EMS sasuke vs war arc kakashi

[Kamui Sama]

I always considered the strategy of going inside the dimension and reappearing valid since Obito did that on a consistent basis

200m seems to far for a kamui snipe right off the bat doe, Sasuke can barrage with enton and susano'o arrows

 

[LuckyMan]

So basically, you still haven't provided a retort that explains why leaving a dimension isn't a forfeit, so you've decide to word your concession in a way that it makes me look like the one who has conceded Lol

You have conceded. Your only reasons are "its not fair" and I proved last page it is fair.

 

[King Of Pop]

I won't debate with you as you are a sasuke’s wanker
bad try to restrict kakashi from attacking with kamui and that isn't happening in a fair fight

kakashi snipes sasuke’s head with kamui, this is the end of the fight Lol
no jutsu sasuke has is faster than using kamui, you are just sasuke’s wanker who think that kashi won't have a split of second to use kamui

lol calling me a wanker, thats rich coming from the same guy who overates kamui and kakashi to terrible extents. i remember you saying shit like war arc kakashi can kamui rinnegan sasuke before he can do anything lol you are not one to talk considering how far up kakashis ass your head is.
concession accepted

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

You have conceded. Your only reasons are "its not fair" and I proved last page it is fair.

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Ok then, by your logic, in a free for all, Obito beats Hashirama and EMS Madara by waiting in the Kamui dimension until both of their reserves are depleted. Give me a break...
But seriously, leaving the dimension=fleeing=loss. It's really simple

 

[ATD]

First off, let me start off by saying you completely took my words out of context. I'm saying in this scenario, the first thing Sasuke is going to do, is summon his hawk. Biting his finger and summoning it takes less than two seconds, as he has done it free falling from a relatively small elevation, you fall at 60 feet per second. That says enough. When he does this, he engages, but instead of simply falling down, he uses Katon: Goukakyuu no Jutsu, which serves as a hindrance and to block Kakashi's LoS

you underrestimate kakashi so much, what is hindering kakashi to see throug sasukes moves and uses this

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he can use it without a water source

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water>fire
the water shark missle would get trough the Goukakyuu.

, when Kakashi sidesteps it, Sasuke lands w/Ribcage Susano'o activated and proceeds to engage Kakashi. Once he engages him, he uses Amaterasu on Kakashi's upper torso and blinds him, Sasuke has the same straight tomoe as Madara, so he should be able to see through clones, as Madara has stated they have the same eyes on two or more occasions

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The water shark bullet would go for a hit, sasuke will block it with ribage susanno, but would still get hit a bit wich slows him down and he can be kamuied out of the air.
Sasuke cant see through clones, madara didnt see trough hashiramas clone, he knew it was not the orginal cause the orginal was using the barrier to hold down te ten tails, i doubt madara overlooked this.
Sasuke wouldnt be able to differ between the shadow clones, even kaguya wasnt able to see trough kage bunshin.

Kakashi will be the superior number ( one of the clones can handle the hawk, while te other one is helping the orginal to defend against sasuke)
If sasuke shots arrows at kakashi the latter can kamui them and shot them back at sasuke

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His two Shadow clones serve nothing more than a hindrance, as I've already explained Sasuke can see through them.

If Kakashi decides to engage in CQC, he gets wrecked by V1 Susano'o, Enton usage (blade) and Raiton enhanced weapons. By no means is Kakashi capable of keeping up with Sasuke in CQC, as the latter has superior precognition, equal speed and slightly superior reflexes.

show me a scan which proves that sasuke is able to see the orginal between the clones with EMS, when even kaguya wasnt able to differ between them.
v1 susanno gets kamuied, since v1 susanno is slow and not that big
Kakashi kept up with obito who kept up with kcm naruto who is on pair with EMS sasuke in speed and taijutsu,
Kakashi is reacting to EMS sasukes hand to hand without much effort.

Since sharingan can see chakra when nothing is blocking its vision, kakashi can see trough amaterasu ( chakra build up in the eye, blood apears)
kakashi has the speed to dodge ama since he kept up with 6 gate guy in speed.

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Underground Bunshins aren't changing much here, Sasuke has canonically fought someone who controlled the entire battlefield (mines below) and bombs above. He will be able to react to Kakashi fairly easy and his Hiding Like a Mole technique in conjunction with Shadow Clones.

Honestly, your whole argument is based off of clone feints and usage, yet Sasuke has experience fighting clones and can see through them. Not only that, but it seems like you are implying Kakashi can spam clones, which he can't.

kakashi wont need to spam clones because his clones will survive a long time, they kept up with the chakra arms of v2 jinchuriki and kakashi together wit an other clone were able to tie the the hand of the gedo

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[LuckyMan]

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Ok then, by your logic, in a free for all, Obito beats Hashirama and EMS Madara by waiting in the Kamui dimension until both of their reserves are depleted. Give me a break...
But seriously, leaving the dimension=fleeing=loss. It's really simple

Lol..... I just said that was not my argument

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Obito can only stay in Kamui dimension for 5 minutes anyway so hes not outlasting Hashirama or Madara anyway.

Your only excuse is 'its not fair' but thats a part of those characters abilities, so it is fair. How is Hiding Like a Mole different from my Kamui point? The user vanishes then reappears, would you like if if I said Kakashi faints with a clone and the real one pops up from underground and snipes him? Would that satisfy you? Its virtually my same Kamui argument.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

Lol..... I just said that was not my argument

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Obito can only stay in Kamui dimension for 5 minutes anyway so hes not outlasting Hashirama or Madara anyway.

Your only excuse is 'its not fair' but thats a part of those characters abilities, so it is fair. How is Hiding Like a Mole different from my Kamui point? The user vanishes then reappears, would you like if if I said Kakashi faints with a clone and the real one pops up from underground and snipes him? Would that satisfy you? Its virtually my same Kamui argument.

1. Obito can only stay intangible for 5 minutes, where was it stated that he can only be in the Kamui dinension for 5 minutes? I also never staes that it was your argument, but it is using the same logic that you are using right now.
2. That's not my only excuse obviously, but if you're going to be that narrow-minded then k.
But once again, leaving te dimension=fleeing. Hiding like a mole is not fleeing because you are still in the battlefield and still actively combating your enemy. And no, while that would be the same perhaps against a non-sensor/doujutsu user, Sasuke would e able to See Kakashi's Chakra undergrouns.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I hear what chocolate is saying. We all know Minato has various places around konoha marked. But he can't just FTG to those locations outside the arena to escape

Yeah. And in the op they'd be restricted.

 

[Omar19992010]

EMS Sasuke takes this low difficulty Low Difficulty

 

[LuckyMan]

1. Obito can only stay intangible for 5 minutes, where was it stated that he can only be in the Kamui dinension for 5 minutes? I also never staes that it was your argument, but it is using the same logic that you are using right now.
2. That's not my only excuse obviously, but if you're going to be that narrow-minded then k.
But once again, leaving te dimension=fleeing. Hiding like a mole is not fleeing because you are still in the battlefield and still actively combating your enemy. And no, while that would be the same perhaps against a non-sensor/doujutsu user, Sasuke would e able to See Kakashi's Chakra undergrouns.

Obito being intangible is him being in the Kamui dimension otherwise he could stay in Kamui dimension and just wait out Konan's 10 minute explosion technique but no, he had to use Izanagi to survive.

As for your second point, the Sharingan merely gives color to chakra, it not Byakugan and can't see through solid objects like the ground, dust, smoke, etc. Itachi or Nagato couldn't spot Kakashi. Kakashi didn't notice Deidara hid underground when he faked-suicide himself. Also with Hiding Like a Mole, Kakashi can go deep and become untraceable, like Deidara did. Deidara went underground in a forest and later reappeared in the desert/mountains.

Also 200 meters out is two football fields so they won't even be able to see each other, at the very least they'd both look like specs to one another. So you're going to have to prove how Sasuke can see Kakashi underground from 200 meters out, differentiate between he and his clone (which he can't), and avoid getting Kamui sniped when the real Kakashi reappears from way beyond his reaches.

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[Selan]

Because disappearing from the location completely is the equivalent of leaving the match. Leaving the match means you forfeit by default. So no, that's not how a fight goes, in the VS section or the Naruto world.

LoL, no. Not when you can come back everytime you want. Kakashi can warp himself in the Kamui dimension, charge his chakra, and then teleport back and insta-warp Susanoo with Sasuke in it without the latter being able to counter. Not to mention that actually Kamui GG on Sasuke is faster than everything Sasuke can do, and probably Sasuke wouldn't even be able to react to it. And even if he could react, nothing can counter Kamui, and Kakashi can change the size and the objective of his warp basically in no time, as seen when he feinted to warp Naruto's Rasengan to warp his full body without Obito realizing, in spite of having full knowledge on the jutsu, Kakashi's intention and top notch reflexes with dojutsu focused on Kakashi's warp. There is also the Gedo arm warped while summoned by Madara.

How does Kakashi counter Amaterasu snipe?

By having knowledge + being the best battle tactician + having top notch skill in feints and trickery (Kage Bunshin, Raiton Kage Bunshin, Doton underground, fooling Pain and Itachi), or simply with Kamui that outspeeds Amaterasu by far.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

Obito being intangible is him being in the Kamui dimension otherwise he could stay in Kamui dimension and just wait out Konan's 10 minute explosion technique but no, he had to use Izanagi to survive.

As for your second point, the Sharingan merely gives color to chakra, it not Byakugan and can't see through solid objects like the ground, dust, smoke, etc. Itachi or Nagato couldn't spot Kakashi. Kakashi didn't notice Deidara hid underground when he faked-suicide himself. Also with Hiding Like a Mole, Kakashi can go deep and become untraceable, like Deidara did. Deidara went underground in a forest and later reappeared in the desert/mountains.

Also 200 meters out is two football fields so they won't even be able to see each other, at the very least they'd both look like specs to one another. So you're going to have to prove how Sasuke can see Kakashi underground from 200 meters out, differentiate between he and his clone (which he can't), and avoid getting Kamui sniped when the real Kakashi reappears from way beyond his reaches.

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Intangibility and being completely in the Kamui dimension are very different things pal, and the reason he couldn't warp to the Kamui dimension was because he needs to physically manifest before going there, and he would have been injured if he tried to go there, thus he had to resort to Izanagi.

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Even without my glasses I am able to see a person from one end of a football field to another perfectly fine( I play football, so this is not made up)

Double the distance, and of course I wouldn't recognize who the person is, but I would still be able to tell that there's someone there.
Now you're going to tell me that a trained ninja with the Sharingan would not be able to see a chakra signature from that far away? Sasuke would notice any bunshin, because two Chakra signatures would show up.. Also, how would Kakashi even formulate a plan this quick? Odds are, Sasuke will be running to Kakashi right when the battle starts instead of sitting there allowing Kakashi to think.

 

[wael reda]

lol calling me a wanker, thats rich coming from the same guy who overates kamui and kakashi to terrible extents. i remember you saying shit like war arc kakashi can kamui rinnegan sasuke before he can do anything lol you are not one to talk considering how far up kakashis ass your head is.
concession accepted

I am the guy who said that sasuke in his s/t cool down can't avoid kcm kakashi’s kamui

but you are the guy who said sasuke can beat prime madara, or kakashi won't have a split second to use kamui on EMS sasuke

 

[EZQ]

Restrict kamui snipe from the first instant or kakashi wins

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Kakashi warped the gedo mazo's arm (around sasuke's susano's size) in an instant. Faster than the summoning jutsu (wich is an st jutsu). And EMS Sasuke doesn't have ST. So if you don't restrict Kamui snipe from the very first beggining, kakashi wins.

 

[DMT]

kakashi can leave the area and come back later

i didnt say otherwise

 

[lanakui8]

sasuke wrecks.

Kakashi tries to kamui him, he eats an amaterasu. Kakashi has only used nigh-instant offensive kamui when the object is either right in his face (gedo mazou) else he has to take time to focus on the target. sasuke has been shown to fire off amaterasu much faster than that at long ranges, and with full knowledge kakashi isnʻt getting in close range before getting arrowed or amaterasuʻd.