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Benjamin King said:
1). First, your TBB argument. Obito stated after the revival of the Juubi, he doesn't want to use too much Chakra. [
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] This is obvious because the less Chakra Juubi has, the weaker it is and the more bad effect on the IT. Second, your tail argument is fallacious. The tails do not even equate the Chakra or Bijuu's power. By that logic, V2 Jinchuuriki could not have stomped on KCM Naruto and BM Hachibi, if that was the case. Third, when Kurama had almost no Chakra and needed to create Chakra from its own flesh (hence why it got smaller in size), it managed to create the same sized TBB in the war:

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Unless you're saying that Kurama still has more Chakra than other Bijuu, when it practically had none? The size of TBB isn't even relevant. This small
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had more output than a massive TBB. Once again, the number of tail or TBB is not what puts a Bijuu above the other, it's the logic that they are 10% split of the Juubi. Otherwise, the Chakra they gave to Naruto would have possible been equal in amount of power. [
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The Bijuu combined equals the Kyuubi? Joke of the year. The Chakra they gave to Naruto managed to have their own very soul, whereas Kinkaku and Ginkaku had been feeding on Kurama's Chakra for 2 weeks, didn't have its soul.
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That's a fair point about the TBB's, but my tails point still stands. KCM Naruto is in no way a v1 or v2 form, it's its own chakra manifestation. It gives Naruto speed far superior to the other forms, but lacks the power. Either way, Avatar Kurama clearly shitted on all of the Bijuu with little difficulty, and send them flying with a mere chakra roar. KCM being compared to v2 states is a false analogy. Bee didn't get stomped by v2, nor would it be relevant. Furthermore, I said Naruto is equal to all the beasts in terms of chakra quality/quantity as a mother passes on her abilities to her sons each gaining an equal share, so if Hagromo gained Kyuubi, Hamura must have gained the rest. Never did I say Naruto can fight all of them simultaneously as that would mean his quality=quality but his quantity<theirs, hence he loses. @ third point; Don't see the relevance of brining that up, as it holds no merit in this discussions nor is it a point you can base things off of.

Again, don't see the relevance of the Bijuu's giving Naruto their power implying they have as much chakra as the Kyuubi, or comparable to one another. Feeding on one's soul and directly giving someone chakra are two completely different things, so once again, false analogy. Ironic how you point out people abusing fallacies and then you abuse it yourself. Either way, you are completely hypocritical as a debater. At one point, you choose to deny all odds of what was shown in the manga and say the Kyuubi has an equivalent quantity of chakra to the other Bijuu because no statement was ever said otherwise, while at another point, you ignore canon's demonstrations of PS and claim Madara's>Sasuke's despite feats. Keep the contradictions coming, I probably will be laughing too hard at your next post to be able to reply, so don't get sad if I forget to do so after my long-lasting laugh.

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Good that you're to the conclusion you're an idiot yourself.
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Best retort, gg.
 

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Apêx said:
That's a fair point about the TBB's, but my tails point still stands. KCM Naruto is in no way a v1 or v2 form, it's its own chakra manifestation. It gives Naruto speed far superior to the other forms, but lacks the power. Either way, Avatar Kurama clearly shitted on all of the Bijuu with little difficulty, and send them flying with a mere chakra roar. KCM being compared to v2 states is a false analogy. Bee didn't get stomped by v2, nor would it be relevant. Furthermore, I said Naruto is equal to all the beasts in terms of chakra quality/quantity as a mother passes on her abilities to her sons each gaining an equal share, so if Hagromo gained Kyuubi, Hamura must have gained the rest. Never did I say Naruto can fight all of them simultaneously as that would mean his quality=quality but his quantity<theirs, hence he loses. @ third point; Don't see the relevance of brining that up, as it holds no merit in this discussions nor is it a point you can base things off of.

Again, don't see the relevance of the Bijuu's giving Naruto their power implying they have as much chakra as the Kyuubi, or comparable to one another. Feeding on one's soul and directly giving someone chakra are two completely different things, so once again, false analogy. Ironic how you point out people abusing fallacies and then you abuse it yourself. Either way, you are completely hypocritical as a debater. At one point, you choose to deny all odds of what was shown in the manga and say the Kyuubi has an equivalent quantity of chakra to the other Bijuu because no statement was ever said otherwise, while at another point, you ignore canon's demonstrations of PS and claim Madara's>Sasuke's despite feats. Keep the contradictions coming, I probably will be laughing too hard at your next post to be able to reply, so don't get sad if I forget to do so after my long-lasting laugh.



Best retort, gg.
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1). Irrelevancies. Bijuu giving Chakra to Jinchuuriki = giving them a form. V1 = specific amount of Chakra. V2 = more Chakra than V1. Naruto using KCM = Naruto using V1. That is that. How do shock-waves determine that Kurama has more Chakra than other Bijuu? It doesn't. You just replied to yourself again. You're basically saying Kurama's Chakra makes up the other Bijuu, a fallacy after fallacy. Yes it does. 1/8 Bijuu > Kurama with no Chakra. Kurama with no Chakra created a TBB 5 times the size of its own. So, 1/8 Bijuu can do the same as they have more Chakra. It goes back to my first point.

When Kinkaku and Ginkaku had been feeding on Kurama's Chakra, they didn't gain an essence of its soul. You said the number of tails are determined by the Bijuu's Chakra limit. Kinkaku and Ginkaku disprove your example, as they have less of portion of Kurama's Chakra compared to the portion of Bijuu Chakra given to Naruto, as it had essence of their souls. Don't bother replying, you already gave me aids after reading them. If you reply, you will give me cancer as well. So please don't, I don't want diseases reading your retardation.
 
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Benjamin King said:
1). Irrelevancies. Bijuu giving Chakra to Jinchuuriki = giving them a form. V1 = specific amount of Chakra. V2 = more Chakra than V1. Naruto using KCM = Naruto using V1. That is that. How do shock-waves determine that Kurama has more Chakra than other Bijuu? It doesn't. You just replied to yourself again. You're basically saying Kurama's Chakra makes up the other Bijuu, a fallacy after fallacy. Yes it does. 1/8 Bijuu > Kurama with no Chakra. Kurama with no Chakra created a TBB 5 times the size of its own. So, 1/8 Bijuu can do the same as they have more Chakra. It goes back to my first point.

When Kinkaku and Ginkaku had been feeding on Kurama's Chakra, they didn't gain an essence of its soul. You said the number of tails are determined by the Bijuu's Chakra limit. Kinkaku and Ginkaku disprove your example, as they have less of portion of Kurama's Chakra compared to the portion of Bijuu Chakra given to Naruto, as it had essence of their souls. Don't bother replying, you already gave me aids after reading them. If you reply, you will give me cancer as well. So please don't, I don't want diseases reading your retardation.
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You are a fool. I will be keeping this thread saved so I can neg you once I can. Unfortunately the last two days have been murder on my rep distribution, so I must wait some time. But don't fret. I will remember.
 
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