Hyuuga clan Gentle Fist underrated

[Honord Sage]

Gentile Fist an art no Sharigan can steal or copy.

 

[-immortal-]

Hyuugas are fodder. Vert sad kishi didn' take the opertunitie to make every power a cool one

 

[KCMNaruto]

Soo true
I agree

thank you !

Well it's debatable but logically if we go by standards the Hyuga can repeatedly strike and thrust enough to destroy susanoo because from what we know, Hyuga can precise their chakra control in not just the whole body but also in specific area of their tenketsu is enough to destroy when pinpointing the area just like Hinata emit everything in her palm performing Lion fist.

Uchiha have special prowess and strong chakra but they don't have good precision, which is why Hyuga can easily disrupt the chakra as they were always designed to do.


You see Hyuga are able to even expel chakra from all 361 tenketsu covering the space within the field of vision surrounding the user which the purpose is to detect or allowing them to fully utilize chakra is enough proof that they have great enormous in chakra control.

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Uchiha's r most adept with genjutsu that requires precision in chakra. Here Jiraiya Says "If you use more power" this seems to indicate that, the better you are at controlling your chakra, the easier it will be to break or dispel genjutsu, which explains why Sakura was considered a genjutsu type, as casting genjutsu and dispelling it both require great control of chakra.

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What exactly does it take for one to break out of genjutsu? Controlling their chakra in a proper way, and as we know, no one is capable of controlling their chakra better than the Hyuga and sakura comes the closest, so much so that they are able to release chakra from all of their chakra points.

So any genjutsu that hyuga can be caught can be easily breakout my molding their chakra in their body to dispel it, the only genjutsu that can't be break is Tsukoymi, and the only person to do that is Itachi, and Shuishi.

Well the genjutsu was not point of my post so idk why did you bring it here, unless I forgot what I brought then sorry.

Of course I agree with everything you said. The scan with Neji emitting constantly such great amount of chakra around himself and considering that Hyuuga has perfect chakra control make me come to conclusion that he would focus all that chakra and expel from hand for examples making chakra much more thicker especially if he forces it to some kind of shape.

Really great post , I believe Hyuuga could destroy Sussano or rather make it break itself due to damage to chakra flow. However I believe it would be hard to do as Uchiha can reform Susano and evolve it in no time it seems. Also PS and final Sussano would be out of question.

Nah, perfectly know how the Gentle fist works..

People without an armor can easily smash it.. Someone like Hashirama/Madara/Tobirama/Tsunade/Sakura/Hiruzen/Naruto/Sasuke and so on will easily smash Neji in taijutsu, without any armor.

What is underrated is the chakra control of Sakura and tsunade.

Wrong, you are ignorant. Of course Mentioned people by you expect Sakura, unless she uses Byakugou Seal could do it because they are faster(Naruto, Sasuke, Tobirama, Minato,Madara,Hashirama , Hiruzen) then Hyuuga memebers, has method to keep distance(most of them), to restrain them with Ninjutsu (look Hashirama's wood release), can wipe out great AOE attack(look Madara, Naruto, hashirama etc.).

make Hyuuga just as fast as enemy as Gentle fist turns really deadly or just restrain characters to only taijutsu and Hyuuga comes supperior after just one strike, unless someone with great physical strength or speed take them out first.

Hyuugas are fodder. Vert sad kishi didn' take the opertunitie to make every power a cool one

^^ so true ;/

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

thank you !

Well the genjutsu was not point of my post so idk why did you bring it here, unless I forgot what I brought then sorry.

Of course I agree with everything you said. The scan with Neji emitting constantly such great amount of chakra around himself and considering that Hyuuga has perfect chakra control make me come to conclusion that he would focus all that chakra and expel from hand for examples making chakra much more thicker especially if he forces it to some kind of shape.

Really great post , I believe Hyuuga could destroy Sussano or rather make it break itself due to damage to chakra flow. However I believe it would be hard to do as Uchiha can reform Susano and evolve it in no time it seems. Also PS and final Sussano would be out of question.

I brought up genjutsu because it require enormous chakra control which most shinobi can't break genjutsu especially coming from the Uchiha genjutsu are too strong, and only few can break such as Hyuga, sakura, Jiinchiruke, etc that's why I'm using this as an example which is a possibility to break susanoo at this stage.

 

[Gintõki1]

Hyuuga's fist too much.

 

[KingHashirama]

Wrong, you are ignorant. Of course Mentioned people by you expect Sakura, unless she uses Byakugou Seal could do it because they are faster(Naruto, Sasuke, Tobirama, Minato,Madara,Hashirama , Hiruzen) then Hyuuga memebers, has method to keep distance(most of them), to restrain them with Ninjutsu (look Hashirama's wood release), can wipe out great AOE attack(look Madara, Naruto, hashirama etc.).

I said taijutsu.....

And hyuuga really can't do much about sakura or tsunade's type of taijutsu.. except keep their distance.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

I said taijutsu.....

And hyuuga really can't do much about sakura or tsunade's type of taijutsu.. except keep their distance.

Tsunade and Sakura are in very bad match up against the Hyuga strongest taijutsu Specialist.

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Hyuga can instantly one hit KO using gentle fist, Tsunade and or Sakura would be crippled and can't use chakra to heal their internal damaged organ as they will render useless. However Byakogu seal is a temporary chakra storage and this would be the only thing that keeps them active allowing to break the fundamental effect just like Kyuubi and even then that won't change anything because the Hyuga can easily repeatedly strike once more using Jyuuken and they're completely incapacitated.

The reason why they can't match the gentle fist user is because Hyuga are ridiculously fast upon focus on their Eight Trigrams, which are theoretical ranges in which their reaction speed and focus abilities are greatest. (There's no touching a Hyuga Member inside the Trigrams who activates some sort of Gentle Fist technique. It's made obvious by how their movements appear to fade, or, in the manga, how it's seen that(specifically) Neji's strikes are so quick they appear simultaneous.)

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They have the Byakugan, and therefore have nearly 360 vision, telescopic vision, long-range vision, chakra sensory capabilities, vast focus abilities (being the only ones in the entire series who are able to see or even look into chakra points.)

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In other word, Tsunade/ Sakura punch are soo slow when thrashing their arm simply put, their Taijutsu can never match up the speed of Gentlefist Art and would never hit the hyuga. Byakugan which grants it's user the ability to read and detect it's surroundings much faster as Tsunade can instantly lose in combat.

 

[KingHashirama]

Tsunade and Sakura are in very bad match up against the Hyuga strongest taijutsu Specialist.

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Hyuga can instantly one hit KO using gentle fist, Tsunade and or Sakura would be crippled and can't use chakra to heal their internal damaged organ as they will render useless. However Byakogu seal is a temporary chakra storage and this would be the only thing that keeps them active allowing to break the fundamental effect just like Kyuubi and even then that won't change anything because the Hyuga can easily repeatedly strike once more using Jyuuken and they're completely incapacitated.

The reason why they can't match the gentle fist user is because Hyuga are ridiculously fast upon focus on their Eight Trigrams, which are theoretical ranges in which their reaction speed and focus abilities are greatest. (There's no touching a Hyuga Member inside the Trigrams who activates some sort of Gentle Fist technique. It's made obvious by how their movements appear to fade, or, in the manga, how it's seen that(specifically) Neji's strikes are so quick they appear simultaneous.)

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They have the Byakugan, and therefore have nearly 360 vision, telescopic vision, long-range vision, chakra sensory capabilities, vast focus abilities (being the only ones in the entire series who are able to see or even look into chakra points.)

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In other word, Tsunade/ Sakura punch are soo slow when thrashing their arm simply put, their Taijutsu can never match up the speed of Gentlefist Art and would never hit the hyuga. Byakugan which grants it's user the ability to read and detect it's surroundings much faster as Tsunade can instantly lose in combat.

Thats a cute joke. Whats more funny is that alot of the post you posted is quite irrelevant.

1. In a close range Neji and other hyuugas are dead..

And dude are you telling me this right now:

Neji's 5 leaps = Sakura's 1 leap.... yet Neji is superior? .

64 of Neji's punches = 1 Of Sakura's ... yet neji is superior?...


And asfor this overhyped and overrated BS excuse you people make regarding Tsunade and Sakura as to "ohhh they are slow".. since when? Tsunade punched the shit out of orochimaru who was standing right in front of her while she was laying down.. and he didn't even ahve time to react. Any hyuuga got a feat like that?
Tsunade and Sakura are then speciallized in evasive taijutsu. meaning dodge dodge then attack. However, they can also tank.
Overwhelming strength of a punch > Fast striking speed against that punch.

There is NOTHING that is stopping Sakura from simply grabbing Neji's arms and then punching him.. NOTHING.

Hence why is stated, chakra control is the thing that is underrated, because people don't want to spend time understand all the things it can do. But would rather use techniques that have "names".

 

[KisuneUchiha]

I wasn't offensive, you are wayyyyyyyyy too sensitive if you thought so.lol

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No! There is nothing Like his armor unless specifically stated in the manga! It literally is designed to block all chakra substance! Susanoo and literally everything you listed is just a type of def designed to protect the User, but can and has already been shown to be damaged by physical and chakra substance!. Big difference I want you to understand so the slow users on the site isn't misinformed thinking any def is guaranteed.

Lel I say that kidomaru having that armor is an asspull, like the leader of Akatsuki having Rinnegan or being Pein in general

 

[Chie]

i agree but only if the user is Neji or Hiashi

Pretty much this. Those Hyuuga were the only major threats we've seen from this clan for the entirety of the series. Kishimoto really didn't care to elaborate on the Hyuuga. Lol

 

[KingHashirama]

Pretty much this. Those Hyuuga were the only major threats we've seen from this clan for the entirety of the series. Kishimoto really didn't care to elaborate on the Hyuuga. Lol

not like he elborated on Uchiha/uzumaki /senju either ;p

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Thats a cute joke. Whats more funny is that alot of the post you posted is quite irrelevant.

1. In a close range Neji and other hyuugas are dead..

And dude are you telling me this right now:

Neji's 5 leaps = Sakura's 1 leap.... yet Neji is superior? .

64 of Neji's punches = 1 Of Sakura's ... yet neji is superior?...


And asfor this overhyped and overrated BS excuse you people make regarding Tsunade and Sakura as to "ohhh they are slow".. since when? Tsunade punched the shit out of orochimaru who was standing right in front of her while she was laying down.. and he didn't even ahve time to react. Any hyuuga got a feat like that?
Tsunade and Sakura are then speciallized in evasive taijutsu. meaning dodge dodge then attack. However, they can also tank.
Overwhelming strength of a punch > Fast striking speed against that punch.

There is NOTHING that is stopping Sakura from simply grabbing Neji's arms and then punching him.. NOTHING.

Sorry to break your heart, but you're completely wrong. None of what I said are irrelevant when I'm following the principle of the manga facts, all this hard evidences I've brought up debunk your argument. You're the one who's completely being Nonlogic since nothing you said was established and hardly any evidence to support your claim, so in other word you're just being fanfic troll.

1. No, you're completely underestimating the Hyuga in close combat they can anticipated any attack As I previously explained briefly, the byakugan are trained to be aware of the surrounding and they're pretty much preoccupy thanks to their 500m + vision, and their 359 degree, there's no way Tsunade would able to land a hit, especially if Tsunade is in within the field of trigram, she would easily be countered by this enormous radius field Heavenly Rotation.

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Tsunade or Sakura will have hard time approaching to deal with the enemy. Hyuga can asses almost every situation and manipulate their chakra to their advantage, while tsunade and sakura will loses the paces of their combat whenever they try to attempt to attack within the the field of trigram, it was shown that Neji can easily read their movement and pinpoint from every attack direction can be countered by Gentlefist.

This demonstrates his attack speed. He has the ability to launch 64 consecutive attacks with millisecond intervals. You can't be evasive from every palm attack...

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Chapter 196: Pages 2-3: This demonstrates his reaction speed. He was able to react to a transonic arrow.

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Chapter 197: Pages 5-6: This demonstrates his movement speed. Neji was able to cover that distance before Kidomaru even hit the ground.

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Yes. Thats the question. How fast is Neji?

Fast enough to hit Tsunade before she hits him.

Neji was able to react to a transonic arrow twice. So, unless Tsunade has transonic+ attack speeds, she is not hitting Neji. What you're trying to say about Tsunade punching Orochimaru is not a speed feat wise which isn't enough proof to vcover your assertion, you're being too over analitical as I;m pretty sure it's a plot, Orochimaru is standing really close when he dropped his guard down so in other word, you are just comparing using as an escape goat.

Nope, tsunade and Sakura can't tank all the gentlefist when the manga clearly stated that Jyuuken can instantly crippled and cannot heal their damage organ without chakras which their tenketsu is closed.

You're being buttass cheek with bringing your non logic to the table, what you're attempting to do is to bringing up 5 heap = 1 equation nonesense to make any assertions without backing up, you made yourself look more idiot, pulling every statement out of you ass when you sound like you're just stringing random words together. You're the one posting irrelevant.

 

[KCMNaruto]

I brought up genjutsu because it require enormous chakra control which most shinobi can't break genjutsu especially coming from the Uchiha genjutsu are too strong, and only few can break such as Hyuga, sakura, Jiinchiruke, etc that's why I'm using this as an example which is a possibility to break susanoo at this stage.

fair enough. I get it.

Thank you

Hyuuga's fist too much.

Preach buddy

I said taijutsu.....

And hyuuga really can't do much about sakura or tsunade's type of taijutsu.. except keep their distance.

Well when it comes to Taijutsu both could be deadly. One can destroy your internal organs even although at outside your body would look the same while another one can break your body into pieces.

Hyuuga has only advantage of faster strikes when they Eight trigrams: 64 fists or something like that, only then their attack would be faster and nigh impossible for Tsunade or Sakura to avoid.

Tsunade and Sakura are in very bad match up against the Hyuga strongest taijutsu Specialist.

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Hyuga can instantly one hit KO using gentle fist, Tsunade and or Sakura would be crippled and can't use chakra to heal their internal damaged organ as they will render useless. However Byakogu seal is a temporary chakra storage and this would be the only thing that keeps them active allowing to break the fundamental effect just like Kyuubi and even then that won't change anything because the Hyuga can easily repeatedly strike once more using Jyuuken and they're completely incapacitated.

The reason why they can't match the gentle fist user is because Hyuga are ridiculously fast upon focus on their Eight Trigrams, which are theoretical ranges in which their reaction speed and focus abilities are greatest. (There's no touching a Hyuga Member inside the Trigrams who activates some sort of Gentle Fist technique. It's made obvious by how their movements appear to fade, or, in the manga, how it's seen that(specifically) Neji's strikes are so quick they appear simultaneous.)

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They have the Byakugan, and therefore have nearly 360 vision, telescopic vision, long-range vision, chakra sensory capabilities, vast focus abilities (being the only ones in the entire series who are able to see or even look into chakra points.)

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In other word, Tsunade/ Sakura punch are soo slow when thrashing their arm simply put, their Taijutsu can never match up the speed of Gentlefist Art and would never hit the hyuga. Byakugan which grants it's user the ability to read and detect it's surroundings much faster as Tsunade can instantly lose in combat.

Well that was really a lot of comprehensive content.

Reall well done. Although I don't agree with all your points.

I mean They have same chance in Taijutsu although they deliver damage in other ways. Also only fast strikes of eight trigrams technique make Hyuuga supperior and much more lethal. Still Sakura or Tsunade can punch or kick ground so hard that it would kill Hyuuga and their's attack has great AOE no doubt.

Also they could throw rocks to keep distance lol.

Pretty much this. Those Hyuuga were the only major threats we've seen from this clan for the entirety of the series. Kishimoto really didn't care to elaborate on the Hyuuga. Lol

Truth ;(

not like he elborated on Uchiha/uzumaki /senju either ;p

Good point. I would say Kishi wasted a lot of potential.

Sorry to break your heart, but you're completely wrong. None of what I said are irrelevant when I'm following the principle of the manga facts, all this hard evidences I've brought up debunk your argument. You're the one who's completely being Nonlogic since nothing you said was established and hardly any evidence to support your claim, so in other word you're just being fanfic troll.

1. No, you're completely underestimating the Hyuga in close combat they can anticipated any attack As I previously explained briefly, the byakugan are trained to be aware of the surrounding and they're pretty much preoccupy thanks to their 500m + vision, and their 359 degree, there's no way Tsunade would able to land a hit, especially if Tsunade is in within the field of trigram, she would easily be countered by this enormous radius field Heavenly Rotation.

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Tsunade or Sakura will have hard time approaching to deal with the enemy. Hyuga can asses almost every situation and manipulate their chakra to their advantage, while tsunade and sakura will loses the paces of their combat whenever they try to attempt to attack within the the field of trigram, it was shown that Neji can easily read their movement and pinpoint from every attack direction can be countered by Gentlefist.

This demonstrates his attack speed. He has the ability to launch 64 consecutive attacks with millisecond intervals. You can't be evasive from every palm attack...

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Chapter 196: Pages 2-3: This demonstrates his reaction speed. He was able to react to a transonic arrow.

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Chapter 197: Pages 5-6: This demonstrates his movement speed. Neji was able to cover that distance before Kidomaru even hit the ground.

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Yes. Thats the question. How fast is Neji?

Fast enough to hit Tsunade before she hits him.

Neji was able to react to a transonic arrow twice. So, unless Tsunade has transonic+ attack speeds, she is not hitting Neji. What you're trying to say about Tsunade punching Orochimaru is not a speed feat wise which isn't enough proof to vcover your assertion, you're being too over analitical as I;m pretty sure it's a plot, Orochimaru is standing really close when he dropped his guard down so in other word, you are just comparing using as an escape goat.

Nope, tsunade and Sakura can't tank all the gentlefist when the manga clearly stated that Jyuuken can instantly crippled and cannot heal their damage organ without chakras which their tenketsu is closed.

You're being buttass cheek with bringing your non logic to the table, what you're attempting to do is to bringing up 5 heap = 1 equation nonesense to make any assertions without backing up, you made yourself look more idiot, pulling every statement out of you ass when you sound like you're just stringing random words together. You're the one posting irrelevant.

Wow, you really put a lot of effort into this, too bad I can not rep you.

Anyway as I stated:

They have same chance in Taijutsu although they deliver damage in other ways. Also only fast strikes of eight trigrams technique make Hyuuga supperior and much more lethal. Still Sakura or Tsunade can punch or kick ground so hard that it would kill Hyuuga and their's attack has great AOE no doubt.

Also they could throw rocks to keep distance lol.

Basically they could be around same speed, which makes them equally dangerous and lethal. Normal Hyuuga strikes are not so impressive but once they use 32 or 64 fists it would take at least v1 Raikage reaction time to dodge it, at least what I think.

Close range: Tie with Hyuuga being more dangerous/lethal due to 32 or 64 strikes technique
Medium range: Sakura or Tsunade would be better chance to take this. Hyuuga only hope would be air palm or air palm wall.
Long range: neither can attack on such distance.

 

[Michael]

Incorrect but nice try! Armor means nothing especially chakra armor! the reason why Kido Survived was because he had CHAKRA BLOCKING ARMOR! No ninja in the manga besides Kabuto has that typr of Armor. So no Susanoo and other armors are vulnerable to gentle fist just like everything else.

I agree, Kaguya already proved this against sasuke's PS.

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[KGB Kakuzu]

First off, only the main branch were taught rotation. Neji is the only exception to that rule according to his uncle.

Also, the 64 palm technique has only been used successfully once, and that was against naruto. You know what happened to naruto? He got up two panels later. So yea, when it actually manages to contact with anyone who's not a 12 year old, let me know.

Until then do note that Neji got roflstomped by a 30% Kisame clone

You mean the 64 Palm used by a 15 year old Neji and who free balled his learning of it. That ultimately still worked only being broken by the strongest Tailed beast blasting it's power.

Later on we see Hinata can use it against a Juubi clone that shouldn't even posses a normal chakra network and it was crippled and struggling to so much as move.

 

[KCMNaruto]

I agree, Kaguya already proved this against sasuke's PS.

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^^ True

You mean the 64 Palm used by a 15 year old Neji and who free balled his learning of it. That ultimately still worked only being broken by the strongest Tailed beast blasting it's power.

Later on we see Hinata can use it against a Juubi clone that shouldn't even posses a normal chakra network and it was crippled and struggling to so much as move.

Exactly Hyuuga should not be understimated

 

[Ansatsuken]

i agree but only if the user is Neji or Hiashi

And Hamura

 

[Icelerate]

All chakra blocks chakra and for gentle fist to overpower chakra, it has to be stronger than the chakra it is trying to overpower.

 

[KCMNaruto]

And Hamura

True

All chakra blocks chakra and for gentle fist to overpower chakra, it has to be stronger than the chakra it is trying to overpower.

Exactly