Uzumaki origins.

[davidou]

Uzumaki origins are unknown , but we are closer and closer to the truth about their origins.


-Uzumaki members have body powers , they are full of "life" , it is a Yang type clan.
Or Hamura is Yin , so Hamura is not the ancestor of the Uzumaki clan.
Hinata Hyuga falling in love with Naruto Uzumaki would be strange if they were brothers at some point.

-It was said that Uzumaki are distant blood relatives to the Senju , that means that the Uzumaki ancestor and Ashura are distant blood relatives , that means they are not brothers , Hagoromo is not the father of the first Uzumaki.

Conclusion 1:The Uzumaki ancestor isn't from Hagoromo descendance , and isn't from Hamura descendance.

Now, 2 questions:

1/How can the first Uzumaki (let's call him Uzumaki) be able to manipulate chakra without being from the descendance of the descendance of Kaguya?
2/How can Uzumaki be blood relatives to Ashura without sharing genes with Hagoromo?

1/I find only one possible way to make that possible :
Somebody was able at some point to give the ability to use chakra , to mix spiritual and physical energy , to connect spirit via physical contact , to use ninshuu.
Let's say it's Hagoromo.

2/He said he discovered ninshuu as a connection between 2 spirits , it's said he made a trip around the world spreading ninshuu.
What if he gave the ability to use ninshuu to the friends he met during his trip?
What if one of his best friends was a guy named Uzumaki?
What if Hagoromo had his 2 sons with a girl who happens to be the sister of his best friend named Uzumaki?


The only possible hypothesis remaining is:

Uzumaki is a guy able to use ninshuu (Hagoromo gave him that ability) , and Uzumaki would share some genes with Ashura (his sister has 2 sons with Hagoromo , he shares some genes with the sons of his sister).
I only find this way to answer to the 2 questions at the same time.



That hypothesis fits the facts , but implies that somebody was able to create a chakra network.
That would not shock me , Hamura , having Byakugans , was able to see what was happening in the body of his brother.
Hagoromo , having Yang , was able to manipulate human cells (see how Naruto give a new eye to Kakashi) into forming chakra cavities and a chakra network.
That's why I like this hypothesis.

Tell me your thoughts.

 

[Urda]

The Sage of Six Paths spread the teaching of Ninshuu, thus, the use to access chakra. You are forgetting the Ninshuu purpose was to connect people, but was turn into weaponry and called Ninjutsu. What you are saying does not make sense. What you are saying was the Uzumaki was the founders of chakra.

 

[Nelmanaly]

Your thread was solo'd by narutopedia but really good theory but you failed when you spoke about kaguya

 

[davidou]

The Sage of Six Paths spread the teaching of Ninshuu, thus, the use to access chakra. You are forgetting the Ninshuu purpose was to connect people, but was turn into weaponry and called Ninjutsu. What you are saying does not make sense. What you are saying was the Uzumaki was the founders of chakra.

You didn't understand , you should reread the thread , and I didn' t forget anything , what made you think I did?

 

[Zawerni]

Or perhaps the Senju line branched out into what would become the Uzumaki. That would explain their blood relation and the Uzumaki sharing powerful bodies and life force with the Senju.

 

[davidou]

Your thread was solo'd by narutopedia but really good theory but you failed when you spoke about kaguya

So , put a link or explain...

 

[davidou]

Or perhaps the Senju line branched out into what would become the Uzumaki. That would explain their blood relation and the Uzumaki sharing powerful bodies and life force with the Senju.

The words "distant blood relatives" made me think that Uzumaki wasn't a senju child.
I don't find this hypothesis very probable because of that.
But it's just words from a guy that is living centuries after what he is talking about.

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

Hagoromo is Yin and Yang bro. Moon and Sun on both his hands? Anywho, his brother though has the stamina and longevity.

 

[Zawerni]

The words "distant blood relatives" made me think that Uzumaki wasn't a senju child.
I don't find this hypothesis very probable because of that.
But it's just words from a guy that is living centuries after what he is talking about.

Hagoromo having a second set of children with someone else is less likely.

 

[davidou]

Hagoromo is Yin and Yang bro. Moon and Sun on both his hands? Anywho, his brother though has the stamina and longevity.

That's out of the subject.

You cannot say that he was Yin/Yang during his trip , we only saw his right hand while he was fighting his mother.
We can only be sure that Hagoromo was Yang.
Hamura isn't shown to have the Yin symbol on his left hand but it is highly implied.
We can be almost sure that Hamura was Yin (not stamina and longevity , but occular power (spirit=yin) for taijutsu and study of chakra) and that Hagoromo was Yang at that time.


You are right that he became Yin/Yang after , but who knows when that happened?
He could have become Yin/Yang a long time after defeating his mother.
We are out of the subject , let's end it via mp.

 

[davidou]

Hagoromo having a second set of children with someone else is less likely.

I agree , that's why I tried to find a way for a simple human to be the Uzumaki ancestor.

Kaguya having 3 children would be an explanation , but I would feel like I've been trolled , I don't want to think about that.

 

[Zawerni]

I agree , that's why I tried to find a way for a simple human to be the Uzumaki ancestor.

Well, from what I gather in your first post.

You're saying the first Uzumaki (that you've simply named "Uzumaki") had a sister who was the mother of Hagoromo's two sons Ashura and Indra.

If this was the case, that would mean Ashura would have gotten those Uzumaki genes from his mother, and since he is the Senju ancestor, that means at some point down the line the Uzumaki separated from the Senju line to form their own branch, as I had said before.

The hole in this hypothesis involves Indra. If Uzumaki's sister was the mother of the two sons, that would also mean Indra would have the same Uzumaki genes Ashura had from their mother, also making the Uzumaki distant blood relatives of the Uchiha. But this is never mentioned. The only relation the Uzumaki has is with the Senju. Unless Ashura and Indra had different mothers.

 

[davidou]

Well, from what I gather in your first post.

You're saying the first Uzumaki (that you've simply named "Uzumaki") had a sister who was the mother of Hagoromo's two sons Ashura and Indra.

1/If this was the case, that would mean Ashura would have gotten those Uzumaki genes from his mother, and since he is the Senju ancestor, that means at some point down the line the Uzumaki separated from the Senju line to form their own branch, as I had said before.

2/The hole in this hypothesis involves Indra. If Uzumaki's sister was the mother of the two sons, that would also mean Indra would have the same Uzumaki genes Ashura had from their mother, also making the Uzumaki distant blood relatives of the Uchiha. But this is never mentioned. The only relation the Uzumaki has is with the Senju. Unless Ashura and Indra had different mothers.

2/Senju is a distant relative to Uzumaki , Senju is Uchiha's brother , so Uchiha is a distant blood relative to Uzumaki.
That wasn't said but it's obvious , if Senju is a distant blood relative to Uzumaki , that implies that Uchiha is a distant blood relative to Uzumaki.

1/In my hypothesis , Uzumaki's sister (let's call her Kito Uzumaki , the sister of Sojobo Uzumaki) and Hagoromo Ootsutsuki would be the 2 ancestors of the 2 clans Senju and Uchiha.
How can a girl called Kito Uzumaki be the ancestor of the senju clan and one of her sons be the ancestor of her clan?
That's not possible , do you see where you are wrong?

 

[Zawerni]

2/Senju is a distant relative to Uzumaki , Senju is Uchiha's brother , so Uchiha is a distant blood relative to Uzumaki.
That wasn't said but it's obvious , if Senju is a distant blood relative to Uzumaki , that implies that Uchiha is a distant blood relative to Uzumaki.

1/In my hypothesis , Uzumaki's sister and Hagoromo would be the 2 ancestors of the 2 clans Senju and Uchiha.
How can a girl called Uzumaki (let's call her Kito Uzumaki , the sister of Sojobo Uzumaki) be the ancestor of the senju clan and one of her sons be the ancestor of her clan?
That's not possible , do you see where you are wrong?

1. I don't see where you are going with this one. I was saying Ashura was the ancestor of the Senju, which is true by the manga. But because his mother was Uzumaki, that means he would have Uzumaki genes. I wasn't saying he was the Uzumaki ancestor.

2. Senju and Uchiha would be cousins. Ashura and Indra are brothers. Their children would be cousins, and their children's childen would be distant cousins.

I don't think it's something like Ashura and Indra's mother being Uzumaki, or Hamura's child being the Uzumaki ancestor. It could just simply be a random Senju guy long ago had a child/children with a random woman. This child(ren) would become the Uzumaki. Since their father was Senju, that explains their powerful bodies and life force that they had. Then the Uzumaki grew from there.

 

[Hata Hideaki]

Hagoromo must have banged some other chick and thus uzumaki came into play!

 

[davidou]

1. I don't see where you are going with this one. I was saying Ashura was the ancestor of the Senju, which is true by the manga. But because his mother was Uzumaki, that means he would have Uzumaki genes. I wasn't saying he was the Uzumaki ancestor.

2. Senju and Uchiha would be cousins. Ashura and Indra are brothers. Their children would be cousins, and their children's childen would be distant cousins.

I don't think it's something like Ashura and Indra's mother being Uzumaki, or Hamura's child being the Uzumaki ancestor. It could just simply be a random Senju guy long ago had a child/children with a random woman. This child(ren) would become the Uzumaki. Since their father was Senju, that explains their powerful bodies and life force that they had. Then the Uzumaki grew from there.

1/You said:"If this was the case, that would mean Ashura would have gotten those Uzumaki genes from his mother, and since he is the Senju ancestor, that means at some point down the line the Uzumaki separated from the Senju line to form their own branch, as I had said before."
So you did say that he would be the ancestor.

2/What?If uchiha and senju are brothers and distant relatives to Uzumaki , that implies for you that Uchiha and Senju are cousins?I don't understand.

3/I see what hypothesis you like , but I don't really like it , even if I know that Kishimoto often goes for the most obvious explanation.

The words "distant blood relatives" are ambiguous , I would hate Kishimoto for using those words if he reveals that the first Uzumaki was a Senju.
I think it means "not in the same branch".

 

[davidou]

Hagoromo must have banged some other chick and thus uzumaki came into play!

Time changed "Ero-sage of the 6 ass." or "The Sage of the 6 pussies" into "the sage of the 6 pathes".
*_*

 

[Zawerni]

1/You said:"If this was the case, that would mean Ashura would have gotten those Uzumaki genes from his mother, and since he is the Senju ancestor, that means at some point down the line the Uzumaki separated from the Senju line to form their own branch, as I had said before."
So you did say that he would be the ancestor.

2/What?If uchiha and senju are brothers and distant relatives to Uzumaki , that implies for you that Uchiha and Senju are cousins?I don't understand.

3/I see what hypothesis you like , but I don't really like it , even if I know that Kishimoto often goes for the most obvious explanation.

The words "distant blood relatives" are ambiguous , I would hate Kishimoto for using those words if he reveals that the first Uzumaki was a Senju.
I think it means "not in the same branch".

I didn't. I said Ashura would have had Uzumaki genes. And at some point in the Senju line that Uzumaki blood split off to form its own branch. That isn't saying Ashura is the Uzumaki ancestor. I don't know how you managed to misinterpret it like that.

Uchiha and Senju aren't brothers. Read again. Ashura and Indra are brothers. Their children, who would be the Senju and Uchiha, would be cousins. Your uncle's children aren't your brothers/sisters. They are your cousins.

 

[davidou]

1/I didn't. I said Ashura would have had Uzumaki genes. And at some point in the Senju line that Uzumaki blood split off to form its own branch. That isn't saying Ashura is the Uzumaki ancestor. I don't know how you managed to misinterpret it like that.

2/Uchiha and Senju aren't brothers. Read again. Ashura and Indra are brothers. Their children, who would be the Senju and Uchiha, would be cousins. Your uncle's children aren't your brothers/sisters. They are your cousins.

1/Your words were ambiguous and you should admit it.

2/Quiproquos everywhere and you seem to love them , I know what you mean by "they are cousins" now , I understand now that you said that because you didn't understand my point , point that I said because I didn't understand your point.
That's going out of the subject.

You're saying the first Uzumaki (that you've simply named "Uzumaki") had a sister who was the mother of Hagoromo's two sons Ashura and Indra.

(PART a/) If this was the case, that would mean Ashura would have gotten those Uzumaki genes from his mother, and since he is the Senju ancestor, (PART b/) that means at some point down the line the Uzumaki separated from the Senju line to form their own branch, as I had said before.

I don't understand how Part a/ implies part b/.
That's a possibility , but that's not implied , you should weight your words.

 

[Zawerni]

1/Your words were ambiguous and you should admit it.

2/Quiproquos everywhere and you seem to love them , I know what you mean by "they are cousins" now , I understand now that you said that because you didn't understand my point.
That's going out of the subject.

I don't see anything ambiguous about them.