[Discussion] Jozu vs Law

[VongolaX]

You only need to know CoA to hit a Logia, you don't necessarily have to be good at it. Also, Jozu never hit Akainu iirc.

OT: Jozu mid diff.

Read again, I never said Akainu....

I put down Akoji, he hit Akoji off whitbeards staff.

You need to have a good enough Haki to hit experience people like crocodile and Akoji.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Read again, I never said Akainu....

I put down Akoji, he hit Akoji off whitbeards staff.

You need to have a good enough Haki to hit experience people like crocodile and Akoji.

Hitting Crocodile doesn't mean much. Crocodile's experience is that he can transform reflexively, that doesn't matter against an actual Haki user because even if you transform, they're gonna be able to hit you as if you didn't.

Kuzan didn't notice Jozu coming until he was practically touching him already, he didn't really have time to muster up his Haki to block Jozu, especially since his focus was on his Ice powers, not his Haki. Jozu got way too close way to fast for Kuzan to switch up.

 

[VongolaX]

Hitting Crocodile doesn't mean much. Crocodile's experience is that he can transform reflexively, that doesn't matter against an actual Haki user because even if you transform, they're gonna be able to hit you as if you didn't.

Didn't work against Akoji when Whitebeard landed a hit, nor did it work when Doffy tried to cut Crocodiles head.
I'm sure if Whitebeard had full intent, he would of got Akoji on the second try.

Kuzan didn't notice Jozu coming until he was practically touching him already, he didn't really have time to muster up his Haki to block Jozu, especially since his focus was on his Ice powers, not his Haki. Jozu got way too close way to fast for Kuzan to switch up.

And that's why Jozu wins, with his level of Haki and speed, he can clip almost anyone.

Law wouldn't even compete since he got blitzed by Vergo a couple of times.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Didn't work against Akoji when Whitebeard landed a hit, nor did it work when Doffy tried to cut Crocodiles head.
I'm sure if Whitebeard had full intent, he would of got Akoji on the second try.



And that's why Jozu wins, with his level of Haki and speed, he can clip almost anyone.

Law wouldn't even compete since he got blitzed by Vergo a couple of times.

1. Kuzan created a hole in his stomach and let the Bisento pass through.

2. Crocodile isn't on Kuzan's level, and Doflamingo simply didn't lace his strings with Haki.

3. I never said that Jozu can't clip Law with his speed, I don't know why you're bringing that up to me. In fact, none of what I said in that previous post is about Jozu vs Law, but just Jozu, in that hitting Crocodile and Kuzan weren't a matter of super strong Haki, but good speed and timing for Kuzan, and what could be basic Haki for Crocodile.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Read again, I never said Akainu....

I put down Akoji, he hit Akoji off whitbeards staff.

You need to have a good enough Haki to hit experience people like crocodile and Akoji.

I saw "Ak" and thought of Akainu. Seriously why aren't you putting down the o.

 

[VongolaX]

1. Kuzan created a hole in his stomach and let the Bisento pass through.

And where was this fanfic stated?

2. Crocodile isn't on Kuzan's level, and Doflamingo simply didn't lace his strings with Haki.

No warlord is on kuzan's level except for Mihawk, Crocodike is a veteran that went into the new world and came out intact.

Doflamingo either didn't have Haki pre timeskip or he did put Haki and it failed to do nothing.

Of course he would use Haki if he had it, it's war and Crocodile just finish blowing across the marineford.

3. I never said that Jozu can't clip Law with his speed, I don't know why you're bringing that up to me. In fact, none of what I said in that previous post is about Jozu vs Law, but just Jozu, in that hitting Crocodile and Kuzan weren't a matter of super strong Haki, but good speed and timing for Kuzan, and what could be basic Haki for Crocodile.

It's a matter of Haki and speed, otherwise he would just pass through them.

 

[VongolaX]

I saw "Ak" and thought of Akainu. Seriously why aren't you putting down the o.

It's in the middle? 0_o

 

[Punk Hazard]

And where was this fanfic stated?



No warlord is on kuzan's level except for Mihawk, Crocodike is a veteran that went into the new world and came out intact.

Doflamingo either didn't have Haki pre timeskip or he did put Haki and it failed to do nothing.

Of course he would use Haki if he had it, it's war and Crocodile just finish blowing across the marineford.



It's a matter of Haki and speed, otherwise he would just pass through them.

1. Anyone with eyes could see that in the manga and anime.

2. Doflamingo cut off Crocodile's head as a means of getting his attention, not to attack him. He didn't lace his strings with Busoshoku because he wants Crocodile to team up with him, it'd be hard for Crocodile to do that if he were decapitated and in a grave.

3. That doesn't mean super strong Haki. Busoshoku bypassed Crocodile's defenses because, as his portrayal, Crocodile lacks Haki. Jozu bypassed Kuzan because Kuzan was in the middle of using his ice abilities and didn't have enough time to switch to using Haki.

 

[VongolaX]

1. Anyone with eyes could see that in the manga and anime.

Lol, well anyone with eyes can see that you don't know what the hell just happened so all fanfic theories aside.

2. Doflamingo cut off Crocodile's head as a means of getting his attention, not to attack him. He didn't lace his strings with Busoshoku because he wants Crocodile to team up with him, it'd be hard for Crocodile to do that if he were decapitated and in a grave.

So this assumption of attention is your answer?

He already said no, so what else use is Crocodile for Doflamingo?

Nothing but to do his job in killing him, which he failed to do.

If he had Haki, he obviously used it and failed.

Doflamingo can't put down Crocodile for sh*t, he's fought Whitebeard too many times to get put down by him.

3. That doesn't mean super strong Haki. Busoshoku bypassed Crocodile's defenses because, as his portrayal, Crocodile lacks Haki. Jozu bypassed Kuzan because Kuzan was in the middle of using his ice abilities and didn't have enough time to switch to using Haki.

Well you don't know if he has it or not, but for one thing it takes good Haki toss an admiral to the ground.

No weak Haki like that would make him bleed.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

It's in the middle? 0_o

His name is "Aokiji" not "Akoji" how do you not know this?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lol, well anyone with eyes can see that you don't know what the hell just happened so all fanfic theories aside.




So this assumption of attention is your answer?

He already said no, so what else use is Crocodile for Doflamingo?

Nothing but to do his job in killing him, which he failed to do.

If he had Haki, he obviously used it and failed.

Doflamingo can't put down Crocodile for sh*t, he's fought Whitebeard too many times to get put down by him.



Well you don't know if he has it or not, but for one thing it takes good Haki toss an admiral to the ground.

No weak Haki like that would make him bleed.

I could say the same to you.

It's not an assumption, seeing as how he called out Crocodile's name and brought up teaming up once again. Doflamingo can choose whether or not he used Haki. The fact that Doflamingo wanted to team up with Crocodile is proof that he didn't use Haki. You have no proof that he did.

Not necessarily. Kuzan wasn't using Haki when Jozu hit him, he was using his ice powers at the time. Meaning, Kuzan's Haki wasn't even activated to negate Jozu's, no negating Haki=Jozu being able to touch Kuzan's body. Jozu was able to knock down Kuzan and make him bleed not because his Haki was super strong, but because, as your small mind has clearly forgotten:
1. Jozu has diamond, the world's hardest material, coating his body
2. Strength to deadlift and throw millions of tons
3. Height about twice as big as Crocodile, at least 16 feet tall, meaning he's weighing well over 500 pounds, most likely even more.
4. Immense speed

It's not because his Haki is super strong, it's because he slammed into Kuzan with the force of over 500 pounds running at immense speed while being coated in Haki, and while Kuzan was unable to use Haki to neutralize his. Anyone with half of a brain can see that.

 

[VongolaX]

His name is "Aokiji" not "Akoji" how do you not know this?

Well I'm Japanese for starters, so butchering foreign names should come natural to anyone and shouldn't be patronize.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Well I'm Japanese for starters, so butchering foreign names should come natural to anyone and shouldn't be patronize.

Aokiji is a Japanese portmanteau though...

 

[VongolaX]

I could say the same to you.

It's not an assumption, seeing as how he called out Crocodile's name and brought up teaming up once again. Doflamingo can choose whether or not he used Haki. The fact that Doflamingo wanted to team up with Crocodile is proof that he didn't use Haki. You have no proof that he did.

If he still wanted to team up, he would try to cut his head or kick him.

So if he had Haki back then, he sure enough couldn't use it to hurt crocodile in the war.

Not necessarily. Kuzan wasn't using Haki when Jozu hit him, he was using his ice powers at the time. Meaning, Kuzan's Haki wasn't even activated to negate Jozu's, no negating Haki=Jozu being able to touch Kuzan's body. Jozu was able to knock down Kuzan and make him bleed not because his Haki was super strong, but because, as your small mind has clearly forgotten:
1. Jozu has diamond, the world's hardest material, coating his body
2. Strength to deadlift and throw millions of tons
3. Height about twice as big as Crocodile, at least 16 feet tall, meaning he's weighing well over 500 pounds, most likely even more.
4. Immense speed

It's not because his Haki is super strong, it's because he slammed into Kuzan with the force of over 500 pounds running at immense speed while being coated in Haki, and while Kuzan was unable to use Haki to neutralize his. Anyone with half of a brain can see that.

Way to state the obvious, now it takes a good amount of Haki to hit a guy who just finish bypassing his Captain's Haki.

When Aokji got stabbed, did Whitebeards thrust send him flying?

No

Anyone with one fourth of a brain should know that.

 

[VongolaX]

Aokiji is a Japanese portmanteau though...

Still a Japanese, doesn't really change anything here.

Blue pheasant would be a lot more understandable, but that is still not an English name.

Why you brought it up is beyond me...

 

[A v i]

Jozu can hold his own against an admiral, that alone is more than enough to put him above Law.

 

[miino]

Jozu mid diff
law is nowhere near admiral's level
but lord Mingo is

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Jozu mid diff
law is nowhere near admiral's level
but lord Mingo is

DD isnt Admiral level...he is Shichibukai level
Marco is Admiral level and Sabo is close to it

 

[ultraChalk]

Doflamingo either didn't have Haki pre timeskip or he did put Haki and it failed to do nothing.

You must also believe that Mihawk does not posses Haki, since he sliced but did not kill Buggy.

 

[shon93]

Is this even a question Jozu shitstomps Law