Hashirama (the one at VOTE) vs Nagato ( "prime" the fanfiction one)

[KingHashirama]

I just find Sand vs Wood a good match-up imo. But yeah I see Gaara doing way better than Nagato in this Match-up. Gaara's more versatile.

big time. Plus he has more prowess than Nagato as a perfect Jinchuriki.


Well it would be a good match up sand vs wood. If the wood wasn't a "bijuu killer". Plus the dude has experience with dealing with bijuus and seals and etc. Expereince plays a vital role.

However, if it were a grown up Gaara perfect Jinchuriki.. that'd be a fight i would love to see.

 

[V h o]

What is "prime fanfiction Nagato"? Mobile Nagoto?

Either way best way Nagato wins, is to restrict wood release...

 

[Strict]

Nagato's version of the Gedo Mazo was the one which used the soul dragon at the cost of Nagato's health.
Only those with Uchiha and Senju DNA are said to be able to fully control the Mazo.

Even a Gedo Mazo with 7 beasts inside is childsplay for Hashirama. Hashirama pinned down the Juubi; Gedo Mazo is just a piece of that. He pins Gedo Mazo down and drains its Chakra with Mokuton. Gedo Mazo can't do anything.

 

[Benjamin King]

Also, An Awesome Senju, Hashirama can't use any of his large-scale techniques while restraining Gedo Mazou, which leaves him vulnerable.

 

[DrProof]

big time. Plus he has more prowess than Nagato as a perfect Jinchuriki.


Well it would be a good match up sand vs wood. If the wood wasn't a "bijuu killer". Plus the dude has experience with dealing with bijuus and seals and etc. Expereince plays a vital role.

However, if it were a grown up Gaara perfect Jinchuriki.. that'd be a fight i would love to see.

Mokuton passively absorbs chakra correct? It was shown through Gokage vs Madara that when Madara tried to use Preta Path, Gaara's Sand's Chakra wasn't absorbed debunking all Absorb claims I believe.

Here's how I see it stat wise:

- Ninjutsu= Hashirama = Gaara
- Genjutsu = Hshirama > Gaara
- Fuinjutsu = Gaara > Hashirama
- Experience = Hashirama > Gaara
- Taijutsu = Hashirama > Gaara
- Kenjutsu = Hashirama> Gaara
- Strength = Hashirama = Gaara (rating the durability of both Wood & Sand I think it's about equal)
- Speed = Gaara > Hashirama (I think on Gaara's Desert Suspension, and Gaara's Sand in general is a bit faster than Hashirama's Wood. However, on Foot Hashirama >>> Gaara)
- Reactions = Hashirama > Gaara (Gaara is no push over however!)

 

[Strict]

Also, An Awesome Senju, Hashirama can't use any of his large-scale techniques while restraining Gedo Mazou, which leaves him vulnerable.

What? Gedo Mazo is easily pinned down with the gates, and then, he drains its Chakra with Mokuton.

Hashirama was restraining Juubi. Gedo Mazo is a joke. Didn't Hashirama had all the Bijuu like pets, before he decided to spread them for balance?

 

[Benjamin King]

What? Gedo Mazo is easily pinned down with the gates, and then, he drains its Chakra with Mokuton.

Hashirama was restraining Juubi. Gedo Mazo is a joke. Didn't Hashirama had all the Bijuu like pets, before he decided to spread them for balance?

That's not my point.

 

[Demonic.]

Also, An Awesome Senju, Hashirama can't use any of his large-scale techniques while restraining Gedo Mazou, which leaves him vulnerable.

Proof that he can't? Or is it just because you say so Lol

 

[Benjamin King]

Proof that he can't? Or is it just because you say so Lol

Chapter 631-638 - Hashirama hasn't used any technique while restraining Juubi. Chapter 656 - Hashirama couldn't use any Jutsu while restraining Edo Madara. Now, since you're the one who made the claim, the burden of proof is upon you. Show me evidence Hashirama can use any large-scale technique while restraining Gedo Mazo?

 

[Strict]

That's not my point.

You said, that Hashirama wouldn't be able to use large scale Mokuton while restraining Gedo Mazo, which is a claim with no proof; unless you show me now a scan where your words are stated.

 

[Benjamin King]

You said, that Hashirama wouldn't be able to use large scale Mokuton while restraining Gedo Mazo, which is a claim with no proof; unless you show me now a scan where your words are stated.

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Chapter 631-638 - Hashirama hasn't used any technique while restraining Juubi. Chapter 656 - Hashirama couldn't use any Jutsu while restraining Edo Madara. Now, since you're the one who made the claim, the burden of proof is upon you. Show me evidence Hashirama can use any large-scale technique while restraining Gedo Mazo?

Like your Hashirama friend, I want a proof.

 

[Strict]

Chapter 631-638 - Hashirama hasn't used any technique while restraining Juubi. Chapter 656 - Hashirama couldn't use any Jutsu while restraining Edo Madara.

Him not using a large scale Mokuton is no prove he can't. In chapter 656, he was waiting for someone sealing Madara.

 

[KingHashirama]

Mokuton passively absorbs chakra correct? It was shown through Gokage vs Madara that when Madara tried to use Preta Path, Gaara's Sand's Chakra wasn't absorbed debunking all Absorb claims I believe.

Here's how I see it stat wise:

- Ninjutsu= Hashirama = Gaara
- Genjutsu = Hshirama > Gaara
- Fuinjutsu = Gaara > Hashirama
- Experience = Hashirama > Gaara
- Taijutsu = Hashirama > Gaara
- Kenjutsu = Hashirama> Gaara
- Strength = Hashirama = Gaara (rating the durability of both Wood & Sand I think it's about equal)
- Speed = Gaara > Hashirama (I think on Gaara's Desert Suspension, and Gaara's Sand in general is a bit faster than Hashirama's Wood. However, on Foot Hashirama >>> Gaara)
- Reactions = Hashirama > Gaara (Gaara is no push over however!)

- Hashirama is skilled in many ninjutsu, besides mokuton (due to his clan being a clan that possessed shinobi who focused on being "all-arounders".) And then you have the experience and etc. So don't see how Gaara comes = to Hashirama. (Plus he has medical ninjutsu).

- Fuinjutsu .. You are basing it on what is shown, Hashirama has been dealing with bijuus and also his mokuton acts like a sealing also in which it is superior to sand. And then you have the whole mito being his wife and him being from a clan who focused on all shinobi skills. I don't see how Gaara is superior to him, except if we only go with what has been shown. And that was dependent on the scenarios they were in.

- STrength , i was refering to physical strength

- Speed = Gaara might be faster on Sand, but if Mayfly is used by Hashirama's wood clones.. they are near "instant".

- Reactions , yea man gaara has dope reactions no lie about that. =D

^^^^^ This is me talking about current gaara being a perfect jinchuriki. However, i can see an adult Gaara who is a perfect jinchuriki being superior to Hashirama in alot of these catagories, IF he focuses on training and etc. (Hashirama was raised in a time where he had to continuously fight and etc. )

I honestly think Mokuton is the superior element. And also, by the absorbing, its not about absorbing the Sand, its about absorbing Gaara's chakra itself =p.

And also, i think we are forgetting one jutsu that can be a big issue for any jinchuriki, The great gates of God:

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Chapter 631-638 - Hashirama hasn't used any technique while restraining Juubi. Chapter 656 - Hashirama couldn't use any Jutsu while restraining Edo Madara. Now, since you're the one who made the claim, the burden of proof is upon you. Show me evidence Hashirama can use any large-scale technique while restraining Gedo Mazo?

Like your Hashirama friend, I want a proof.

hopefully thats a joke about

Bold #1 - Hashirama used Wood clone and was having them go fight Madara.. rofl. And furthermore help the alliance in which he used mokuton via clones..

Bold #2 - He couldn't mold new chakra for the seal, due to the rods... << Stated in the manga.

 

[Benjamin King]

Him not using a large scale Mokuton is no prove he can't. In chapter 656, he was waiting for someone sealing Madara.

Yes, it is. It would have been very helpful to beat the Juubi alongside the fodders of the Alliance, yet he didn't. Because a Fuinjutsu takes a lot of Chakra? No. He didn't because he CAN'T while using the Death God. So until I see an evidence from the manga to support your fan-fiction, you're not valid to counter.

 

[DrProof]

- Hashirama is skilled in many ninjutsu, besides mokuton (due to his clan being a clan that possessed shinobi who focused on being "all-arounders".) And then you have the experience and etc. So don't see how Gaara comes = to Hashirama. (Plus he has medical ninjutsu).

- Fuinjutsu .. You are basing it on what is shown, Hashirama has been dealing with bijuus and also his mokuton acts like a sealing also in which it is superior to sand. And then you have the whole mito being his wife and him being from a clan who focused on all shinobi skills. I don't see how Gaara is superior to him, except if we only go with what has been shown. And that was dependent on the scenarios they were in.

- STrength , i was refering to physical strength

- Speed = Gaara might be faster on Sand, but if Mayfly is used by Hashirama's wood clones.. they are near "instant".

- Reactions , yea man gaara has dope reactions no lie about that. =D

^^^^^ This is me talking about current gaara being a perfect jinchuriki. However, i can see an adult Gaara who is a perfect jinchuriki being superior to Hashirama in alot of these catagories, IF he focuses on training and etc. (Hashirama was raised in a time where he had to continuously fight and etc. )

I honestly think Mokuton is the superior element. And also, by the absorbing, its not about absorbing the Sand, its about absorbing Gaara's chakra itself =p.

And also, i think we are forgetting one jutsu that can be a big issue for any jinchuriki, The great gates of God:

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Ninjutsu I'm referring to solely Wood Release, and Sand Manipulation. I think they are about equal in manipulating the Two!

Fuinjutsu well Gaara was shown to have a Sealing pyramid with Shukaku's Aid I think that counts as a pretty good feat in that category. Maybe Hashirama possesses something better.

Well Gaara's Sand wasn't shown to have its chakra absorbed via Preta Path so I think Hashirama's Wood wouldn't implement that effect is all I'm saying imo.

Very possible. Gaara is the next Hashirama v.v

 

[Demonic.]

Chapter 631-638 - Hashirama hasn't used any technique while restraining Juubi. Chapter 656 - Hashirama couldn't use any Jutsu while restraining Edo Madara. Now, since you're the one who made the claim, the burden of proof is upon you. Show me evidence Hashirama can use any large-scale technique while restraining Gedo Mazo?

Um

1. The Hokage were using the four red yang formation. Do you remember what that is or did you conveniently forget? Here:

This barrier is apparently very chakra-taxing since at least two of its users are limited in the usage of other techniques, such as clone techniques, while maintaining the barrier at the same time.

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2. Hashirama had rods in his back and was already drained of chakra. Do I need to post a scan of Madara stealing Hashirama's Senjutsu and saying the amount of power was weak?

So no your "proof" is flawed

 

[Strict]

Yes, it is. It would have been very helpful to beat the Juubi alongside the fodders of the Alliance, yet he didn't. Because a Fuinjutsu takes a lot of Chakra? No. He didn't because he CAN'T while using the Death God. So until I see an evidence from the manga to support your fan-fiction, you're not valid to counter.

It's annoying to debate with you.

It's not like Hashirama has to focus on the gates to remain them.
Hashirama, together with the other Hokage, created the red barrier, dropped a dozen of gates and created multiple Bunshin to support the alliance from all areas. I don't know what else Hashirama could do in this situation, as the Juubi already was fully tamed. You forget, that the alliance together with Naruto were the main stars. The Hokage tamed the Juubi like a pet and opened the alliance the way for doing whatever they wanted to do with the Juubi.

So you got no prove that he can't use large scale Mokuton while the gates are active. Him not being able to use large scale Mokuton while he dropped gates makes absolutely no sense.

We have no obligation to prove that Hashirama can use his large scale Mokuton after he used the Gates (which is just another technique). You need to prove that he clearly can't. And if you have nothing else to add, just don't speak.

 

[KingHashirama]

Ninjutsu I'm referring to solely Wood Release, and Sand Manipulation. I think they are about equal in manipulating the Two!

Fuinjutsu well Gaara was shown to have a Sealing pyramid with Shukaku's Aid I think that counts as a pretty good feat in that category. Maybe Hashirama possesses something better.

Well Gaara's Sand wasn't shown to have its chakra absorbed via Preta Path so I think Hashirama's Wood wouldn't implement that effect is all I'm saying imo.

Very possible. Gaara is the next Hashirama v.v

- I see where you are coming from, I think sand is also easier to manipulate compared to mokuton. Like how its easier to manipulate shapes from water,rather than the earth. (But remember Hashirama has more experience with it, so naturally he would be the better one. But ehh).

- Ah you mean the "strongest seal". Well Hashirama was able to restrain the juubi. But i suppose thats probably not a fuinjutsu. x-x not sure. And of course all the Seals that Yamato did on Naruto for his 9-tails are all from Hashirama. Idk, Hashirama really never faced someone he could plain out seal (onscreen that is).

- AHAHAHA dudeee i can so see that. Only issue is he would be a little bit weaker version of Hashirama simply due to the difference between Chakra amount (but of course that can be overcome by having better skills). But it all depends on whether he keeps on training or is he going to stop.

 

[KidGamer65]

Base Hashirama mid diffs this clown.

 

[Benjamin King]

It's annoying to debate with you.

Good, GTFO now.

Um

1. The Hokage were using the four red yang formation. Do you remember what that is or did you conveniently forget? Here:

This barrier is apparently very chakra-taxing since at least two of its users are limited in the usage of other techniques, such as clone techniques, while maintaining the barrier at the same time.

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Hashirama's supply of Chakra doesn't restrict him from doing that. Minato, who was using half of Kurama's Chakra was able to teleport to Obito via Bunshin [

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], engage Juubito until his real body came to the day. Hashirama stated his Chakra is comparable to Kurama [

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]. He has no excuses.

2. Hashirama had rods in his back and was already drained of chakra. Do I need to post a scan of Madara stealing Hashirama's Senjutsu and saying the amount of power was weak?

And Madara did the same thing to BM Naruto via Mokuton: Mokuryoo. And that didn't stop Naruto from using Chakra taxing. Once again, no excuses.