Why did Naruto only have 3 Bijuu orbs behind him?

[Zawerni]

Nah. I tire of this. Chalk this up as a victory for yourself if you need to satisfy some ego, but your debate has not entertained me enough to want to continue it.

Then I must not have made any contradictions. Surely it's simple to bold the parts of my response that contradict?

 

[The Necromancer]

Then I must not have made any contradictions. Surely it's simple to bold the parts of my response that contradict?

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Even if you say this, Madara was still not dead as he was alive after Kaguya was sealed. But regardless, Kaguya would have still had his chakra along with everyone else's chakra she was getting from the tree. The balls disintegrated after Kaguya went into the lava dimension.

Travelling into another dimension would cause the presence of Naruto's chakra in the previous dimension to disappear. He would no longer be in that dimension. His chakra wouldn't just hang around without him. The deactivation of his cloak doesn't change his chakra still being there, thus it has no effect on the gudoudama.

In the case of Madara and Kamui, he was bisected before warping, and only half his body made it through. That means his other half was still in the real world. And as it's been shown in this manga, even a single cell still carries the person's chakra (Hashirama) so half of Madara's body would be enough to keep the gudoudama solid.

Kaguya was absorbing chakra from everyone. The half of Madara's body that was left behind by her was most likely devoid of his chakra, causing the gudoudama to disintegrate after Kaguya, who now possessed Madara's chakra, left to another dimension.

:gn:

 

[Zealous Sparks]

Even if you say this, Madara was still not dead as he was alive after Kaguya was sealed. But regardless, Kaguya would have still had his chakra along with everyone else's chakra she was getting from the tree. The balls disintegrated after Kaguya went into the lava dimension.

Travelling into another dimension would cause the presence of Naruto's chakra in the previous dimension to disappear. He would no longer be in that dimension. His chakra wouldn't just hang around without him. The deactivation of his cloak doesn't change his chakra still being there, thus it has no effect on the gudoudama.

In the case of Madara and Kamui, he was bisected before warping, and only half his body made it through. That means his other half was still in the real world. And as it's been shown in this manga, even a single cell still carries the person's chakra (Hashirama) so half of Madara's body would be enough to keep the gudoudama solid.

Kaguya was absorbing chakra from everyone. The half of Madara's body that was left behind by her was most likely devoid of his chakra, causing the gudoudama to disintegrate after Kaguya, who now possessed Madara's chakra, left to another dimension.

If Madara's lower half had sufficient chakra to sustain the TSBs, then they would not have disappeared after Kaguya took over. The lower half was confirmed to contain chakra as that is how Hagoromo was able to appear in the physical world.

 

[The Necromancer]

If Madara's lower half had sufficient chakra to sustain the TSBs, then they would not have disappeared after Kaguya took over. The lower half was confirmed to contain chakra as that is how Hagoromo was able to appear in the physical world.

It's not worth it, man. You can only educate someone so much in the month we have left of the series.

 

[kageking]

Occams razor, he has as many as he did before, they are in a circle and from the side thats as many as you can see. Simple.

 

[The Necromancer]

Occams razor, he has as many as he did before, they are in a circle and from the side thats as many as you can see. Simple.

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[so12p]

Naruto used 3 to seal Madara's Limbo.

He then lost one in the lava dimension (used as platform for Sasuke) when Kaguya swapped to the Ice Dimension.

He used to 2 to bind Black Zetsu.

The 3 near Madara are outside Naruto's 70 meter range to control the TSBs, and the other 3 are gone for good assuming they cannot be recreated leaving him with only 3.

None were lost in the fight with Madara. Naruto had them still in the fight with Kaguya (look at chapter 687, for example). None were lost in the lava dimension, either. Naruto used one to support suckske. You can see suckske riding one in the shape of a disk in one of the chapters. The two used on BZ to pin him down, Naruto pulled out to unstake BZ and through him into the CT to seal him.

So he has them all and is apparently only choosing to use 3 at the moment.

 

[The Necromancer]

None were lost in the fight with Madara. Naruto had them still in the fight with Kaguya (look at chapter 687, for example). None were lost in the lava dimension, either. Naruto used one to support suckske. You can see suckske riding one in the shape of a disk in one of the chapters. The two used on BZ to pin him down, Naruto pulled out to unstake BZ and through him into the CT to seal him.

So he has them all and is apparently only choosing to use 3 at the moment.

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He has 5. Subtract 2 more to pin BZ to CT and you're left with 3.

Wrong on all counts.

 

[Zawerni]

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I don't see the correlation or contradiction with the underlined parts. There wasn't a part of Naruto that was left behind in those previous dimensions, so there wasn't an instance of a single cell possessing Naruto's chakra being left behind. If part of Naruto was left behind in a previous dimension, those two lines would contradict. But that isn't the case here.

The bolded parts are two separate instances that aren't connected with one another. In one instance, Madara was bisected and half his body was left in the real world, which still had some of his chakra. In another instance, half of Madara's body was left behind after Kaguya was revived and was most likely devoid of his chakra, as I stated before, since Kaguya was absorbing the chakra of everyone. In the first instance, there wasn't anyone absorbing chakra. There's no contradiction there.

If Madara's lower half had sufficient chakra to sustain the TSBs, then they would not have disappeared after Kaguya took over. The lower half was confirmed to contain chakra as that is how Hagoromo was able to appear in the physical world.

The lower half may have contained Hagoromo's chakra, which is how Hagoromo manifested himself. It was already said Hagoromo's chakra was needed to awaken the Rinnegan, which means Madara did have it. But that doesn't necessarily mean some of Madara's chakra was also left in that half of his body, which explains why the gudoudama disintegrated after Kaguya left into another dimension.

In case this is somehow still too hard to follow:

Kaguya absorbed Madara's chakra.
Kaguya left to lava dimension
Madara's gudoudama disintegrated.

Madara also was not dead while Kaguya was alive.

 

[The Necromancer]

I don't see the correlation or contradiction with the underlined parts. There wasn't a part of Naruto that was left behind in those previous dimensions, so there wasn't an instance of a single cell possessing Naruto's chakra being left behind. If part of Naruto was left behind in a previous dimension, those two lines would contradict. But that isn't the case here.

The bolded parts are two separate instances that aren't connected with one another. In one instance, Madara was bisected and half his body was left in the real world, which still had some of his chakra. In another instance, half of Madara's body was left behind after Kaguya was revived and was most likely devoid of his chakra, as I stated before, since Kaguya was absorbing the chakra of everyone. In the first instance, there wasn't anyone absorbing chakra. There's no contradiction there.



The lower half may have contained Hagoromo's chakra, which is how Hagoromo manifested himself. It was already said Hagoromo's chakra was needed to awaken the Rinnegan, which means Madara did have it. But that doesn't necessarily mean some of Madara's chakra was also left in that half of his body, which explains why the gudoudama disintegrated after Kaguya left into another dimension.

In case this is somehow still too hard to follow:

Kaguya absorbed Madara's chakra.
Kaguya left to lava dimension
Madara's gudoudama disintegrated.

Madara also was not dead while Kaguya was alive.

If you're continuing to believe the BS that you've typed, then by your logic the entirety of the Shinjuu residing in the home dimension is filled with Naruto's chakra, as he was not only attacked by the Shinjuu himself, but his shared chakra with the SA was also absorbed into it.

The same applies to Madara. Madara absorbed a Kyuubi cloak which contains traces of Naruto's chakra, so by default Kaguya hold portions of Naruto's chakra (even before she started absorbing it) which means she is a container that holds together Naruto's Gudoudama as well.

So you see, whether you're right or you're wrong, you're still wrong. It's now your job to decide how wrong you want to be when this debate is over.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Another restriction from Kishimoto. Lol

 

[shadowcb]

I think he only created 3 TSB because he is holding back.

When Naruto first returned he didn't have any TSB. The TSB didn't appear until Naruto activated his RM proving that he creates the TSB at his will and it's not a jutsu that always active. Naruto can create a total of 9.

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When Naruto was punching zetsu into the seal we only saw 2 TSB -

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. The 2 that were restraining zetsu so that further proves Naruto can activate and deactivate the TSB at will. There was a total of 5 TSB with Naruto in that dimension so must have deactivated the other 3 TSB. If Naruto can activate and deactivate the TSB at will then that means he can create more to battle Sasuke with if chooses. He would just have to deactivate the other 6 if he hasn't already so he can recreate them at this current location.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Naruto only needs 3 orbs to solo Sasuke. That is as far as I can go to stop Sasuke *sob*
- from Kishimoto

 

[Zawerni]

If you're continuing to believe the BS that you've typed, then by your logic the entirety of the Shinjuu residing in the home dimension is filled with Naruto's chakra, as he was not only attacked by the Shinjuu himself, but his shared chakra with the SA was also absorbed into it.

The same applies to Madara. Madara absorbed a Kyuubi cloak which contains traces of Naruto's chakra, so by default Kaguya hold portions of Naruto's chakra (even before she started absorbing it) which means she is a container that holds together Naruto's Gudoudama as well.

So you see, whether you're right or you're wrong, you're still wrong. It's now your job to decide how wrong you want to be when this debate is over.

Naruto said he kept the Kyuubi's chakra in a separate place than his own, and he gave the Alliance the Kyuubi's chakra. Where do the traces of Naruto's chakra come from then?

Also the Shinju that absorbed Naruto's chakra, which was summoned by Obito, was cut down by Naruto and absorbed into Madara.

It makes no difference if Kaguya had a portion of Naruto's chakra, since she was warping them all into different dimensions at the same time. The only exceptions being when she traveled into a different dimension temporarily and came back out in a different spot, but that still changes nothing.

 

[The Necromancer]

Naruto said he kept the Kyuubi's chakra in a separate place than his own, and he gave the Alliance the Kyuubi's chakra. Where do the traces of Naruto's chakra come from then?

Also the Shinju that absorbed Naruto's chakra, which was summoned by Obito, was cut down by Naruto and absorbed into Madara.

It makes no difference if Kaguya had a portion of Naruto's chakra, since she was warping them all into different dimensions at the same time. The only exceptions being when she traveled into a different dimension temporarily and came back out in a different spot, but that still changes nothing.

Welp, I'm done for real this time. I thought you might make a comeback and bring back some excitement to this debate, but your failure to grasp the simplest of concepts presented using the logic you brought in has disappointed me.

 

[Zawerni]

Welp, I'm done for real this time. I thought you might make a comeback and bring back some excitement to this debate, but your failure to grasp the simplest of concepts presented using the logic you brought in has disappointed me.

But you have yet to put any hole in my side of the debate. You pull out points that you claim "contradict" and just keep saying I'm wrong. That isn't disproving what I'm saying. Have you read the manga? The things I've been saying come from the manga.

 

[The Necromancer]

But you have yet to put any hole in my side of the debate. You pull out points that you claim "contradict" and just keep saying I'm wrong. That isn't disproving what I'm saying. Have you read the manga? The things I've been saying come from the manga.

Keep believing that. Goodbye.

 

[Jcub]

And now for something completely different:

If Minato was able to wisk away mandy's TSB then there is a good change Naruto will have to embark on some crazy filler episode to getthem back, only to be thwarted by TonTon the TSB using Pig...My point is.. doesn't matter much to me.

But IF he could regen them(on demand or over time) what if he already placed them some where for a sneak attack? Again IF he can regen them. We have seen it done before with clones, and other characters have done similar things...seems to be a favorite of Kish.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

If you're continuing to believe the BS that you've typed, then by your logic the entirety of the Shinjuu residing in the home dimension is filled with Naruto's chakra, as he was not only attacked by the Shinjuu himself, but his shared chakra with the SA was also absorbed into it.

The same applies to Madara. Madara absorbed a Kyuubi cloak which contains traces of Naruto's chakra, so by default Kaguya hold portions of Naruto's chakra (even before she started absorbing it) which means she is a container that holds together Naruto's Gudoudama as well.

So you see, whether you're right or you're wrong, you're still wrong. It's now your job to decide how wrong you want to be when this debate is over.

Really? That is like saying since Naruto gave his chakra cloak to nearly everybody in the alliance therefore they should "be a container that holds Naruto's Gudoudama" which is retarded logic.

 

[The Necromancer]

Really? That is like saying since Naruto gave his chakra cloak to nearly everybody in the alliance therefore they should "be a container that holds Naruto's Gudoudama" which is retarded logic.

I know it is. I absolutely agree, but it is Zawerni's logic. I just followed it.