Sakura VS Neji CQC battle

[Icelerate]

It was already established that jonins were vastly stronger than genins in everyway back then as all participants were aspiring to be chunins which is vastly inferior to jounin..But even so,Kakashi who became a jonin at a very young and is arguably the strongest remarked that

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and gai who is also arguably the strongest remarked that the secret to beating neji for unweighted lee was hidden lotus which puts him at an insane reaction plateau long before sakura started to learn evasion from tsunade. Now as for the sound who fought 2 jonins,it was still an established fact that jonin>chunins and this fight also happend offscreen without us getting to see how they countered the various abilities of the sound 4 eg: tayuya's sound gen along with sakon's body merge and without feats of how they countered all these abilities we cant assume it was done so just by speed alone since they very could hav had perfect counter's to these abilities plus these two were a team

The point is that the jounin were well above part one Neji when it comes to speed which you agreed with. Unless you think Sakura is slower than the likes of Kurenai, Genma and Raidou, she too is well above part one Neji when it comes to speed. My point is that if an arrow or web is coming in the way of Genma and Raidou, they will obviously be fast enough to dodge it unless you think Kishi is willing to one panel Genma and Raidou by Kidomaru alone when even the likes of Neji were able to react and almost dodge those attacks. Yes gated Lee possessed the key to beating Neji which is the power his blows have when he uses gates.

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which means that being extremely fast isn't the only way to overpower Neji. Sakura may not be as fast as Lee but the vastly superior force her punches possess compensates for that.

While the arrows shot by kidomaru as you said were aimed at his blind spot and even could shift its position to intercept that blindspot which again brings us back to the sound 4 vs 2 jonin battle as we never saw how they countered anything,while A>B>C logic cant work as kidomaru's abilities clashed perfect against neji's..
Now as for war neji getting taged by zetsu you were wrong as this was not at the start of the war while u forget to mention that neji was in the CQC faction which means he was fighting for quite some time in CQC as it was apparent in future scans that he was tired because of overuse of his byakugan and all the fighting in cqc as he even fell after trying to save hinata..Trying to use that double jump feat of sakura trying to evade the arm is a null point as kishi drew the exact movement and the distance traveled was shown by comparison we can use this feat to show neji doing a similar feat in terms of reaction/speed

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Neji's abilities also clashed perfectly against Kidomaru so your point about Kidomaru being a perfect counter to Neji is moot. The scan you linked me is not impressive. Kidomaru was stuck to the tree as the web from his mouth was attached to the tree that he had just fired at. Neji didn't evade or react to anything in that scan as fast as Kaguya's chakra arms.

I see so you're now using the fact Neji was tired but this happened when the War Arc first began. Sakura was also tired when fighting Sasori so your point is moot (

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Now that you bring up Neji's stamina, I'll use it against you. Sakura has enough chakra to heal thousands of shinobi as well as open the portal to Kaguya's dimensions multiple times. She can keep Neji at bay by punching the ground or simply running away from him and once he tires, Sakura finishes him off.

You ignored approximately 50% of my post so I don't expect any valid counters from you.

 

[Draegod]

The point is that the jounin were well above part one Neji when it comes to speed which you agreed with. Unless you think Sakura is slower than the likes of Kurenai, Genma and Raidou, she too is well above part one Neji when it comes to speed. My point is that if an arrow or web is coming in the way of Genma and Raidou, they will obviously be fast enough to dodge it unless you think Kishi is willing to one panel Genma and Raidou by Kidomaru alone when even the likes of Neji were able to react and almost dodge those attacks. Yes gated Lee possessed the key to beating Neji which is the power his blows have when he uses gates.

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which means that being extremely fast isn't the only way to overpower Neji. Sakura may not be as fast as Lee but the vastly superior force her punches possess compensates for that.

Neji's abilities also clashed perfectly against Kidomaru so your point about Kidomaru being a perfect counter to Neji is moot. The scan you linked me is not impressive. Kidomaru was stuck to the tree as the web from his mouth was attached to the tree that he had just fired at. Neji didn't evade or react to anything in that scan as fast as Kaguya's chakra arms.

I see so you're now using the fact Neji was tired but this happened when the War Arc first began. Sakura was also tired when fighting Sasori so your point is moot (

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Now that you bring up Neji's stamina, I'll use it against you. Sakura has enough chakra to heal thousands of shinobi as well as open the portal to Kaguya's dimensions multiple times. She can keep Neji at bay by punching the ground or simply running away from him and once he tires, Sakura finishes him off.

You ignored approximately 50% of my post so I don't expect any valid counters from you.

I'm at work so I can't go in at the moment. But one key thing I want to point out; you seen the joinin fight the sound 4? Can I get a link of that fight that was nothing but a foot race or speed battle? Since you clearly say since they won they were faster??? Lol And while your at it can you show me all of there speed feats since you seen them fight off panel? Kurenai aswell please! Since you literally have nothing to go off of but your own opinion of what they are capable of (Kishi has never shown them go all out nor all there attributes btw) I want to know where you are getting your info from?

Hype is nothing with no feats behind it, plus you add the fact none of the ninja listed can do what neji/Sakura can and vice versa, why bring up what they did to the sound 4 when 1. You don't know a thing 2. They and Sakura can not replicate anything neji related 3. You are using nothing but baseless claims with no logic behind it but rank. If you wanna use rank, joinin >>>chunin Sakura. I'll go in later on the other stuff you posted when I'm off.

 

[Icelerate]

I'm at work so I can't go in at the moment. But one key thing I want to point out; you seen the joinin fight the sound 4? Can I get a link of that fight that was nothing but a foot race or speed battle? Since you clearly say since they won they were faster??? Lol And while your at it can you show me all of there speed feats since you seen them fight off panel? Kurenai aswell please! Since you literally have nothing to go off of but your own opinion of what they are capable of (Kishi has never shown them go all out nor all there attributes btw) I want to know where you are getting your info from?

Hype is nothing with no feats behind it, plus you add the fact none of the ninja listed can do what neji/Sakura can and vice versa, why bring up what they did to the sound 4 when 1. You don't know a thing 2. They and Sakura can not replicate anything neji related 3. You are using nothing but baseless claims with no logic behind it but rank. If you wanna use rank, joinin >>>chunin Sakura. I'll go in later on the other stuff you posted when I'm off.

I showed you a ton of feats so your point is moot. I didn't use ranks, I used power levels and beginning of Shippuden Sakura was a chuunin, with the Yin seal, she is far above that level. Hype is still a valid argument whether you like it or not. Hagoromo has no speed feats but we know for a fact that this guy is much faster than Minato who has tons of speed feats. If we don't have feats to go off of, we go by rank, these guys were ordinary jounin level.

We saw that Kurenai is fast enough to react to a blitz from Itachi by blocking it with her arms but that also shows that she is far inferior to Itachi when it comes to speed but still fast enough to react. Likewise, Sakura reacted to speeds much faster than Itachi so she reacts better than Kurenai does. The info I'm going off of is in the manga, go read it.

 

[neosmith500]

As stated by tsunade medic nins should always be the last ones to die in battle logically to heal teamates which means to logically sustain chakra to do so while neji was the CQC faction and its a fact that sakura's CES works by blasting a focused amount of chakra at the point of impact which byakugan can anticipate while rotation turns it back at her, as seen when neji intercepted the high speed juubi spikes which war sakura herself failed to do..and another thing,how do you kno chunin sakura is faster than kurenai,genma and raidou?..2 of which were bodyguards of the fasted ninja alive which means they were expected to have a decent level of speed to go with there status/rank?..how do you kno sakura is faster than any of the jonin that stopped neji from killing hinata?..

 

[neosmith500]

BTW Gai said the secret to beating neji is in this "High Speed Combo" which cant be touched,get your facts right as lee was already proven to be much stronger than neji and as such needed the speed

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Sakura has never proven to be faster than p1 unweighed lee,not even with her small double jump against the chakra arm as the full distance traveled was blatantly shown in the scan while p1 lee vanishes from sight

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neji could react to that as a kid who trained himself which means a fresh TS Neji is gonna react to sakura's small double jump as the same sakura could not react to juubi spikes while neji reacted with rotation and even intercepted the spikes to save his friends same as kakashi saved sakura..taking that into account along with how fast neji can pull off 64 palms as a genin

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the fact neji has 4.5 in speed,i can safely say this is no mid diff..ignorance

 

[Dannie]

Even if Sakura would be a Jinchuuriki people would still say Neji wins.

If Sakura was a Jinchuriki then she probably wouldn't suck as much as she does now.

 

[RedRobin]

As stated by tsunade medic nins should always be the last ones to die in battle logically to heal teamates which means to logically sustain chakra to do so while neji was the CQC faction and its a fact that sakura's CES works by blasting a focused amount of chakra at the point of impact which byakugan can anticipate while rotation turns it back at her, as seen when neji intercepted the high speed juubi spikes which war sakura herself failed to do..and another thing,how do you kno chunin sakura is faster than kurenai,genma and raidou?..2 of which were bodyguards of the fasted ninja alive which means they were expected to have a decent level of speed to go with there status/rank?..how do you kno sakura is faster than any of the jonin that stopped neji from killing hinata?..

No one wants to read walls of text.

 

[Dannie]

No one wants to read walls of text.

His is baby cakes compared to Ice.

 

[RedRobin]

His is baby cakes compared to Ice.

Ice has very organized walls of text with links which are easy to read.

 

[neosmith500]

Quote:She can keep Neji at bay by punching the ground or simply running away from him and once he tires, Sakura finishes him off"
Punching the ground will be anticipated and evaded while depending on the AOE damage can be used to creat blindspots for sakura same as the juublings did, while rotation handles her standard pushes and leaves her open for counter attack and if she tries to run away as you said,air palm will be used to unbalance her while using his 4.5 in speed to target the interval..you think sakura would win so simple is disrespectful to neji/lee and guy and shows your ignorance

 

[Icelerate]

As stated by tsunade medic nins should always be the last ones to die in battle logically to heal teamates which means to logically sustain chakra to do so while neji was the CQC faction and its a fact that sakura's CES works by blasting a focused amount of chakra at the point of impact which byakugan can anticipate while rotation turns it back at her, as seen when neji intercepted the high speed juubi spikes which war sakura herself failed to do..and another thing,how do you kno chunin sakura is faster than kurenai,genma and raidou?..2 of which were bodyguards of the fasted ninja alive which means they were expected to have a decent level of speed to go with there status/rank?..how do you kno sakura is faster than any of the jonin that stopped neji from killing hinata?..

Healing others requires a large amount of chakra so Sakura has far more chakra than Neji who ran out during the very beginning of the War Arc much to your admission. Rotation can't be sustained indefinitely so Sakura waits it out and then attacks. Neji has to reach a certain rotational speed in order to effectively turn back the attack or else he takes damage as shown during his fight with Naruto (

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). This punch is far inferior to Sakura's.

Neji had the correct tools to intercept the spikes such as vacuum palm to repel them. Sakura had no such luxury.

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whereas Sasuke and Itachi

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. Does this mean part one Temari is faster than EMS Sasuke and Edo Itachi? Obviously not, it just means she had the correct tools to nullify the sound. Furthermore that is Sakura before getting the Yin seal. Before getting the yin seal, her speed is below part one Neji, Genma, Raido and Kurenai.

Sakura is faster than Kurenai based on her

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whereas Sakura reacted to Kaguya who is much faster than Itachi.

BTW Gai said the secret to beating neji is in this "High Speed Combo" which cant be touched,get your facts right as lee was already proven to be much stronger than neji and as such needed the speed

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Sakura has never proven to be faster than p1 unweighed lee,not even with her small double jump against the chakra arm as the full distance traveled was blatantly shown in the scan while p1 lee vanishes from sight

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neji could react to that as a kid who trained himself which means a fresh TS Neji is gonna react to sakura's small double jump as the same sakura could not react to juubi spikes while neji reacted with rotation and even intercepted the spikes to save his friends same as kakashi saved sakura..taking that into account along with how fast neji can pull off 64 palms as a genin

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I can safely say that this would never be a mid diff win for sakura or even a win.

Gai's statement doesn't imply that speed is the only way to defeat Neji. It just means that Lee's counter to Neji is his high speed combo. Speed isn't just distance. As a matter of fact, Speed = distance/time, sure that scan of yours shows Lee covering more distance but that doesn't prove he is faster. Him out speeding Gaara's sand doesn't prove he is faster than Sakura because Sakura being able to cover even a small distance before having to get saved by something so fast far transcends this low tier feat you posted. Lee being a blur for the reader back when ninjas were much slower doesn't support your argument. If that is your argument, then Haku is faster than the 3rd Raikage and KCM Naruto as the reader

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. I already told you that Yin seal Sakura is much faster than pre Yin seal Sakura and used feats to show that my claims are true in my first post.

Quote:She can keep Neji at bay by punching the ground or simply running away from him and once he tires, Sakura finishes him off"
Punching the ground will be anticipated and evaded while depending on the AOE damage can be used to creat blindspots for sakura same as the juublings did, while rotation handles her standard pushes and leaves her open for counter attack and if she tries to run away as you said,air palm will be used to unbalance her while using his 4.5 in speed to target the interval..you think sakura would win so simple is disrespectful to neji/lee and guy and shows your ignorance

If he anticipates and dodges, it means he shunshins far away from Sakura or jumps extremely high so Sakura is safe from the incoming blitz. The dust and smoke will settle down by that time.

 

[neosmith500]

So you use a P1 neji who was clearly listening to naruto's speech along with the fact that naruto's whole body was full of Kurama chakra as was shown by neji's byakugan which is>>>CES chakra by far,which works buy activating a focused burst of normal chakra in the hands/feet at point of impact to say Ts neji would not blast back sakura's standard chakra?,but would wast rotation while hiding in his rotation from sakura who would then outlast him??.you can also see that naruto never connected with his punch to the rotation right? and at that point was kurama chakra VS neji's chakra right?..which neji also blew away?,which is>>>sakura's small impact orientated focused chakra to the hands or feet right?..Also neji had the tools and the reaction to handle the spikes while sakura had ntn because if he could intercept the spikes it obviously means he can evade them,unlike sakura..and you really want to prove sakura.>lee in speed?

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get ur scans ready

 

[Icelerate]

So you use a P1 neji who was clearly listening to naruto's speech along with the fact that naruto's whole body was full of Kurama chakra as was shown by neji's byakugan which is>>>CES chakra by far,which works buy activating a focused burst of normal chakra in the hands/feet at point of impact to say to Ts neji would not blast back sakura's standard chakra?,but would wast rotation while hiding in his rotation from sakura who would then outlast him??..you can also see that naruto never connected with his punch to the rotation right? and what that point was kurama chakra VS neji's chakra right?..which neji also blew away?,which is>>>sakura's small impact orientated focused chakra to the hands or feet right?...Also neji had the tools and the reaction to handle the spikes while sakura had ntn because if he could intercept the spikes it obviously means he can evade them,unlike sakura..

Sakura's punch is far greater than Naruto's. Him having Kurama chakra doesn't make it stronger than Sakura's when Sakura's dwarved human sized Juubi fodder (

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) whereas the impact of Naruto's punch is hundred times inferior. Anyway Sakura can punch the ground while Neji is rotating, throwing him off balance and then finish him off. Like I said Yin seal Sakura>>>>>non yin seal Sakura. Non yin seal Sakura is slower than Neji by a long shot, I agree. Reacting to something doesn't mean you can evade something. Blocking something is much easier than evading something. Ever played dodgeball?

 

[neosmith500]

Sakura's punch is far greater than Naruto's. Him having Kurama chakra doesn't make it stronger than Sakura's when Sakura's dwarved human sized Juubi fodder (

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) whereas the impact of Naruto's punch is hundred times inferior. Anyway Sakura can punch the ground while Neji is rotating, throwing him off balance and then finish him off. Like I said Yin seal Sakura>>>>>non yin seal Sakura. Non yin seal Sakura is slower than Neji by a long shot, I agree. Reacting to something doesn't mean you can evade something. Blocking something is much easier than evading something. Ever played dodgeball?

Again check ur facts,there was no punch shown in that scan

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as all u see is neji's chakra vs kurama chakra which u are saying sakura has better and stronger chakra than the strongest demon..CES=focused burst of normal chakra at impact>>constant wall of kurama chakra bro???

 

[Icelerate]

Again check ur facts,there was no punch shown in that scan as all u is is neji's chakra vs kurama chakra which u are saying sakura has better and stronger chakra than the strongest demon..CES=focused burst of normal chakra at impact>>constant wall of kurama chakra bro???

Did you even read the thread I posted? I don't think you even clicked on it or else you wouldn't be talking about a scan. Naruto didn't use the full power and chakra of Kurama so once again terrible argument.

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[neosmith500]

Why is it so hard for you to understand kaiten blasts back the chakra of the opponent

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a full rotation will blast back her normal chakra which you are saying is>kurama chakra...plus CES is a technique which focuses burst of normal chakra at point of impact,which causes massive AOE,it has ntn to do with the power of the chakra but more so the chakra control of user,which means it will blast back sakura's small burst of chakra...You can never compair kurama cloak to sakura's small focused chakra burst

 

[Icelerate]

Why is it so hard for you to understand kaiten blasts back the chakra of the opponent

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a full rotation will blast back her normal chakra which you are saying is>kurama chakra...plus CES is a technique which focuses burst of normal chakra at point of impact,which causes massive AOE,it has ntn to do with the power of the chakra but more so the chakra control of user,which means it will blast back sakura's small burst of chakra...You can never compair kurama cloak to sakura's small focused chakra burst

Sakura's punch is a lot more powerful and I've already countered rotation previously. She either waits until he stops rotating or punches the ground messing up his balance. Neji spins pretty fast and with a sudden jerk beneath his feat, he is bound to trip. If he anticipates Sakura punching the ground, he'll end up stopping his rotation unless he wants to trip giving Sakura the opening. Not to mention rotation being able to blast chakra doesn't mean it will always do so no matter the force.

 

[neosmith500]

In case u think that sakura has super human strength she does not,Again CES is a focused burst of standard chaka which rotation will blast back in sakura's face as its a focused burst of chakra in the hands/feet..and neji does not and will not use rotation for no reason and can also use air rotation as u blatantly fail to consider BTW u are saying that sakura's small burst of chakra is stronger than the strongest demon which makes ur point moot..its not as if sakura focuses all her chakra into her punches/kicks but just small burst which u are saying is>>>kurama chakra which got blasted lol ur points are void and full of ignorance as you think neji is a idiot who will waste rotation an die.

 

[Shitenshin no jutsu]

In case u think that sakura has super human strength she does not,Again CES is a focused burst of standard chaka which rotation will blast back in sakura's face as its a focused burst of chakra in the hands/feet..and neji does not and will not use rotation for no reason and can also use air rotation as u blatantly fail to consider BTW u are saying that sakura's small burst of chakra is stronger than the strongest demon which makes ur point moot..its not as if sakura focuses all her chakra into her punches/kicks but just small burst which u are saying is>>>kurama chakra which got blasted lol ur points are void and full of ignorance as you think neji is a idiot who will waste rotation an die.

Sakura could just pour more Chakra into her fists to overpower Neji. Her reserves are so much higher than his... that's what Ice is trying to say.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Neji destroys. Sorry Sakura fans, this is one Hyuga you simply can't argue against. When last seen, Neji had a 4.5 in speed. That puts him on Sasuke and Kakashi's level. Do you think Sakura could keep up with them? He's also way way more skilled and Sakura, and the usage of palms rotation and air palm would prevent that awful slam ground argument that Sakura fans use. Neji keep wailing on Sakura until her seal runs out (and healing depletes it quickly in some circumstances. Ask Tsunade after fighting Madara)