[Discussion] Jozu vs Law

[Sweet Pudding]

Who wins?
Btw this Jozu before Aokiji severd his arm

 

[Cigbeast]

law cuts out hart and stabs it gg

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Law wins
Once Jozu charges at him he can use room to slow him down and then cut him via Vergo diff

 

[ultraChalk]

Law, mid diff.

Jozu isn't that fast, is he?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Jozu hasn't shown any particular Haki feats, so I'd assume Law's cutting ability would affect him.

But I have a feeling Jozu might be too fast for Law, he was able to intercept Mihawk's slash which was meant for Whitebeard, so it had to be packing some top speed, so I'm not sure.

 

[Love Cook]

So no one is going to question if the diamond will cause Law any trouble cutting him ?

 

[Punk Hazard]

So no one is going to question if the diamond will cause Law any trouble cutting him ?

He cut Kairoseki, so no.

 

[Bogard]

Jozu mid difficulty. If Doflamingo's haki is strong enough to block Law's cuting power, Jozu will block it with ease. Not to mention the massive difference in speed and power. Law isn't there yet. He isn't even Doflamingo level, so let alone Jozu

 

[Punk Hazard]

Jozu mid difficulty. If Doflamingo's haki is strong enough to block Law's cuting power, Jozu will block it with ease. Not to mention the massive difference in speed and power. Law isn't there yet. He isn't even Doflamingo level, so let alone Jozu

Nothing really distinguishes Jozu's Haki from Doflamingo's, or puts it ahead. If anything, I'd say it's kind of reasonable to assume Jozu's Haki itself might not be that great due to his Diamond powers. It wouldn't be quite farfetched to assume that Jozu has Busoshoku to touch Logias, but relies on his diamond to do the real damage. Nothing supports that though, I'll admit.

 

[Fireplay]

Jozu steamrolls.

 

[ultraChalk]

Jozu steamrolls.

what makes you say this?

 

[Bogard]

Nothing really distinguishes Jozu's Haki from Doflamingo's, or puts it ahead. If anything, I'd say it's kind of reasonable to assume Jozu's Haki itself might not be that great due to his Diamond powers. It wouldn't be quite farfetched to assume that Jozu has Busoshoku to touch Logias, but relies on his diamond to do the real damage. Nothing supports that though, I'll admit.

I put Jozu's haki in the same ballpark with admirals. His Diamond form has a cubic shape, not like a sword used to stab and having greater piercing power, yet Whitebeard failed to damage Kuzan but Jozu did with a brawling attack. Obviously he won't always fail(like he almost KO'd Akainu), but it was pretty telling about how strong Jozu's haki is. Not to mention that his fighting style(brawling) actually requires a great use of busoshoku haki. It's not for nothing that Garp was the only one who actually managed to damage Marco in his phoenix form(something Kizaru was failing to do). Besides, Jozu fought Kuzan during a considerable moment in base form(at least from what was seen). And to be capable to accomplish that for a brawlers, his speed, physical stats and haki should be comparable to Kuzan especially when you know how fast, strong and hax Kuzan's ice actually is. All that makes me think Jozu's haki is comparable to them. Doflamingo however never faced an admiral, so if anything there is more proof that Jozu's haki > Doflamingo's than the contrary

 

[Love Cook]

He cut Kairoseki, so no.

He used his sword to actually cut the chain, he didn't use his ability. So you still don't know if his room allows him to cut up diamond.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I put Jozu's haki in the same ballpark with admirals. His Diamond form has a cubic shape, not like a sword used to stab and having greater piercing power, yet Whitebeard failed to damage Kuzan but Jozu did with a brawling attack. Obviously he won't always fail(like he almost KO'd Akainu), but it was pretty telling about how strong Jozu's haki is. Not to mention that his fighting style(brawling) actually requires a great use of busoshoku haki. It's not for nothing that Garp was the only one who actually managed to damage Marco in his phoenix form(something Kizaru was failing to do). Besides, Jozu fought Kuzan during a considerable moment in base form(at least from what was seen). And to be capable to accomplish that for a brawlers, his speed, physical stats and haki should be comparable to Kuzan especially when you know how fast, strong and hax Kuzan's ice actually is. All that makes me think Jozu's haki is comparable to them. Doflamingo however never faced an admiral, so if anything there is more proof that Jozu's haki > Doflamingo's than the contrary

1. Newgate didn't fail to injure Kuzan. Kuzan created the hole in stomach, which the Haki-infused Bisento slipped through. The Bisento never actually pierced Kuzan.

2. Diamond is the hardest material in the world. Busoshoku, so far, has been shown to be above steel, but not on the level of diamond, diamond is harder than Busoshoku Haki. Jozu could have Haki on a basic level to be able to touch Logias, and let the diamond do the actual damage. Couple with the strength he can put into his arms, Busoshoku is only really needed to touch them, while his beastly strength and the ultimate hardness of diamond does the rest.

3. Kizaru failed to harm Marco while Garp could because Busoshoku has so far only been seen being able to be embedded into solid objects with a tangible form. Kizaru's lasers do not fit the category, so Busoshoku couldn't be embedded in them, while Garp could lace his fist with Busoshoku.

4. You shouldn't really use Kuzan vs Jozu as a comparison to Doflamingo vs Kuzan in attempt for Jozu's favor. Jozu ended up frozen and helpless to less ice than what Doflamingo broke out from.

 

[Punk Hazard]

He used his sword to actually cut the chain, he didn't use his ability. So you still don't know if his room allows him to cut up diamond.

He cut a Marine ship, the bottom of which is coated in Kairoseki. And you really think Law can cut a material as hard as diamond with his sword alone, what Mihawk couldn't do?

 

[Bogard]

1. Newgate didn't fail to injure Kuzan. Kuzan created the hole in stomach, which the Haki-infused Bisento slipped through. The Bisento never actually pierced Kuzan.

No he did stabbed him. The fodders around said as much. Not to mention the body part Whitebeard stabbed turned into a block of ice, proving the physical contact, something that even surprised Whitebeard who was standing just infront of him. He likely thought as well as others that Kuzan was dead. Not to mention Whitebeard failed against Kizaru as well

2. Diamond is the hardest material in the world. Busoshoku, so far, has been shown to be above steel, but not on the level of diamond, diamond is harder than Busoshoku Haki. Jozu could have Haki on a basic level to be able to touch Logias, and let the diamond do the actual damage. Couple with the strength he can put into his arms, Busoshoku is only really needed to touch them, while his beastly strength and the ultimate hardness of diamond does the rest.

The durability of the material doesn't matter if you lack haki to bypass a logia, but admirals are haki users themselves, so to actual make the material hit them, your haki must first be strong enough to equal if not bypass their own. Otherwise it won't even hit them

3. Kizaru failed to harm Marco while Garp could because Busoshoku has so far only been seen being able to be embedded into solid objects with a tangible form. Kizaru's lasers do not fit the category, so Busoshoku couldn't be embedded in them, while Garp could lace his fist with Busoshoku.

Zoro vs Monet says hi

4. You shouldn't really use Kuzan vs Jozu as a comparison to Doflamingo vs Kuzan in attempt for Jozu's favor. Jozu ended up frozen and helpless to less ice than what Doflamingo broke out from.

You should already know what i think about the matter, so trying to reply on this will just be another useless repeat

 

[Hexuze]

No he did stabbed him. The fodders around said as much. Not to mention the body part Whitebeard stabbed turned into a block of ice, proving the physical contact, something that even surprised Whitebeard who was standing just infront of him. He likely thought as well as others that Kuzan was dead. Not to mention Whitebeard failed against Kizaru as well

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WB's body turned to ice because Aokiji froze the bisento and as a result his hand (holding the bisento) got frozen.

 

[Punk Hazard]

No he did stabbed him. The fodders around said as much. Not to mention the body part Whitebeard stabbed turned into a block of ice, proving the physical contact, something that even surprised Whitebeard who was standing just infront of him. He likely thought as well as others that Kuzan was dead. Not to mention Whitebeard failed against Kizaru as well

The durability of the material doesn't matter if you lack haki to bypass a logia, but admirals are haki users themselves, so to actual make the material hit them, your haki must first be strong enough to equal if not bypass their own. Otherwise it won't even hit them

Zoro vs Monet says hi

You should already know what i think about the matter, so trying to reply on this will just be another useless repeat

I give you the point about Monet and Zoro.

Kuzan let it past through a hole. The block of ice is him freezing the Bisento as Yo Momma said.

Newgate didn't have Haki laced onto his Bisento. Right before that, he was about to use Haoshoku to take out Ace's executioners, but his ailments on his heart hindered his Haki usage. He couldn't use Haki at the moment.

Yeah yeah whatever, fact remains Kuzan created way more ice when he froze Doffy, so there was more power output there whether you like it or not.

 

[VongolaX]

Jozu wins...

He's shown enough Haki to hit Crocodile and Akoji, so he has nothing to worry about Law's cutting power.

His speed and power is just way beyond Law, it's not possible for Law to survive a hit from that guy.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Jozu wins...

He's shown enough Haki to hit Crocodile and Akoji, so he has nothing to worry about Law's cutting power.

His speed and power is just way beyond Law, it's not possible for Law to survive a hit from that guy.

You only need to know CoA to hit a Logia, you don't necessarily have to be good at it. Also, Jozu never hit Akainu iirc.

OT: Jozu mid diff.