[VS] Sage Jiraiya vs Hashirama

[ShippudenRules]

Hashirama wins low diff max.

 

[MickNerks]

Pain didn't go all out and Jiraiya still got pooped on. Not to mention he isn't anywhere close to the real power of the Rinnegan due to not being the original wielder, and due to further weakening himself by using the Six Paths Bodies.

Jiraiya defeated 3 of the pain's with no knowledge, and was even admitted to be able to defeat them all had he had the proper intel. So don't confuse his lost as a result of not being strong enough. Pain himself states that he only lost due to his lack of intel.

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Im not using this as a defense for this match with him and Hashirama, I'm just showing that he was powerful enought to have defeated pain. These words were stated from Nagato himself.

EMS Madara>Pain, and Base Hashirama beat him before VotE. Hashirama was called God of Shinobi. His hype>>>>Jiraiya's hype. His portrayal>>>>Jiraiya's portrayal. His feats>>>>Jiraiya's feats. Don't know why you are actually trying to argue that Jiraiya, someone who lost to a Pain who didn't use his full power, will defeat Base Hashirama, who was able to beat EMS Madara.

EMS Madara in his prime (w/kyuubi) was

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Your trying to make Hashirama in base mode seem like he is strong enough to contend with EMS Madara. Madara had Hashirama running for safety, and then held a dialog with him in order to stall long enough to enter Sage Mode to be able to contend with him.

Yes. Its a dumb argument. Saying "Gama Rinsho GG" isn't an argument anyway since Gama Rinsho needs prep, and I've seen absolutely nothing from you that leads me to believe Jiraiya will be able to survive long enough to use it. Not when he has nowhere to hide, and not when he can't overpower or defend from Hashirama's attacks.

Im glad you brought this point up.

Jiraiya has a huge arsenal of jutsu and alot of it allows him the ability to be the perfect spy. One of his brilliant jutsu that allows him to hide effectively is Gamadaira (Toad Flatness) which allows Jiraiya to flatten out against the ground or against a wall, or tree, which would allow him to safetly stall while Ma and Pa prepare their Powerful Chant.

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Jiraiya also has the ability to hide into multiple toads and frogs using

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. Using this ability Jiraiya could slip inside a frog while hashirama is distracted by his Toad Bosses, to stall until the Shima and Fukasuka are ready. As soon as jiraiya comes out the

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Hashirama ISNT searching for random frogs on the battlefield as he knows nothing of Jiraiya's abilities giving jiraiya all the time he needs to prepare.

Or Kekkai Barrier: Gamahyoro is also another hiding option.

All these techniques give jiraiya the perfect opportunity to conceal his location to prep to take hashirama into the genjutsu.

-Boss Toads are fodder. Mokuryu is strong enough to physically restrain Full Kurama, as he needed Bijuu Dama to blow it up. If it can physically overpower Kurama, it physically manhandles all these Toads with little difficulty. Adding Mokujin only makes it worse. Each toad gets pasted by these two constructs. Doesn't help that a normal Shinra Tensei from Pain took them all out. Hashirama can make 5 hands at a time, each the size of Full Kurama, from where ever he needs to be. Hands were fast enough to catch Madara's PS blade, so the toads aren't evading them. They get crushed. Mokuton can sprout from anywhere, even Killer couldn't react in time. Toads get restrained, or Hashirama replicates this with Flower Tree World instead, the Toads get bound and crushed like Onoki's Golem, and Jiraiya gets put to sleep. GG for him.

Toad Bosses may be fodder but they are perfect for a distraction. The fact that Shima can summon all at once means that jiraiya could take the focus off him for a second and make hashirama create his wood golem and wood dragon to defeat the 4 Bosses. Even if he created the Mokuton: Hotei no Jutsu, he would still have to switch the focus off Jiraiya as he needs to control the hands to grab the Toad Bosses. This distraction is all Jiraiya needs to stash away or conceal himself.

-You said Goemon counters Jukai Kotan. Wrong. Goemon isn't large enough to cover the whole jutsu, so the branches that aren't hit still get through and Jiraiya gets crushed to death.

-Jiraiya's strongest move is Chou Oodama Rasengan, too bad Hashirama can tank a Bijuu Dama with minimal damage.

I agree that Rasengas arnt a factor in this battle.

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[Rinnesense]

MickNerks, you give a great argument, and support for it. Too often on this site, you'll encounter with Hashirama battles that he wins simply b/c he is Hashirama. He is indeed very powerful, but also a bit overrated. Jiraiya's abilities have always been a bit downplayed. After reading through everything, you do provide a good argument. An argument I can agree with. This is all IMO, of course.

 

[Minator93]

I wanna know how Hashirama effectively survives the Sound Genjutsu from Ma and Pa? If anyone could prove that then I agree Hashriama take this however if not then Jiraya wins U_U

 

[TRE MERCER]

When did this get debatable?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

too bad Hashirama can tank a Bijuu Dama with minimal damage.

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[Strict]

Sound-Genjutsu is a non factor. Even Pain noticed the usage before he was caught [

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When the frog wanted to cast the Genjutsu later again against Tendo, Tendo killed him as he was already familiar with it [

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[Apêx1]

This is such a joke.. Frog Genjutsu took an entire chapter to prep. Hashirama ends it with Flower Tree world or Jukai Kotan long before, not to mention he can blitz with mayfly and clones just like Asura did, due to Jiraiya's inexistent sensing and reaction feats.

 

[Rιver]

Hashirama gets outlasted or taken out with Rasengan. Believe it.

 

[Conspirator.]

Mokuton Hijutsu: Jukai Kōtan (Tree World), is easily countered by

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No it's not, since the scale of Hshirama's Jukai kouten is greater than the scale of Jiraiya's goemen, so the forest/Flower tree world still restrains Jiraiaya and puts him to sleep. It doesn't help that mokuton can sprout from right under jiraiya and restrain him.

Wood Golem and Dragon is easily countered by summoning

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simultaneously, which is no problem since jiraiya starts in sage mode and has Shima on his shoulder. Shima has already

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Um no. The Wood golem and Wood dragon combo ablsolutely wreck the toads. Wood dragon bound full Kurama, and Wood golem could catch a TBB from the kyuubi. The toads get their chakra absorbed and wrecked by that combination.

Hashirama is definitely getting caught in Demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant:

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He has no counter for it.

IF the genjutsu hits, then yes Hashirama is screwed. However, he's never going to be hit in the first place! Flower tree world or deep forest emergence would put Jiraiya to sleep right off the bat, and then he gets killed. Quite simple. Or Hashirama could use Bringer of darkness to blind Jiraiya and make things easier.(Jiraiaya isn't a perfect Sage, so he doesn't have sage sensing like say Naruto. Hence his battle ability get's hindered). Then on top of that there's wood golem/wood dragon.(if by some miracle Jiraiaya survives that long) To be honest Hashirama one shots him with FTW.

Hashirama is definitely the most overrated character on the base. He couldnt even kill Kakuzu, yet a teenage naruto was able to!!

Wrong, Hashirama defeated Kakuzu as was stated in the databook. Him "not killing" him was most likely due to his kindness.(which we know about now). Furthermore, Base Hashirama defeated EMS madara(without the kyuubi) in canon, who is far above Kakuzu.

 

[KidGamer65]

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Inb4 EjBlack's usual fanfic retarded ass descriptions of what he thinks happened in the manga.

 

[Nattana]

People actually discuss this?

 

[KidGamer65]

Jiraiya defeated 3 of the pain's with no knowledge, and was even admitted to be able to defeat them all had he had the proper intel. So don't confuse his lost as a result of not being strong enough. Pain himself states that he only lost due to his lack of intel.

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Pain also didn't go all out, and that's a fact. So whatever measly hype he gave Jiraiya is irrelevant.

Im not using this as a defense for this match with him and Hashirama, I'm just showing that he was powerful enought to have defeated pain. These words were stated from Nagato himself.

He probably would have beat Pain under the conditions of that battle, but Pain didn't send all Six Paths at him at once, nor did he use his strongest moves, nor did Deva Path even fight. So no, Pain didn't go all out. That's a fact and don't try to deny it.

EMS Madara in his prime (w/kyuubi) was

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. Hashirama was forced to enter

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Chapter 624, It should have been obvious that I wasn't talking about Madara w/ Kurama.

Your trying to make Hashirama in base mode seem like he is strong enough to contend with EMS Madara. Madara had Hashirama running for safety, and then held a dialog with him in order to stall long enough to enter Sage Mode to be able to contend with him.

Read above buddy. Nice try though.

Im glad you brought this point up.

Jiraiya has a huge arsenal of jutsu and alot of it allows him the ability to be the perfect spy. One of his brilliant jutsu that allows him to hide effectively is Gamadaira (Toad Flatness) which allows Jiraiya to flatten out against the ground or against a wall, or tree, which would allow him to safetly stall while Ma and Pa prepare their Powerful Chant.

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Utterly useless in this location since there is nothing but flat ground, he'll be seen and killed. Not to mention Hashirama can sense, so he dies regardless.

Jiraiya also has the ability to hide into multiple toads and frogs using

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. Using this ability Jiraiya could slip inside a frog while hashirama is distracted by his Toad Bosses, to stall until the Shima and Fukasuka are ready. As soon as jiraiya comes out the

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Hashirama ISNT searching for random frogs on the battlefield as he knows nothing of Jiraiya's abilities giving jiraiya all the time he needs to prepare.

Distracted? 2 constructs from Hashirama are more than enough to obliterate these toads, and he can use clones with them. 4 Boss Toads aren't distracting a guy who can put down Bijuu with relative ease with a couple moves, let alone that same guy who can use clones, who can all use his large scale Ninjutsu. 1 handles the Toads, other clones find and kill Jiraiya. Even if he can't be sensed in there, his chakra will be sensed entering the toad, thus Hashirama kills the toad. Searching from Random Toads? Lol, buddy. The location is basically a grassland with some rocks, he doesn't need to search. Besides, he can sense chakra.

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Or Kekkai Barrier: Gamahyoro is also another hiding option.

Useless for the same reasons listed above.

All these techniques give jiraiya the perfect opportunity to conceal his location to prep to take hashirama into the genjutsu.

They don't.

Toad Bosses may be fodder but they are perfect for a distraction. The fact that Shima can summon all at once means that jiraiya could take the focus off him for a second and make hashirama create his wood golem and wood dragon to defeat the 4 Bosses. Even if he created the Mokuton: Hotei no Jutsu, he would still have to switch the focus off Jiraiya as he needs to control the hands to grab the Toad Bosses. This distraction is all Jiraiya needs to stash away or conceal himself.

This whole paragraph is nulled by the fact that Hashirama can use Mokuton Clones, thus his focus is never off Jiraiya and the Toads. Thus the Boss Toads get raped, and the clones gangbang Jiraiya if he tries to hide. If he does hide he only makes it easier since crushing the toad he is in with kill him.

MickNerks, you give a great argument, and support for it. Too often on this site, you'll encounter with Hashirama battles that he wins simply b/c he is Hashirama. He is indeed very powerful, but also a bit overrated. Jiraiya's abilities have always been a bit downplayed. After reading through everything, you do provide a good argument. An argument I can agree with. This is all IMO, of course.

Its ridiculous that people can use the word "Overrated" in the same sentence that says they agree that Jiraiya stands a chance.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Hashirama stomps

- Joukai Koutan one-shots pretty much all of Jiriaya's summons on the field.

- Pick any large scale Mokuton to one-shot Jiriaya.​

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[Brother Numpsay]

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Wrong, Hashirama defeated Kakuzu as was stated in the databook. Him "not killing" him was most likely due to his kindness.(which we know about now)

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Context of:

Red = He suffer a lose against Hashirama Mokuton (which we now understand why according to base Hashirama power during his Hokage reign)

Orange = Context made it clear he lost but manage to escape

Blue = He barley makes it out alive.


Nothing here supports the fact that Hashirama was being kind and, current explanation, Hashirama would never be kind for someone threatening him and that would effect the village.

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Inb4 EjBlack's usual fanfic retarded ass descriptions of what he thinks happened in the manga.

*Excepts for me to make a retarded ass fanfic description.*
*KG makes a retarded ass fanfic to describe Hashirama tanking a TBB*

 

[Unorthodox]

i swear people try to debate any matchup on this site gotdam

 

[Beans2]

Lml? Rape thread is rape! Juubi Jinchuuriki Obito himself admitted inferiority to the Legendary Toad Sage!! Hashirama stands absolutely no chance!

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And Hashirama acknowledges that he is far weaker than Obito! Not only did he get blitzed neg diff, but he also admitted inferiority!!!

Hashirama getting blitzed:

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Hashirama admits inferiority:

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There is nothing left to be discussed. Jiraiya takes a massive shit on him neg diff!! U_U

 

[Demonic.]

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Context of:

Red = He suffer a lose against Hashirama Mokuton (which we now understand why according to base Hashirama power during his Hokage reign)

Orange = Context made it clear he lost but manage to escape

Blue = He barley makes it out alive.


Nothing here supports the fact that Hashirama was being kind and, current explanation, Hashirama would never be kind for someone threatening him and that would effect the village.

You're using that unreliable source? Lol

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This one says only those who master Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi can use Susano. They're both outdated and unreliable.

 

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Sage Jayari stomp's the first.

 

[KidGamer65]

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Context of:

Red = He suffer a lose against Hashirama Mokuton (which we now understand why according to base Hashirama power during his Hokage reign)

Orange = Context made it clear he lost but manage to escape

Blue = He barley makes it out alive.


Nothing here supports the fact that Hashirama was being kind and, current explanation, Hashirama would never be kind for someone threatening him and that would effect the village.



*Excepts for me to make a retarded ass fanfic description.*
*KG makes a retarded ass fanfic to describe Hashirama tanking a TBB*

Hey Guys! According to Ejblack over here. Manga panels=fanfic. BD went off and Hashirama survived. Take your idiotic bullshit elsewhere.