the "power" to unite people through nothing more than the gravity of his personality, flaws included. He needed the help of the shinobit alliance, the bijuu, and in the future he will most certainly depend on others. But that is who he is. The will of HIS chakra is to use love and cooperation as the reason and endpoint for his actions. And, what makes him unique as a reincarnation is that he has NOT come to the point where he is willing to sacrifice the current reincarnation of Indra in the name of a greater goal, like Ashura and Hashirama before him. And that is why he is the protagonist that Hagoromo, and Kishimoto entrusted the future to.

To conclude this, render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, that is to say, appreciate Sasuke for his overwhelming power. Sasuke is a representation of "the power of power," and it is therefore not a bad thing him being more powerful than Naruto, which should help him appeal to his fans. On the other hand, Naruto is a representation of "the power of love," and though he is tangibly weaker than Sasuke, it is his spiral of the power of love (using his feelings to give him strength, and in turn using his strength to protect his feelings) that may ultimately lead to his victory. While being inferior in "power," him attaining victory is what should make him appeal to HIS fans.

What do you think?

Preach my bother, PREACH!!

 

[bashkim]

Don´t worry Naruto will use his hide in power to beat Sasuke.

 

[Uzumaki Tarein]

Naruto once told Yamato that he's gonna use his own power to beat Sasuke and wouldn't need the power of the kyubbi. That's exactly what's gonna happen!

 

[HBKJames]

Typical of Sasuke fans to turn this into a "borrowed power" argument. At this point in time, no one ****ing cares. What's important is the fact that Sasky needed a powerup to step up to the big boyz.

unlike the numerous powerups Naruto got in order to stay relevant

 

[UzumakiWade]

unlike the numerous powerups Naruto got in order to stay relevant

Are we seriously still doing this stupid "free power-ups argument?"

All chakra comes from the shinju/juubi/whatever which means everyone has free power-ups ergo nobody has more than another.

OT : however i do agree that its sad Sasuke needed bijuu chakra just to keep up with a BM Naruto.

 

[WalksInShadows]

naruto needed all 9 against Maddy/Kaguya but that ok right?

you need to reread the manga. Obito put those bijuu portions in Naruto while he was still dying. Naruto wasn't begging for someone to give him powers to fight Madara.

Holding back is irrelevant, Sasuke is capable of going toe to toe with Naruto prior, he wasn't going all out either, not even remotely close.

if holding back was irrelevant, then some of everybody wouldn't have been trying to use how Sasuke is supposedly doing it as an argument. Clearly Sasuke wasn't in Naruto's league w/o it, otherwise he wouldn't have had to resort to eat his own words in taking it.

The real question we should be asking is can Sasuke use all that chakra with his techniques?

given Sasuke's lack of imagination lately, i wouldn't expect to see him change things up at least a little. It's seems like every power up he gets, he's still slinging arrows/bolts at somebody.

It looks like Sasuke has been godstomping for two chapters now. Idk what manga Sasuke haters be reading.

the manga that Earth ppl are reading.

I disagree.. Sasuke got chakra, not help.

Some people don't understand the difference between help (cooperation) and slavery.

Its not like the bijuu are assisting Sasuke.

I guess Sasuke was helping Yoroi beat him in the chuunin exams, since Yoroi absorbed his chakra. Lol

Does anyone know the difference between rape and consensual ***?

Sasuke takes what he wants.

Naruto begs for what he wants. End of story.

it's help, no matter how you slice it. If it's something that's raising his power lvl or changing his abilities to contend with somebody, it's help. If there is any difference, it's practically negligible.

unlike the numerous powerups Naruto got in order to stay relevant

if Kishimoto hadn't made it a point to give Sasuke powerups as well, most ppl would've forgot he even existed.

 

[UzumakiWade]

you need to reread the manga. Obito put those bijuu portions in Naruto while he was still dying. Naruto wasn't begging for someone to give him powers to fight Madara.

if holding back was irrelevant, then some of everybody wouldn't have been trying to use how Sasuke is supposedly doing it as an argument. Clearly Sasuke wasn't in Naruto's league w/o it, otherwise he wouldn't have had to resort to eat his own words in taking it.

given Sasuke's lack of imagination lately, i wouldn't expect to see him change things up at least a little. It's seems like every power up he gets, he's still slinging arrows/bolts at somebody.

the manga that Earth ppl are reading.



it's help, no matter how you slice it. If it's something that's raising his power lvl or changing his abilities, it's help.

if Kishimoto hadn't made it a point to give Sasuke powerups as well, most ppl would've forgot he even existed.

You soloed them Sasuke fappers in a single post 0.0

 

[Trea]

Let's just stop with the borrowed powers garbage now. They both have borrowed powers so deal with it. Like it or not, Sasuke was able to capture the tailed beasts and is able to use their power. Personally, I think he did it specifically to get a rise out of Naruto, which it did. Sasuke himself stated Naruto was not taking this seriously and now he is. I think that was what Sasuke wanted.

Lost Woods Denizen is correct as Indra's incarnation, getting power is all that matters to Sasuke and all that he respects. I'm kind of surprised he thinks of Naruto as a friend because he has no respect for Naruto and thinks that power and chakra are wasted on Naruto. He's always seemed more than a bit jealous and angry over Naruto's power. There has been no stomping though. You are not reading the same manga if you think so. Naruto has only been defending himself. He is not willing to kill Sasuke, but he will not let Sasuke kill him either. He has been playing defense.

Sasuke has finally gotten Naruto to the point that he wants to defeat him. Sasuke smiled when he realized Naruto was finally taking this seriously. He looks surprised and worried on the next page with those rasenshurikens coming at him. Naruto doesn't want to kill him so I think he's trying to take out that tailed beast powered susanoo and make Sasuke use up his chakra. Maintaining those CT and that susanoo must be taking it's toll on Sasuke's chakra pool. Naruto's attack should deplete it further.

Naruto said "When it comes to battle I really do want to defeat you but not in your current state! You know that don't you Sasuke!" I think Naruto's attack is designed to power Sasuke down so the fight can be on Naruto's terms. Naruto wants a fight like the one they had the first time at VOTE. Just good old taijutsu, ninjutsu and regular old ninja tools, like they were before all of the power ups. I don't know about you, but I hope he succeeds, because that's the fight I want to see too.

 

[lanakui8]

I can't believe some of the responses to the OP that i've been seeing.

"Sasuke was matching naruto before, therefore Sasuke doesn't need the bijuu chakra to compete with naruto"? Of course he's going to match naruto if naruto is only going to play on the defensive and limit the amount of power he uses based on whatever sasuke uses.

If Sasuke didn't use PS in chaptere 695, and just stuck with his base arsenal, naruto would never use the chakra avatar. Does that have anything to do with naruto and sasuke fighting at their best? Obviously not. We've seen what naruto uses when he's serious: 4 bijuu avatars, bijuudama rasenshurikens, bijuu rasenshurikens, and now fusing the stuff into one. If Sasuke was actually = to naruto before this latest chapter, he would have pushed naruto to use that stuff without using the bijuu.

 

[Holy God]

I can't believe some of the responses to the OP that i've been seeing.

"Sasuke was matching naruto before, therefore Sasuke doesn't need the bijuu chakra to compete with naruto"? Of course he's going to match naruto if naruto is only going to play on the defensive and limit the amount of power he uses based on whatever sasuke uses.

If Sasuke didn't use PS in chaptere 695, and just stuck with his base arsenal, naruto would never use the chakra avatar. Does that have anything to do with naruto and sasuke fighting at their best? Obviously not. We've seen what naruto uses when he's serious: 4 bijuu avatars, bijuudama rasenshurikens, bijuu rasenshurikens, and now fusing the stuff into one. If Sasuke was actually = to naruto before this latest chapter, he would have pushed naruto to use that stuff without using the bijuu.

Sasuke didn't want to waste large amounts of chakra. We didn't see any of the paths, nor did Sasuke use Amaterasu. He could've just solo-clapped or solo-glanced him either way.

 

[lanakui8]

Sasuke didn't want to waste large amounts of chakra. We didn't see any of the paths, nor did Sasuke use Amaterasu. He could've just solo-clapped or solo-glanced him either way.

I want you to explain to me why any of these things would have made even a slight difference against Naruto compared to what sasuke was using at VoTe.


And wait, did you just say that Sasuke doesn't even need the bijuu's chakra in order to pull off the feats he did in the last chapter?

The absurdities that the sasuke-fanboys are forced to spew in order is just amazing.

 

[ComplexCity]

Why does everyone keep saying Naruto begged for his power when he obtained KM fighting Kurama?

 

[Holy God]

I want you to explain to me why any of these things would have made even a slight difference against Naruto compared to what sasuke was using at VoTe.


And wait, did you just say that Sasuke doesn't even need the bijuu's chakra in order to pull off the feats he did in the last chapter?

That depends on if the internal representation of the Susano'o is the chakra of the beasts, or lightning.

Solo-Clap: Well, with his chakra now, he could easily outlast Naruto as rocks fly towards him.
Solo-Glance: Naruto could easily be defeated by this. Obito entered Kushina and used an ocular technique on Kurama. Sasuke has been shown capable of the same feature. Doubt it would work now, but it's a possibility.
Solo-Push/Pull: Gives Sasuke time to prepare anything or can bring Naruto in for an attack. Let's not forget that it can also control the location of people by pushing or pulling in another direction.
Solo-Rape: If Sasuke touches Naruto, he is able to grab ahold of his soul, though it may take a while, deeming this ineffective.
Solo-Steal: Obviously he can absorb any chakra-based technique.
Solo-Cop: Get extra arms filled with missles and lasers and what-not.
Solo-Summoning: This is debatable if possible. He'll probably never learn this.

 

[Holy God]

Why does everyone keep saying Naruto begged for his power when he obtained KM fighting Kurama?

That's the only one, besides Sage Mode. "Bijuu Mode" and "Bijuu Sage Mode" were given, along with the cloaks.

 

[lanakui8]

That depends on if the internal representation of the Susano'o is the chakra of the beasts, or lightning.

...so you're literally saying that Sasuke could pull off what he did in the last chapter by himself, he didn't need the bijuu's chakra despite the manga literally saying so.

Solo-Clap: Well, with his chakra now, he could easily outlast Naruto as rocks fly towards him.

Based on what? Actually first off, based on what does sasuke not have to put his target into a genjutsu to first turn them into the chibaku tensei cores?
Second, based on what would this work against naruto or had been better than what sasuke used at VoTe?

Solo-Glance: Naruto could easily be defeated by this. Obito entered Kushina and used an ocular technique on Kurama. Sasuke has been shown capable of the same feature. Doubt it would work now, but it's a possibility.

Based on what does that even imply in the slightest that that would work on naruto?

Solo-Push/Pull: Gives Sasuke time to prepare anything or can bring Naruto in for an attack. Let's not forget that it can also control the location of people by pushing or pulling in another direction.

....and based on what would this have been better than what sasuke used at VoTe?

Solo-Rape: If Sasuke touches Naruto, he is able to grab ahold of his soul, though it may take a while, deeming this ineffective.

And based on what is this better than what he used at VoTe?

Solo-Steal: Obviously he can absorb any chakra-based technique.

based on what can he absorb any chakra-based technique? By that logic, raikiri cuts through anything. And again, based on what would that have been better than what he used at VoTe?

Solo-Cop: Get extra arms filled with missles and lasers and what-not.

once again, based on what would this have been better than what he used at VoTe?

 

[V h o]

given Sasuke's lack of imagination lately, i wouldn't expect to see him change things up at least a little. It's seems like every power up he gets, he's still slinging arrows/bolts at somebody. .

At first I was talking about the bijuu chakra, you know Son's lava, and was wondering if Sasuke could use that chakra for an ability or something. Although someone was saying that Sasuke just absorbed their chakra, and is not a jin, so I'm not even sure if Sasuke can use their chakra like that then. Either way, it probably won't happen this late.

 

[Holy God]

...so you're literally saying that Sasuke could pull off what he did in the last chapter by himself, he didn't need the bijuu's chakra despite the manga literally saying so.


Based on what? Actually first off, based on what does sasuke not have to put his target into a genjutsu to first turn them into the chibaku tensei cores?
Second, based on what would this work against naruto or had been better than what sasuke used at VoTe?



Based on what does that even imply in the slightest that that would work on naruto?


....and based on what would this have been better than what sasuke used at VoTe?


And based on what is this better than what he used at VoTe?


based on what can he absorb any chakra-based technique? By that logic, raikiri cuts through anything. And again, based on what would that have been better than what he used at VoTe?


once again, based on what would this have been better than what he used at VoTe?

You're questions are terrible, no offense, but I feel declined to answer. Not because I don't have responses, but because of how poorly they were though of. With your logic, I could easily say that Rasengan doesn't work on Sasuke because it's never been shown to. Dafuq.

 

[lanakui8]

You're questions are terrible, no offense, but I feel declined to answer. Not because I don't have responses, but because of how poorly they were though of.

Assertion: Questions are terrible.
Reasoning: ....

With your logic, I could easily say that Rasengan doesn't work on Sasuke because it's never been shown to. Dafuq.

Show me exactly where i've stated the equivalent of "rasengan doesn't work on Sasuke because it's never been shown to." When have I ever said "unless you show me this actually working on naruto, it doesn't work?" My questions are asking you to provide reasoning for your assertions that such and such jutsu would work on naruto, asking you to do that is in no way shape or form making the claim that 'unless it happened in the manga, it doesn't work or it never happens'.

If a character never uses an attack on naruto, does that mean it doesn't work on him? Obviously not, but if the jutsu only worked on someone who's not even close to naruto's level, or doesn't have the defenses naruto has against this jutsu, or is way slower than naruto, then you have to address these differences and explain why the jutsu works in spite of them.