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Base Kakashi and Darui are pretty close. The arc against Kaguya proved that his reaction speed remains top notch with or without Sharingan and Kakashi has great variety of ninjutsu while Darui has powerful lightning attacks. Darui is pretty smart but Kakashi is smarter and his usage of clones could deceive him. I'd say base Kakashi would win with about high difficulty. Sharingan and above gives him the decisive edge though
 

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Base Kakashi and Darui are pretty close. The arc against Kaguya proved that his reaction speed remains top notch with or without Sharingan and Kakashi has great variety of ninjutsu while Darui has powerful lightning attacks. Darui is pretty smart but Kakashi is smarter and his usage of clones could deceive him. I'd say base Kakashi would win with about high difficulty. Sharingan and above gives him the decisive edge though
Anything below MS Kakashi is not beating Darui so I know he loses to Kamui plus Susanoo version but 3 tomoe and under lose.
 

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How does Kakashi keep up in CQC with Darui's , and how does Kakashi dodge recurring ?
 

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How does Kakashi keep up in CQC with Darui's , and how does Kakashi dodge recurring ?
I doubt his cleaver is bigger than zabuza's sword or hidan's sythe and he still handled both in cqc. Raton is most likely copied since it's not kkg and he has the proper elements, or blocked via earth wall.
 

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How does Kakashi keep up in CQC with Darui's , and how does Kakashi dodge recurring ?
Just like how he blocked Zabuza's or Hidan's sword which have much bigger range [ ]

Also the range is useless against Raikiri. [ ] [ ] It's Darui who will lose the CQC, not the contrary
 

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Black thunder is featless(or lacking good feats), kakashi has superior lightning techs, and water techs.
Storm jutsu is copy able since it isn't kkg.
Not to mention there's still his clone game, superior analytics, etc....
Sorry to say this but storm release is a kkg. It's a fusion of lightning and water
 

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Just like how he blocked Zabuza's or Hidan's sword which have much bigger range [ ]

Also the range is useless against Raikiri. [ ] [ ] It's Darui who will lose the CQC, not the contrary
Are you implying that Sasuke can stop Darui's Raiton enhanced sword with a mere kunai? We've seen Raiton swords go against Kunai, same outcome different day.

Raikir's range is still far beneath Darui's sword, and nothing suggests that it will go through another Raiton enhanced sword, not the slightest. Darui's superior range still gives him the upper hand, don't see where you were going with this.
 

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Are you implying that Sasuke can stop Darui's Raiton enhanced sword with a mere kunai? We've seen Raiton swords go against Kunai, same outcome different day.
Considering he could stop Zabuza's sword(that should be as sharp if not sharper than Darui's blade) with a mere kunai, it shows the durability between both materials are comparable. What is adding lighting to a comparable material to a kunai going to give an edge if the kunai is enhanced with a similar lightning attack? And if anything, considering the piercing power of the raikiri is superior to any other lightning attacks bar the 3rd Raikage's finger nukinite maybe, it's Kakashi's lightning enhanced kunai that would cut through Darui's raiton enhanced sword just like it cut through multiple boulders like butter

Raikir's range is still far beneath Darui's sword, and nothing suggests that it will go through another Raiton enhanced sword, not the slightest. Darui's superior range still gives him the upper hand, don't see where you were going with this.
Don't see what you're trying to argue against. The facts are here. Zabuza has superior range to Darui. Didn't stop Kakashi to stop him once with a kunai and best him with a Raikiri in a CQC clash. Obito had a superior Shuriken range against an exhausted Kakashi. Didn't stop Kakashi to raikiri blitz and cut his giant Shuriken in half. Darui will lose that CQC battle
 

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Are you implying that Sasuke can stop Darui's Raiton enhanced sword with a mere kunai? We've seen Raiton swords go against Kunai, same outcome different day.

Raikir's range is still far beneath Darui's sword, and nothing suggests that it will go through another Raiton enhanced sword, not the slightest. Darui's superior range still gives him the upper hand, don't see where you were going with this.
LoL, are you forgetting that Kakashi can put Raikiri in a kunai... and it's faster and better in CQC (counterblitzed the Rinnegan and Sharingan enhanced V2 landing Raikiri, moved on par with Minato and 6th Gate Gai). Also Sharingan precognition. Doton underground + Kage Bunshin/Raiton Kage Bunshin trickery that fooled Itachi and Pain. Top battle intellect. Kakashi murks him in CQC. Even Sharinganless Kakashi absolutely stomps him.

Raikiri (highly focused Raiton chakra) > Chidori > normal Raiton. Kunai = Kubikiribocho sword. Kunai + Raikiri vs sword + Raiton... do the math. Ranton is dodgeable.
 

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No it's not a kkg as proven in the war.
Please share what part you are talking about. Because it is considered a kkg as far as I am aware my friend. Please share the page you're referring to. I'm interested, but need the proof. If you can provide proof I will ease up. But at the moment I am telling you it is a kkg, based on what I remember from the manga.
 

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Please share what part you are talking about. Because it is considered a kkg as far as I am aware my friend. Please share the page you're referring to. I'm interested, but need the proof. If you can provide proof I will ease up. But at the moment I am telling you it is a kkg, based on what I remember from the manga.
Actually you're right. Based on yamato'Yamato ' s and Kakashi's description it's kkg. I thought it wasn't since random kumo nin(no clan mentioned) used it all together in the war.
 

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Yes because Yamata enhanced his kunai with raiton there. Ridiculous and irrelevant argument
I am simply refuting your points. You initially gave me a picture of a Kakashi stopping a Zabuza sword with a normal Kunai, so that's what I was going off of.

No it didn't. You just read what you wanted to read. I never said a raiton enhanced blade was equal to a kunai like on the ridiculous yamato example you gave. I said a raiton enhanced blade would have an equal clash with a similar raiton enhanced kunai
That's true.

And i don't know where you read this from.
You said it right about here;
Considering he could stop Zabuza's sword(that should be as sharp if not sharper than Darui's blade) with a mere kunai
Don't be a strawman Bogard.

Raikiri is stronger than Darui's lightning, so the thrust of his sword/kunai will be stronger. It's only logical. And once again, superior range doesn't matter against Raikiri. It would be cut like butter like those boulders or Obito's large shuriken.
Based on what? This doesn't corroborate with common physics or NV physics, don't see how that's only logical, unless I am missing something from your short handed grammar. Once again, show me Raikiri matching any other Futon or Raiton enhanced sword and I'll agree, till then this is based on nothing whatsoever. He can keep up with Darui's sword? Yes. Is he at an advantage? Quite the contrary, Darui's sword is in range of Kakashi's body, Kakashi's Raikiri is not in the range of Darui's body, hence Darui is always in the advantage here.

Pff, not even gonna bother anymore against someone so slow
>Calls me slow
>Attributes other people's downsides to random characters of choice
>Thinks he isn't slow himself despite grammar and false analogies
 
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Fallacy is fallacy. Raiton>Kunai as shown here [ ][ ].
Yes because Yamata enhanced his kunai with raiton there. Ridiculous and irrelevant argument

Keep debating this all you want, what the manga portrayed is what the manga portrayed.
No it didn't. You just read what you wanted to read. I never said a raiton enhanced blade was equal to a kunai like on the ridiculous yamato example you gave. I said a raiton enhanced blade would have an equal clash with a similar raiton enhanced kunai

A normal sword was never comparable to a Raiton enhanced sword, let alone sharper, I don't see where you got this from.
And i don't know where you read this from.

Raikiri isn't cutting through another Raiton enhanced sword unless you have support to back up that argument. If anything they stalemate, but Kakashi is still at a disadvantage given Darui's range and superior strength with a sword vs a normal Raikir.
Raikiri is stronger than Darui's lightning, so the thrust of his sword/kunai will be stronger. It's only logical. And once again, superior range doesn't matter against Raikiri. It would be cut like butter like those boulders or Obito's large shuriken.

Raiton enhanced Sword>Kunai. Darui>Zabuza>Shuriken. Don't see the point you are making here, as Darui is his own person as is Kakashi his own person.
Pff, not even gonna bother anymore against someone so slow
 

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Fallacy is fallacy. Raiton>Kunai as shown here [ ][ ]. Keep debating this all you want, what the manga portrayed is what the manga portrayed. A normal sword was never comparable to a Raiton enhanced sword, let alone sharper, I don't see where you got this from. Raikiri isn't cutting through another Raiton enhanced sword unless you have support to back up that argument. If anything they stalemate, but Kakashi is still at a disadvantage given Darui's range and superior strength with a sword vs a normal Raikir.

Raiton enhanced Sword>Kunai. Darui>Zabuza>Shuriken. Don't see the point you are making here, as Darui is his own person as is Kakashi his own person.
You're not getting the point. Despite having inferior range against Zabuza and Hidan he still matched them and beat them. Running lightning on wepons doesn't change anything since they can both do it, which just brings it back to skill in which kakashi is superior based on previous fights.
 

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Actually you're right. Based on yamato'Yamato ' s and Kakashi's description it's kkg. I thought it wasn't since random kumo nin(no clan mentioned) used it all together in the war.
For sure. They actually have a decent amount of storm users in the hidden cloud I'm assuming. They have a good amount of lava users in the rock. Scorch in the sand. Magnet in the sand and the cloud. Lol steam in the mist. Those kkg are not as rare as you think!
 

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For sure. They actually have a decent amount of storm users in the hidden cloud I'm assuming. They have a good amount of lava users in the rock. Scorch in the sand. Magnet in the sand and the cloud. Lol steam in the mist. Those kkg are not as rare as you think!
There's actually two types of yoton.
 

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There's actually two types of yoton.
I am pretty sure they are the same but just wielded with different balance with yin and yang chakra while wielding and designing jutsu. Like I believe the manga and the like sticky lime or whatever are from the same kkg. It's a fusion of earth and fire. Maybe it just depends on how you heat the rock, or which rock you use. Or even weirder maybe it goes based off of the minerals that are in our bodies. So different people may wield the lava style differently.
 
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