[Discussion] Sabo takes a Dressrosa gauntlet

[Fireplay]

Loses to Fuji. High-diff beats Dofla and stomps everyone else.

Btw, Sabo himself told Fuji to stop holding back.

Luffy and Law>Hakuba

 

[Punk Hazard]

Hakuba is overrated. Rebecca dodged him, and he lasts for literally a few seconds.

Sabo ties with Doflamingo and lose, but just by an edge, with Fujitora. I'm inclined to believe the scan where it was said Sabo and Fujitora injured each other, but I don't feel like having that argument again.

 

[Bogard]

Hakuba is overrated. Rebecca dodged him, and he lasts for literally a few seconds.

Sabo ties with Doflamingo and lose, but just by an edge, with Fujitora. I'm inclined to believe the scan where it was said Sabo and Fujitora injured each other, but I don't feel like having that argument again.

Fair point. I forgot to mention i give unlimited mode to Hakuba for the sake of the thread

@underlined part she is an adept observation user since a child. Not to mention she didn't dodge him at all and barely escaped death because Hakuba hit the helmet

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Fair point. I forgot to mention i give unlimited mode to Hakuba for the sake of the thread

@underlined part she is an adept observation user since a child. Not to mention she didn't dodge him at all and barely escaped death because Hakuba hit the helmet

There's no way Rebecca's CoO is better than the M3's and Laws.

 

[Hexuze]

Scenario 1: Stops at Doffy and loses to him pretty easily
Scenario 2: Stops at Fujitora and Fujitora mid-diff's him. A serious/blood-lust Fujitora would beat Sabo pretty easily.

 

[Bogard]

There's no way Rebecca's CoO is better than the M3's and Laws.

And how do you know that? Just like skypiea Aisa's wasn't right? Rebecca's fighting style consist in dodging, something she always used to do since a child. It's like an inherited habit. A barely 2years training for previous non haki users who didn't even focus that much their training on haki is never going to reach the level of a decade observation user whose fighting style is focused on observing/predicting/dodging

 

[Punk Hazard]

Fair point. I forgot to mention i give unlimited mode to Hakuba for the sake of the thread

@underlined part she is an adept observation user since a child. Not to mention she didn't dodge him at all and barely escaped death because Hakuba hit the helmet

Hakuba still gets beaten. Cavendish hasn't shown any Busoshoku Haki anyways.

Regardless of her Observation Haki, she still needs the speed to back it up. Rebecca actually moved and that caused Hakuba to strike her helmet.

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Rebecca was able to avoid Hakuba, Sabo can too.

 

[VongolaX]

Without breaks I don't think he will make it passed luffy, considering Logia's weak bodies.

With breaks in between he beats everyone but fujitori.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Without breaks I don't think he will make it passed luffy, considering Logia's weak bodies.

With breaks in between he beats everyone but fujitori.

He isn't going to lose his durability since he just became a Logia like 30 minutes ago.

 

[VongolaX]

He isn't going to lose his durability since he just became a Logia like 30 minutes ago.

When you become a logia, you have shorten lifespan.

Your physical strength goes down, and you can't take much hits.

In the colosseum he soloed burguess and diamanté low diff.

As soon as he got the fruit and left to fight the admiral, he was already wounded and fatigued.

 

[Punk Hazard]

When you become a logia, you have shorten lifespan.

Your physical strength goes down, and you can't take much hits.

In the colosseum he soloed burguess and diamanté low diff.

As soon as he got the fruit and left to fight the admiral, he was already wounded and fatigued.

That's some mighty big fanfic there. Pekoms, as I believe you are quoting, said ¨Logias have shorter life spans in the New World because they become overconfident in their abilities.¨ The New World is filled with prominent Haki users, so a Logia who's overconfident can get killed relatively easily. A Logia fruit doesn't actually reduce your lifespan.

Physical strength going down is also completely made-up and never stated in the manga. Sabo just got his fruit, and his body isn't used to the intangibility, as he himself commented that he still dodged attacks he could have simply let hit him. Sabo's durability hasn't dropped yet, if it ever will, because he's still used to being hit.

All that means is that Fuji>Diamante and Fuji>Burgess.

 

[VongolaX]

That's some mighty big fanfic there. Pekoms, as I believe you are quoting, said ¨Logias have shorter life spans in the New World because they become overconfident in their abilities.¨ The New World is filled with prominent Haki users, so a Logia who's overconfident can get killed relatively easily. A Logia fruit doesn't actually reduce your lifespan.

And then the Ace fight happened...

It's not fanfic if it's already stated in the manga

Physical strength going down is also completely made-up and never stated in the manga. Sabo just got his fruit, and his body isn't used to the intangibility, as he himself commented that he still dodged attacks he could have simply let hit him. Sabo's durability hasn't dropped yet, if it ever will, because he's still used to being hit.

All that means is that Fuji>Diamante and Fuji>Burgess.

Looking back at all the logia's.....

No, physical durability reduces...

 

[Punk Hazard]

And then the Ace fight happened...

It's not fanfic if it's already stated in the manga



Looking back at all the logia's.....

No, physical durability reduces...

Physical durability reduces because a Logia becomes used to letting attacks pass through them. It's the same as if someone stops lifting weights, or stops cardio, they get weaker and slower because their body is no longer trained to keep up. Their physical durability being reduced doesn't have to happen, nor does it happen instantly, it takes time.

What Ace fight? Ace died because he fought an opponent stronger than him. Look at Borsalino, Kuzan and Sakazuki, all Logias who are into their fifties. A Logia doesn't automatically have their lifespan decreased. Not only that, but both Borsalino and Sakazuki were capable of holding down Whitebeard's bisento with one leg, indicating massive physical strength.

You are grossly misinterpreting the manga.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

And then the Ace fight happened...

It's not fanfic if it's already stated in the manga



Looking back at all the logia's.....

No, physical durability reduces...

Too bad that all Logias except for Sabo have had their fruits for awhile, which caused some of them to become overconfident in their abilities and lose their durability.

 

[VongolaX]

Physical durability reduces because a Logia becomes used to letting attacks pass through them. It's the same as if someone stops lifting weights, or stops cardio, they get weaker and slower because their body is no longer trained to keep up. Their physical durability being reduced doesn't have to happen, nor does it happen instantly, it takes time.

You don't just get weaker by not lifting, it's a matter of muscle memory that applies.

It's still in there it just takes time for restoration.

^^I would know

What Ace fight? Ace died because he fought an opponent stronger than him. Look at Borsalino, Kuzan and Sakazuki, all Logias who are into their fifties. A Logia doesn't automatically have their lifespan decreased. Not only that, but both Borsalino and Sakazuki were capable of holding down Whitebeard's bisento with one leg, indicating massive physical strength.

You are grossly misinterpreting the manga.

That's a horrible comparison...

Even crocodile clashed with Mihawk, does that mean crocodile is physically on par with Mihawk?

No..

Whitebeard swinging his sword in an upward motion is bound to get stopped by a foot, especially when he's dying.

Borsalino got kicked through a building by Marco, he did nothing physically to put down Whitebeard who's hacking up blood every thirty minutes.

 

[VongolaX]

Too bad that all Logias except for Sabo have had their fruits for awhile, which caused some of them to become overconfident in their abilities and lose their durability.

Sabo was out against fujitori mid way through the battle.

For someone Sabo's level, he shouldn't be wasted after a few minutes of battling.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Sabo was out against fujitori mid way through the battle.

For someone Sabo's level, he shouldn't be wasted after a few minutes of battling.

I wouldn't say having a few dust marks on you makes you "wasted"

 

[VongolaX]

I wouldn't say having a few dust marks on you makes you "wasted"

He was on the floor...

 

[Punk Hazard]

You don't just get weaker by not lifting, it's a matter of muscle memory that applies.

It's still in there it just takes time for restoration.

^^I would know



That's a horrible comparison...

Even crocodile clashed with Mihawk, does that mean crocodile is physically on par with Mihawk?

No..

Whitebeard swinging his sword in an upward motion is bound to get stopped by a foot, especially when he's dying.

Borsalino got kicked through a building by Marco, he did nothing physically to put down Whitebeard who's hacking up blood every thirty minutes.

Yeah, I'm sure you would. The point still stands, a Logia user doesn't automatically lose their durability when they consume their fruit, it takes time.

No it's not. Borsalino, Akainu and Kuzan are Admirals, all displaying great strength. Even while ailing, Whitebeard still had his immense strength at his disposal. Being able to hold down his Bisento is a feat of great strength. It's not the same as Crocodile swinging his hook at Mihawk for several reasons: 1.) It was one brief clash 2.)Crocodile's hook is extremely strong

Borsalino and Sakuzuki were capable of keeping down Whitebeard's bisento using just their legs, not any weapons, just their leg, for longer than Crocodile and Mihawk clashed.

Borsalino was kicked through a building by Marco yes, but that's another testament to Borsalino's durability.

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Kicked through a building by a Haki blow, no scratches or damage whatsoever. That's durability.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

He was on the floor...

Scan please.