[Discussion] Regarding the strength and experience of OP characters...

[Fireplay]

So what im wondering is how is someone like Sabo stronger than Smoker for example? I mean obviously he is but why is that?

Smoker is much older and more experienced then Sabo (Sabo is only 22) therefore has probably trained more so why is Sabo stronger than him at such a young age?

Is it because Sabo has more potential?
Is it because Sabo has a better teacher?

Why is this?

Also, its not about just Sabo and Smoker. There are plenty of young characters in OP who are stronger then older and more experienced ones.

Is it because of potential or because of whoever trained them was a really good teacher?

If Smoker and Sabo were both trained by Dragon would Sabo still be stronger?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Natural talent. For example, Luffy can defeat people like Crocodile and Lucci despite years of experience for the latters because his talent to increase in power is greater than they have, not to mention most of the fighters in One Piece train from a very young age, Luffy was trained by Garp since he was a toddler, and Ace and Sabo lived in the extremely dangerous wilderness.

 

[ultraChalk]

It's all about the teacher. This doesn't apply only to Smoker and Sabo... there are plenty of examples.

Luffy was stronger than Lucci, by a hair.
He can beat both those Elbaf warriors.
He defeated Crocodile.
He defeated Arlong.

Sabo was trained by the finest of the Revs, we don't know if Smoker had a teacher. He more than likely trained himself.

EDIT: I do believe that potential also plays a large part in this. But I'd say it's 70% the teacher, and 30% potential.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

The same reason that 20 year old people have beaten 40 year olds in chess.

Location, Teacher, Potential are all factors (Unlike chess though, there is also who has the better DF).

It's all about the teacher.

Its not all about the teacher.

 

[ultraChalk]

The same reason that 20 year old people have beaten 40 year olds in chess.

Location, Teacher, Potential are all factors (Unlike chess though, there is also who has the better DF).



Its not all about the teacher.

But most of it is.

Almost all zeros turned to heroes after being trained/directed by somebody. It's very rare than a nobody becomes strong 100% on their own, though it does happen sometimes.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

But most of it is.

Almost all zeros turned to heroes after being trained/directed by somebody. It's very rare than a nobody becomes strong 100% on their own, though it does happen sometimes.

Trainers usually send them to some insane location and speed up potential. Even without them, they would get stronger, just not as fast as it would be with Teachers. If the character has no potential, the teacher can hardly do a thing. Potential > Teachers > Location.

 

[ultraChalk]

Trainers usually send them to some insane location and speed up potential. Even without them, they would get stronger, just not as fast as it would be with Teachers. If the character has no potential, the teacher can hardly do a thing. Potential > Teachers > Location.

Teacher and location go hand in hand if you ask me. Location can even go hand in hand with potential.

And even when they're in those insane locations, they're still being directed somehow. I disagree highly about the character having no potential... everybody has potential if you ask me. Some people definitely have more potential than others. Luffy turned an absolutely useless ability into something great, thanks to Garp, Ace and Sabo.

Also yes, they would get stronger w/o teachers, definitely at a slower rate... but their potential ceiling lowers then. You can only get so powerful by yourself, everybody needs a teacher.

Imo Teacher/Location>Potential/Location. Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

He was trained by Dragon for 12 years and he now has a more overpowered DF.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Teacher=Potential.
You can be the best teacher, but you can't turn shit into diamond.

In order for it to be brought out, it has to be there, and you need to be able to bring out, sometimes the one who possesses it is the one who knows how to bring out.

 

[silmarill]

I agree with Riker but in Smoker's case 'drive' could be a reason to. Before he encountered Mugiwara Pirates he seemed to have settled
in Loguetown.
Luffy just gave him sort of a goal to become stronger?

 

[xanonymosx]

good potentials need good teacher

potentials = unrefined gold

teacher = refining machine

unrefined gold dsnt worth much and refining machine cant do any thing with wood

and one of the most important things in gaining power is your goal and how far you are willing to go to achive it which is very clear in zoro and luffy`s case

and let`s not forget the ultimate booster and the destroyer of every good anime the nakama power

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

Talent....

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Different people training them and developing their skills. Also Smoker only recently learnt about Haki, whereas Sabo had probably learnt how to use it a long time ago, which justifies the strength of his Haki.

 

[A v i]

It's all about the teacher. This doesn't apply only to Smoker and Sabo... there are plenty of examples.

Luffy was stronger than Lucci, by a hair.
He can beat both those Elbaf warriors.
He defeated Crocodile.
He defeated Arlong.

Sabo was trained by the finest of the Revs, we don't know if Smoker had a teacher. He more than likely trained himself.

EDIT: I do believe that potential also plays a large part in this. But I'd say it's 70% the teacher, and 30% potential.

It is the other way around.

I admit that having good teacher would make a difference but not much.

OT: Potential plays a great role in this case and having a good teacher would also make considerable difference.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It is the other way around.

I admit that having good teacher would make a difference but not much.

They have to be equal. Potential is wasted if you don't have a good teacher. There are many times when the teacher IS the person with it, but it's the same.

 

[A v i]

They have to be equal. Potential is wasted if you don't have a good teacher. There are many times when the teacher IS the person with it, but it's the same.

I didn't said anything that goes against this point. My point is that the result u can get by having great potential is > The result u can get by having a good teacher.

For example: Person A has great potential and his teacher is an avg level. & Then we have B with Avg potential and has great teacher. Now, who'll be stronger if they trained in same field for same amount of time?

It would be A for me but as u said his potential'll be wasted because his teacher isn't that great.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I didn't said anything that goes against this point. My point is that the result u can get by having great potential is > The result u can get by having a good teacher.

For example: Person A has great potential and his teacher is an avg level. & Then we have B with Avg potential and has great teacher. Now, who'll be stronger if they trained in same field for same amount of time?

It would be A for me but obviously his potential'll be wasted because his teacher isn't that great.

They'd be even. If he has an average teacher, his full potential might not be brought out. If he has average potential, there's only so much the teacher can bring out.

 

[A v i]

They'd be even. If he has an average teacher, his full potential might not be brought out. If he has average potential, there's only so much the teacher can bring out.

I admit that his potential'll be wasted but he'll get better result than avg level student for sure.

 

[ultraChalk]

It is the other way around.

I admit that having good teacher would make a difference but not much.

OT: Potential plays a great role in this case and having a good teacher would also make considerable difference.

Disagree.

You can't unlock your full potential without teachers. And for a second lets understand that foes can also be teachers, given that characters receive new experience, abilities and limits through fighting opponents as well... Just different types of teachers.

Anyway I see it as there being 2 types of ceilings to a characters full power. 1. Potential ceiling w/o a teacher, and 2. Full potential w teacher. A person needs guidance, criticism, direction and training in order to learn new things they wouldn't have learned otherwise. Everybody needs to learn from somebody, otherwise they're limiting themselves to what they're capable of by themselves.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I admit that his potential'll be wasted but he'll get better result than avg level student for sure.

No they'd be even.