itʻs implied that they tried to absorb them, yet failed since they mentally reacted to the attack and have shown the ability to absorb ninjutsu without saying or thinking anything. Plus, Kaguya pretty much is proven to have used preta path in order to absorb the rasenshurikens since she was hardly injured by the attack, yet naruto casually slices her arm off with a chakra claw. So unless you think casual chakra claw >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9 bijuu rasenshuriken, then she protected herself with her absorbing ability, yet couldnʻt absorb the whole thing.
um, no it doesnʻt, especially when madara hasnʻt shown the ability to do anything of the sort, and his absorption ability is even less than that of hashiramaʻs mokuton dragons. Plus, deva path doesnʻt redirect ninjutsu, it dispells them, and even if madara had the ability to produce powerful enough STs to dispell them, naruto just follows up with another line of rasenshurikens while heʻs in cooldown.
Madara canʻt use preta path or deva path while heʻs inside PS.
Iʻve been over the argument about how kaguya being low on chakra is completely irrelevant based on two things:
1) her still being far faster than sasuke whoʻs at least as fast as juubi jin madara
2) her not being able to mentally react to the attack which has nothing to do with chakra quantity
SM naruto can't flyLol,nor he can use biju RS ,even if we gave him a fan fiction floating ability at SM ,he would still be immobilized seeing how RSM naruto couldn't even move at kaguya's gravity dimension which is similar to deva path ability
If SM Naruto canʻt fly, then iʻm obviously not talking about SM Naruto iʻm talking about the naruto who can fly. Plus, deva path canʻt immobilize naruto, it either pushes or pulls him, limbo is the one that immobilized sasuke in midair.
Naruto used one of the 9 bijuu rasenshuriken (aka youton rasenshuriken or son gokuʻs one) to cut the shinjuu in half.
Whether madara immoblized sasuke with deva or limbo,that doesn't change the fact that madara can immobilize him with deva ability or just bansho tain him to PS sword
Since when can madara use PS and banshou tennin simultaneously? And if madara tries that, naruto simply ends him and his PS with a bijuu rasenshuriken. Since when has anyone ever immobilized another person with deva pathʻs ability?
Give madara this fanfiction ability to use PS and deva path simultaneously and base naruto still roflstomps him. Current naruto, the one who can fly and has gudoudamas could end an entire army of these madaras with his bijuudama rasenshuriken and chakra punch spam.
itʻs implied that they tried to absorb them, yet failed since they mentally reacted to the attack and have shown the ability to absorb ninjutsu without saying or thinking anything. Plus, Kaguya pretty much is proven to have used preta path in order to absorb the rasenshurikens since she was hardly injured by the attack, yet naruto casually slices her arm off with a chakra claw. So unless you think casual chakra claw >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9 bijuu rasenshuriken, then she protected herself with her absorbing ability, yet couldnʻt absorb the whole thing.
um, no it doesnʻt, especially when madara hasnʻt shown the ability to do anything of the sort, and his absorption ability is even less than that of hashiramaʻs mokuton dragons. Plus, deva path doesnʻt redirect ninjutsu, it dispells them, and even if madara had the ability to produce powerful enough STs to dispell them, naruto just follows up with another line of rasenshurikens while heʻs in cooldown.
Madara canʻt use preta path or deva path while heʻs inside PS.
Iʻve been over the argument about how kaguya being low on chakra is completely irrelevant based on two things:
1) her still being far faster than sasuke whoʻs at least as fast as juubi jin madara
2) her not being able to mentally react to the attack which has nothing to do with chakra quantity
If SM Naruto canʻt fly, then iʻm obviously not talking about SM Naruto iʻm talking about the naruto who can fly. Plus, deva path canʻt immobilize naruto, it either pushes or pulls him, limbo is the one that immobilized sasuke in midair.
Naruto used one of the 9 bijuu rasenshuriken (aka youton rasenshuriken or son gokuʻs one) to cut the shinjuu in half.
Since when can madara use PS and banshou tennin simultaneously? And if madara tries that, naruto simply ends him and his PS with a bijuu rasenshuriken. Since when has anyone ever immobilized another person with deva pathʻs ability?
Give madara this fanfiction ability to use PS and deva path simultaneously and base naruto still roflstomps him. Current naruto, the one who can fly and has gudoudamas could end an entire army of these madaras with his bijuudama rasenshuriken and chakra punch spam.
You give chakra mode naruto feats to SM naruto ,here we are talking about SM naruto
Kishi didn't show them try and fail ,they didn't even use preta path so we cant assume that naruto attacks can't be absorbed
Madara couldn't absorb the wood dragon because it has absorbation properties too
Madara can absorb all sm naruto attacks or push it away ,even during the 5 seconds cool down(if madara had such a cool down)madara can still suspend naruto with some Moulton construction till the cool down ends or just absorb it
Madara can't use preta inside Susano ,then what ?that doesn't change any thing ,you have no proof that madara can't use deva while he is inside Susano,plus madara can pull naruto with BT to a clone with susano or to gedo souls dragging dragon GG
Again the one who speed blitzed low on chakra kaguya was chakra mode naruto ,you mix things up now ,also sasuke isn't as fast as jin madara but that is off topic so move on
Again ,SM naruto can't use Biju RS ,plus it can be pushed away
SM naruto hasn't enough feats to blitz SM madara ,you keep talking with BS ,plus madara can defend himself with susano
what is that based on? is it based on my calling you out on all of your blatant lies or double standards, or is it based on you time and time against just getting destroyed in our discussions?
You give chakra mode naruto feats to SM naruto ,here we are talking about SM naruto
Kishi didn't show them try and fail ,they didn't even use preta path so we cant assume that naruto attacks can't be absorbed
What feat am i giving SM Naruto that he hasnʻt been shown to have? SM Naruto used youton rasenshuriken which means he can use a tailed beast rasenshuriken since all it is is asking for chakra from a certain beast and using itt.
Kishi doesnʻt have to explicitly show them trying and failing just like he doesnʻt have to explicitly show them trying and succeeding to absorb things like amaterasu. Iʻm not ASSUMING, iʻm asserting that my argument is more plausible than the alternative.
Madara can absorb all sm naruto attacks or push it away ,even during the 5 seconds cool down(if madara had such a cool down)madara can still suspend naruto with some Moulton construction till the cool down ends or just absorb it
Weʻve been over why he canʻt absorb SM Narutoʻs attacks as he couldnʻt absorb the youton rasenshuriken. Been over why you need to show madara can push his rasenshurikens away. Based on what can madara suspend naruto with mokuton constructs when naruto moves on the level of juubi jin madara, can use kagebunshins and can fire attacks that slice the biggest mokuton in the manga in half without stopping?
Madara can't use preta inside Susano ,then what ?that doesn't change any thing ,you have no proof that madara can't use deva while he is inside Susano,plus madara can pull naruto with BT to a clone with susano or to gedo souls dragging dragon GG
burden of proof is on you to show madara can use deva path while inside susanoo. Same with preta path, which makes even less sense since preta path would absorb susanoo as well as the attack thatʻs incoming leaving madara exposed.
Why would gedou soul dragons be gg against someone who is so fast that they can dodge limbo from juubi jin madara and force him to block? Why would gedou soul dragons be gg against someone who can just slice gedou mazou in half with a youton rasenshuriken?
Again the one who speed blitzed low on chakra kaguya was chakra mode naruto ,you mix things up now ,also sasuke isn't as fast as jin madara but that is off topic so move on
Concession accepted as youʻve literally ignored my arguments time and time again that blatantly spell out for your why kaguya being low on chakra has absolutely nothing to do with narutoʻs speed feat against her since being low on chakra doesnʻt affect oneʻs mental reactions as well as sasuke being on the same level as juubi jin madara in speed.
Except he literally used youton rasenshuriken in the manga, which is one of the 9 bijuu rasenshuriken, which in turn proves that he can use bijuu rasenshuriken sincee bijuu rasenshuriken is simply tthe bijuu giving naruto their chakra and naruto forming a rasenshuriken with it.
Sure SM Naruto does, he dodge juubi jinchuriki madaraʻs limbo clone, juubi jinchuriki madaraʻs limbo clone is at least as fast as madara whoʻs way faster than SM Madara. Plus, even if naruto had zero feats to blitz SM Madara, hype of being able to wreck juubi jin madara puts him on juubi jin madaraʻs level of speed unless shown otherwise.
Susanoo gets busted by any bijuu rasenshuriken, limbo clones are fodderized by narutoʻs shadow clones, madara doesnʻt stand a chance by feats or hype.
^If i recall kaguya doesn't have preta path and if she attempted to absorb the nine bijuu RS. Some of the explosions would've been absorbed into her body. Therefore She head on took the damage without absorbing anything.
OT. It's common sense that double rinnegan madara would be stronger so he takes it high diff.
what is that based on? is it based on my calling you out on all of your blatant lies or double standards, or is it based on you time and time against just getting destroyed in our discussions?
What feat am i giving SM Naruto that he hasnʻt been shown to have? SM Naruto used youton rasenshuriken which means he can use a tailed beast rasenshuriken since all it is is asking for chakra from a certain beast and using itt.
Kishi doesnʻt have to explicitly show them trying and failing just like he doesnʻt have to explicitly show them trying and succeeding to absorb things like amaterasu. Iʻm not ASSUMING, iʻm asserting that my argument is more plausible than the alternative.
Weʻve been over why he canʻt absorb SM Narutoʻs attacks as he couldnʻt absorb the youton rasenshuriken. Been over why you need to show madara can push his rasenshurikens away. Based on what can madara suspend naruto with mokuton constructs when naruto moves on the level of juubi jin madara, can use kagebunshins and can fire attacks that slice the biggest mokuton in the manga in half without stopping?
burden of proof is on you to show madara can use deva path while inside susanoo. Same with preta path, which makes even less sense since preta path would absorb susanoo as well as the attack thatʻs incoming leaving madara exposed.
Why would gedou soul dragons be gg against someone who is so fast that they can dodge limbo from juubi jin madara and force him to block? Why would gedou soul dragons be gg against someone who can just slice gedou mazou in half with a youton rasenshuriken?
Concession accepted as youʻve literally ignored my arguments time and time again that blatantly spell out for your why kaguya being low on chakra has absolutely nothing to do with narutoʻs speed feat against her since being low on chakra doesnʻt affect oneʻs mental reactions as well as sasuke being on the same level as juubi jin madara in speed.
Except he literally used youton rasenshuriken in the manga, which is one of the 9 bijuu rasenshuriken, which in turn proves that he can use bijuu rasenshuriken sincee bijuu rasenshuriken is simply tthe bijuu giving naruto their chakra and naruto forming a rasenshuriken with it.
Sure SM Naruto does, he dodge juubi jinchuriki madaraʻs limbo clone, juubi jinchuriki madaraʻs limbo clone is at least as fast as madara whoʻs way faster than SM Madara. Plus, even if naruto had zero feats to blitz SM Madara, hype of being able to wreck juubi jin madara puts him on juubi jin madaraʻs level of speed unless shown otherwise.
Susanoo gets busted by any bijuu rasenshuriken, limbo clones are fodderized by narutoʻs shadow clones, madara doesnʻt stand a chance by feats or hype.
based on that you overrate naruto so much, you think his opponent won't have any time to think, or counter, you think naruto will read his enemy all strategies and tricks
you was talking about flying, speed blitzing kaguya
but yes he can use he can use biju RSS but not TTBRS
again ,they didn't even try to use it, it was never said naruto attacks can't be absorbed, give me one reason why not
for example, kaguya could have evaded bijubRS by her s/t but she didn't. ,does that mean it wouldnt have worked ? what a Bad logic
you talk like if I said madara would beat naruto with mouktun ,I said he will suspend him by mouktun, he will make naruto get busy destroying some mouktun construction till he can use ST again
anyway ,all sm naruto attacks are getting absorbed by preta path
I never said that madara can use preta path inside susano
nothing prevents madara from using Deva inside susano, sasuke used amatrasu while he was inside susano, madara used katon while he was inside susano
anyway, I already gave another scenario that the real madara pulls naruto towards susano sword used by a wooden clone
yes, gedo dragon is GG if madara is pulling naruto with BS towards the dragon ,naruto’speed is irrelevant here if naruto is getting pulled
madara can even push naruto towards the ground like that
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then a clone uses mouktun from underground GG, or a clone with susano using mayfly GG
limbo is a clone , how can it be at least as fast as the real one?
whatever, speedblitzing isn't happening while madara has susano
I'm assuming in all scenarios, this is not juubi jin Madara, so Naruto destroys in all scenarios. However, this chapter has me convinced that Naruto's stronger than Madara period.
based on that you overrate naruto so much, you think his opponent won't have any time to think, or counter, you think naruto will read his enemy all strategies and tricks
Except my arguments never ever imply such unless I have legitimate and compelling scans and logic to back them up. On the otherhand you just assert the opposite of the bolded with literally no evidence or arguments which shows that you are indeed not interested in truth, but rather just obsessed with pushing your own personal agenda.
I never said naruto reads all of his enemyʻs strategies and tricks, and if you want to argue that, then the same thing goes the other way: you pressupose that narutoʻs enemies read all of narutoʻs strategies and tricks.
So nope, double standards and just assertions backed by zero evidence is all youʻve ever been good at, which just proves my analysis of you correct.
again ,they didn't even try to use it, it was never said naruto attacks can't be absorbed, give me one reason why not
for example, kaguya could have evaded bijubRS by her s/t but she didn't. ,does that mean it wouldnt have worked ? what a Bad logic
Kaguya couldnʻt evade the damas because they were simply too fast for her to use her teleportation. Based on what did they never even try to use it? Is it based on all of them failing to absorb stuff that you believe they should have absorbed? If so why do you believe that they should have absorbed that stuff? Does preta path literally have no limits?
you talk like if I said madara would beat naruto with mouktun ,I said he will suspend him by mouktun, he will make naruto get busy destroying some mouktun construction till he can use ST again
How would madaraʻs mokuton do anything to naruto? Naruto literally destroyed the largest mokuton in the manga as a side affect of fighting Madara, madara using mokutons that arenʻt shinjuu level or above is just going to be a waste of time on naruto. Plus, if madara uses mokuton, naruto makes a clone that destroys all the mokuton while the real ends madara whoʻs preoccupied with using mokuton.
Concession accepted as Iʻve completely dismantled this argument. If Madara, who could absorb something like amaterasu before even getting a single rinnegan canʻt absorb a youton rasenshuriken when heʻs a juubi jin, then none of those attacks are getting absorbed by preta path. See this is what Iʻm talking about, the massive double standards you pull. Give madara the ability to absorb stuff that he couldnʻt absorb because the other guy (me) canʻt 100% prove without a shadow of a doubt that madara wouldnʻt be able to absorb the attack if he used preta path.
based on what does nothing prevent madara from using deva inside susanoo? Deva path isnʻt amaterasu, deva path isnʻt a katon, itʻs a rinnegan technique and one that blows away or draws things near to the casterʻs body . Nothing indicates madara can use that technique while in susanoo, no positive evidence.
And then naruto fodderizes both of them with a bijuu rasenshuriken.
Seriously, madara pulls naruto, naruto ends madara with a bijuu rasenshuriken while madara is busy pulling him. Also, based on what does the dragon even beat naruto? Because it soul-sucked some fodders? It took 9 of those dragons multiple days to suck out the bijuu form a jinchuriki of the lesser beats, and thatʻs after the jinchuriki were on the verge of death, naruto runs right through those dragons and ends madara.
madara can even push naruto towards the ground like that
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then a clone uses mouktun from underground GG, or a clone with susano using mayfly GG [/QU?OTE]
How in the world is any mokuton gg for naruto? Naruto just makes a couple of shadow clones and resists the technique then ends madara with a bijuu rasenshuriken when heʻs in cooldown. Based on what can madara even use a clone while simultaneously using the rinneganʻs powers like shinra tensei? Based on what would madaraʻs clone underground not be destroyed by that shinra tensei thatʻs suppose to be strong enough to affect naruto?
Um, because nothing has indicated the limbo clone is slower than the original, and the limbo actually has physical strength, speed and durability feats that are above the originalʻs. Plus, they arenʻt even called clones they are called his shadows. Then thereʻs the fact that you are comparing copies made from a rinnegan technique to copies made from a technique that anyone can use. So nope.
If madara uses susanoo, naruto just ends him with bijuu rasenshuriken.
Brother, Iʻm willing to do continue this conversation forever until you take off the diapers and start crapping the an actual toilet. Iʻm sick and tired of people just coming into arguments and evaluating characters by enormous double standards and with just pure biased towards one side. Donʻt be that guy, debate honestly, if you canʻt do that, then it pretty much proves that your argument is false.
Kaguya couldnʻt evade the damas because they were simply too fast for her to use her teleportation. Based on what did they never even try to use it? Is it based on all of them failing to absorb stuff that you believe they should have absorbed? If so why do you believe that they should have absorbed that stuff? Does preta path literally have no limits?
WoW ,so naruto's charging domas and throwing it is faster than kaguya's rewriting the dimension instantly to the ice dimension to immobilize naruto and his clones
Couldn't kaguya even teleport away with portals ?,as I remember ,kaguya was able to escape the real naruto himself with these portals
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If kishi wanted to clarify that naruto's attacks can't be absorbed ,he would have made madara and kaguya try, fail and comment
Sm pre hagromo power up naruto's RS was absorbed by preta path just fine ,why can't sm powered up naruto's RS be absorbed? Can't rikudo chakra be absorbed or what? That wasn't stated,I also remember that obi to absorbed some rikudo chakra from jin madara and kaguya absorbed amatrasu which was made by rikudo sasuke
Let me go straight ,that is plot ,kaguya and madara not trying to absorb naruto's RS is plot and you know that ,it is just like how SM madara stabbed EMS sasuke without the latter even trying to block madara's sword with Susano ,does that mean that even if sasuke had used Susano ,susano wouldnt have been enough to defend sasuke against the sword and the sword would still stabb him !!!?
How would madaraʻs mokuton do anything to naruto? Naruto literally destroyed the largest mokuton in the manga as a side affect of fighting Madara, madara using mokutons that arenʻt shinjuu level or above is just going to be a waste of time on naruto. Plus, if madara uses mokuton, naruto makes a clone that destroys all the mokuton while the real ends madara whoʻs preoccupied with using mokuton.
That is what I am talking about ,that is enough time for madara to be able to use ST again
Concession accepted as Iʻve completely dismantled this argument. If Madara, who could absorb something like amaterasu before even getting a single rinnegan canʻt absorb a youton rasenshuriken when heʻs a juubi jin, then none of those attacks are getting absorbed by preta path. See this is what Iʻm talking about, the massive double standards you pull. Give madara the ability to absorb stuff that he couldnʻt absorb because the other guy (me) canʻt 100% prove without a shadow of a doubt that madara wouldnʻt be able to absorb the attack if he used preta path.
Yes,your proof is weak ,you say that naruto attacks can't be absorbed just because madara and kaguya didn't try to absorb it ? Where is the logic here?
based on what does nothing prevent madara from using deva inside susanoo? Deva path isnʻt amaterasu, deva path isnʻt a katon, itʻs a rinnegan technique and one that blows away or draws things near to the casterʻs body . Nothing indicates madara can use that technique while in susanoo, no positive evidence
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Based on what there is something prevents madara from using ST or BT while being inside susano
No ,using mouth made katon while being inside Susano means that susano doesn't block what is coming from inside to outside ,I remember that even gara pulled madara from susano's inside ,susano didn't block madara's getting out from it ,he just slipped through it
My argument and proof is stronger than yours
And then naruto fodderizes both of them with a bijuu rasenshuriken.
See ,that what will happen ,a clone/real madara pulls naruto with BT while the real madara/clone ends naruto with shokewave from ps ,even if naruto managed to charge RS at that time ,PS shokewave would still kill naruto and detonate the RS at his hand
Also, based on what does the dragon even beat naruto? Because it soul-sucked some fodders? It took 9 of those dragons multiple days to suck out the bijuu form a jinchuriki of the lesser beats, and thatʻs after the jinchuriki were on the verge of death, naruto runs right through those dragons and ends madara.
It isn't the same dragon ,the 9 dragons used on jins is a biju extracting jutsu
you assume thing now ,that naruto can stand souls dragging dragon
How in the world is any mokuton gg for naruto? Naruto just makes a couple of shadow clones and resists the technique then ends madara with a bijuu rasenshuriken when heʻs in cooldown. Based on what can madara even use a clone while simultaneously using the rinneganʻs powers like shinra tensei? Based on what would madaraʻs clone underground not be destroyed by that shinra tensei thatʻs suppose to be strong enough to affect naruto?
Now naruto is pushed towards the ground,How would naruto's clone protect him from a wood branches grow from underground right under him ,these wooden branches would make dozens of holes in naruto's body
When I said madara would make a clone while using deva path? ,madara will have a clone before that ,then he pushes naruto towards the ground while the clone ends him like that
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Madara doesn't need even a clone to perform this strategy ,he can push naruto to the ground then ends him with a susano's sword like I showed
Not to mention that if madara put enough force at this ST which pushes naruto to the ground ,that would kill naruto too without a need to Susano or mouktun ,wouldn't it?
Um, because nothing has indicated the limbo clone is slower than the original, and the limbo actually has physical strength, speed and durability feats that are above the originalʻs. Plus, they arenʻt even called clones they are called his shadows. Then thereʻs the fact that you are comparing copies made from a rinnegan technique to copies made from a technique that anyone can use. So nope.
Hmm ,yes rinningan's clones isn't like normal ones ,it is invisible ,limbo has better feats than the original in terms of some skills but that doesn't mean the original wouldnt do the same ,saying that limbo is faster than madara is a pure assumption based on no clear statement but with common sense limbo is slower than the original madara or as fast as him at most
Naruto's clone is called shadow clones yet it isn't as fast as him ,alright?
If madara uses susanoo, naruto just ends him
with bijuu rasenshuriken.
it can be pushed by ST or absorbed by prta after undoing susano or maybe it can be tanked by sm and rikudo chakra enhanced ps or maybe it can be cut/detonated in mid air by shokewave
Brother, Iʻm willing to do continue this conversation forever until you take off the diapers and start crapping the an actual toilet. Iʻm sick and tired of people just cominginto arguments and evaluating characters by enormous double standards and with just pure biased towards one side. Donʻt be that guy, debate honestly, if you canʻt do that, then it pretty much proves that your argument is false
Bro,I swear if you give strong argument and persuading proof ,I will admit that naruto wins ,I am not a fanboy of one of them neither nor I hate one of them ,if you countred all my points and I didn't see any other way for madara to win ,I 'd give up and admit that madara loses ,but as long as you aren't countering my points with strong proof and as long as I can see a way for madara to win ,I won't admit naruto's victory
I am not willing to debate forever since at a certain point ,either me or you will agree with the other ,your saying that you are willing to debate forever till i change can be interpreted by some that agreeing with me isnt one of your options and that you have no intention to agree with me
i'll be busy the incoming days'weaks and months ,so i will reply to your next post later unless you agreed to me Lol
WoW ,so naruto's charging domas and throwing it is faster than kaguya's rewriting the dimension instantly to the ice dimension to immobilize naruto and his clones
Couldn't kaguya even teleport away with portals ?,as I remember ,kaguya was able to escape the real naruto himself with these portals
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If kishi wanted to clarify that naruto's attacks can't be absorbed ,he would have made madara and kaguya try, fail and comment
Kaguya couldnʻt use dimensional shifting because of her low chakra, and it wouldnʻt have made a difference since the bijuudamas would have gone right through whatever barrier is in between her and them and blew up. She couldnʻt teleport away, the bijuu rasenshurikens were too fast.
Kishi doesnʻt have to clarify the attacks canʻt be absorbed when the readers know the powers of the oppositions that have been explained many times, yet they are unable to absorb said attack.
Sm pre hagromo power up naruto's RS was absorbed by preta path just fine ,why can't sm powered up naruto's RS be absorbed? Can't rikudo chakra be absorbed or what? That wasn't stated,I also remember that obi to absorbed some rikudo chakra from jin madara and kaguya absorbed amatrasu which was made by rikudo sasuke
Um, preta path canʻt absorb it because the quantity and quality of NArutoʻs chakra are simply too great for preta path to abbsorb before the technique inflicts damage on the user. bijuu rasenshuriken is millions of times more powerful than the SM rasenshuriken pain absorbed. Plus, if you look back on when pain did absorb the rasenshuriken, the rasenshuriken bent his absorption barrier back which showed that a more powerful attack would get through it and damage the user if preta canʻt abbsorb all of it before it reaches.
Let me go straight ,that is plot ,kaguya and madara not trying to absorb naruto's RS is plot and you know that ,it is just like how SM madara stabbed EMS sasuke without the latter even trying to block madara's sword with Susano ,does that mean that even if sasuke had used Susano ,susano wouldnt have been enough to defend sasuke against the sword and the sword would still stabb him !!!?
If you want to argue plot restricted kaguya or madara despite nothing indicating such, then plot restricted naruto as well. You donʻt have any evidence that madara or kaguya didnʻt try to absorb said attacks, I gave a compelling argument that shows why they did and therefore simply saying "plot" is a concession on your part as itʻs basically ignoring my argument.
We can claim sasuke not using susanoo is plot because we know he can use susanoo and we know he didnʻt use it.
How when naruto just needs to make a clone in order to deal with all of his mokutons? How when naruto can just expand the YRS to attack madara and destroy his mokuton at the same time? And what evidence do you have that only 1 technique would be able to take place in the span of 5 seconds?
Yes,your proof is weak ,you say that naruto attacks can't be absorbed just because madara and kaguya didn't try to absorb it ? Where is the logic here?
Madara DID try to absorb it, itʻs presupposed that he tries to absorb it, but he didnʻt and therefore it proves that he COULDNʻT. Neither could, and I even gave you the argument about kaguya getting far less damaged by the bijuu rasenshuriken than narutoʻs mere chakra claw attack which means unless you believe that narutoʻs chakra claw >>>>>>>>>>>>> bijuu rasenshuriken, then itʻs logically necessary for you to agree with me that kaguya tried to absorb the attack.
Finally, if a character doesnʻt try to do something, then it is positive evidence that they couldnʻt do such, ESPECIALLY if we donʻt know if they can do such a thing.
Based on what there is something prevents madara from using ST or BT while being inside susano
No ,using mouth made katon while being inside Susano means that susano doesn't block what is coming from inside to outside ,I remember that even gara pulled madara from susano's inside ,susano didn't block madara's getting out from it ,he just slipped through it
My argument and proof is stronger than yours
The fact that heʻs the center of the gravity, and susanoo being in between him and the target means that it would get pulled first before the target gets pulled. Based on madara never using the 6 paths abilities while within susanoo. I already explained sasuke using katon through the susanoo, you simply saying "youʻre wrong" is a concession on your part as youʻre ignoring my argument. Madaraʻs susanoo wasnʻt fully formed which is why we could see its ribs and how gaara pulled madara out through the ribs.
See ,that what will happen ,a clone/real madara pulls naruto with BT while the real madara/clone ends naruto with shokewave from ps ,even if naruto managed to charge RS at that time ,PS shokewave would still kill naruto and detonate the RS at his hand
Based on what would PSʻs shockwave kill naruto and detonate the RS in his hand? bijuu rasenshuriken is magnitudes which means multiple tiers above the power of one of Madaraʻs PS shockwaves, it even completely outclasses the shockewaves that Sasukeʻs rikudou senjutsu ps can use, now how in the world is Madaraʻs PS going to detonate that RS or slash before naruto charges and throws it?
What actually happens is madara tries to slash with his PS, naruto throws the rasenshuriken and it cuts madaraʻs PS blade in half and blows up on PSʻs body, killing madara.
The bolded is a flat out ignorance of my argument and therefore a concession on your part. The dragons that madara used on the jins arenʻt soul sucking dragons as they donʻt show the ability to extract souls or eat chakra, and madara had to hit all the bijuus with limbo in order to get the dragons around their necks. Naruto is incomparably faster than the bijuus, an incomparably smaller target and can sense and deal with limbo, he ends madara with a bijuu rasenshuriken if he tries to summon GM and do that.
Now naruto is pushed towards the ground,How would naruto's clone protect him from a wood branches grow from underground right under him ,these wooden branches would make dozens of holes in naruto's body
Based on what is NArutoʻs body not more durable than wood? Based on what can madara use shinra tensei and mokuton at the same time? Based on what can madara even use mokuton while not on the ground? Narutoʻs clone can just throw naruto out of the way or destroy the branch with a rasengan.
When I said madara would make a clone while using deva path? ,madara will have a clone before that ,then he pushes naruto towards the ground while the clone ends him like that
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Madara doesn't need even a clone to perform this strategy ,he can push naruto to the ground then ends him with a susano's sword like I showed
And how does madara get his susanoo sword under naruto? how does madara use susanoo while using shinra tensei at the same time? Why doesnʻt naruto just end madara with a bijuu rasenshuriken? Why doesnʻt narutoʻs clone just destroy the susanoo blade?
Not to mention that if madara put enough force at this ST which pushes naruto to the ground ,that would kill naruto too without a need to Susano or mouktun ,wouldn't it?
Hmm ,yes rinningan's clones isn't like normal ones ,it is invisible ,limbo has better feats than the original in terms of some skills but that doesn't mean the original wouldnt do the same ,saying that limbo is faster than madara is a pure assumption based on no clear statement but with common sense limbo is slower than the original madara or as fast as him at most
Limbo clone showed far greater strength and speed feats when it sent all 9 bijuu flying at what seemed to be the same time. Madara has shown nothing to indicate heʻs on that level of strength or speed. The limbo clone tanked a black chidori from sasuke while madara got sliced in half by a normal chidori eiso.
now where are your arguments that madaraʻs limbo clones arenʻt as strong, fast, durable as madara?
it can be pushed by ST or absorbed by prta after undoing susano or maybe it can be tanked by sm and rikudo chakra enhanced ps or maybe it can be cut/detonated in mid air by shokewave
again....based on what?
If Madara uses ST, naruto throws another one within the time limit. Madara couldnʻt absorb it with preta path when he was a juubi jin, heʻs absolutely not absorbing it without the juubi. Based on what would his PS be able to match the power of the attack or withstand it?
Bro,I swear if you give strong argument and persuading proof ,I will admit that naruto wins ,I am not a fanboy of one of them neither nor I hate one of them ,if you countred all my points and I didn't see any other way for madara to win ,I 'd give up and admit that madara loses ,but as long as you aren't countering my points with strong proof and as long as I can see a way for madara to win ,I won't admit naruto's victory
I am not willing to debate forever since at a certain point ,either me or you will agree with the other ,your saying that you are willing to debate forever till i change can be interpreted by some that agreeing with me isnt one of your options and that you have no intention to agree with me
Thatʻs a complete and utter lie on your part. You arenʻt a fanboy of either of them, youʻre simply biased to an incredibly ridiculous level in whatever opinion youʻve adopted and your arguments conclusively prove that.
How can i offer you ʻconvincing and persuading proofʻ when youʻre the one whoʻs the judge of whatʻs ʻconvincing or persuadingʻ? If I donʻt want to be convinced or persuaded, then I can just reject anything and everything thatʻs thrown at me no matter how much it crushes my own arguments, no matter how compelling it is, no matter how much benefit of the doubt I have to give my own arguments for them to even match the other and at the end of the day i can say "you didnʻt give me convincing and persuading proof". And your arguments explicitly show that when you say that in order for me to convince you, Iʻd have to show that itʻs literally IMPOSSIBLE for madara to win. thatʻs obviously a burden of proof that no one can sustain for pretty much any argument.
If you want to be an actual unbiased debater or poster, if you want to analyze this manga with objectivity, you wonʻt say "prove me wrong, or else Iʻm right", youʻll look at both sides of the argument and youʻll see which case is more compelling or convincing. The manga simply does not give enough information about these characters and abilities for someone to show that itʻs literally impossible for the opposing character to win, however that has nothing to do with judging which character would PROBABLY win, and thatʻs all that can be discussed.
Once again, my gripe with you isnʻt that you disagree with me, my gripe with you is the REASONS that you give for disagreeing with my conclusion as those reasons evaluate both characters by completely different standards. Evaluate both naruto and madara by the same standards as in, if you give madara one ability that he hasnʻt been shown to have, you give naruto an equal buff, and naruto comes out on top every single time. Youʻve had to give preta path literally no limits despite madara showing that he couldnʻt absorb sasukeʻs chidori eiso, black chidori and couldnʻt absorb narutoʻs youton rasenshuriken. Kaguya even showed she couldnʻt completely absorb the blasts of bijuu rasenshuriken barrage.
evaluate both characters by the same standards. Is madara hyped to be above naruto when naruto can dominate Juubi jin madara w/ 1 rinnegan eye?
