EMS sasuke vs war arc kakashi

[wael reda]

The people who say kakashi wins are most likely sasuke haters.

Kamui GG? Kakashi can only spam it about 3-4 max before he gets tired. Once that happens sasuke blitzes kakashi and we all know he cant react.

MS sasuke gave kakashi a hard time and sasuke was worn out.

what !!??3 or 4 times, I think you are stuck in diedra arc, but here we speak about war arc Lol
kakashi can use kamui like 7 times with other techs like raiki ,lightning raiki. ..etc

not to mention that 1 offensive kamui can end this fight Lol

sasuke isn't blitzing here

 

[AizenSosuke]

How does Sasuke counter a kamui snipe?

How does Kakashi counter Amaterasu snipe?

 

[wael reda]

How does Kakashi counter Amaterasu snipe?

amatrasu gets warped by kamui

 

[LuckyMan]

No, not at all. Obito physically leaves the dimension, but he's spiritually still in the battlefield, therefor, it's not a forfeit.
Nor did I ever state that Kamui is restricted. Kakashi is still able to snipe, but he can not warp himself to the Kamui dimension or else it is a forfeit.

Its not a forfeit, its one of the chief perks of Kamui, something Obito takes advantage of all the time. Who makes up these rules? Who decided if Kakashi goes to Kamui dimension he automatically loses? It seems like an excuse when one has no more legs to stand on. Unless Kamui is restricted in some way in the OP (which it is not in this case) then it still stands and Kakashi can use all his Kamui abilities.


BFR
OBD Concepts
Short for Battle Field Removal or By ****ing Ringout

BFR is the tactic of defeating an opponent by expelling them from the battle area, so that they cannot return under their own power within a reasonable amount of time. Like Speedblitzing, BFR is often not used by characters who are capable of doing so in actual storylines, often due to PIS. However, in the OBD it is considered a legitimate tactic.

Examples of BFR:

- Trapping someone in another dimension
- Burying someone underground (if they can't break out)
- Sending someone to a different time
- Throwing someone into space (if they are stronger and the enemy have no way to return by themselves)
- Throwing/hitting someone so far away that it would take an unrealistic amount of time for them to return


So no, Kaguya sending Sasuke to the Ice dimension is not a forfeit, its a legitimate win. Kakashi going to the Kamui dimension is not a forfeit either, he has the means to bring himself back anytime he wishes and like I said, its not like hes going to sit there, he goes for just a sec, comes back to real world in Sasukes blind spot and snipes him. Game over.

 

[King Of Pop]

=wael reda;17399468]Lol, you make your sasuke attack and attack while kakashi stands there doing nothing but defending, that is BS and unfair

nope, sasuke just has more variety of long ranged attacks, while the only thing worth noting for kakashi is kamui which is countered. sasuke also has better reactions(he reactionary movement allowed him tag juubito) hence with his superior all round firepower he overwhelms kakashi.

sasuke has no jutsu faster than kamui snipe, so If there is one who is going attack first, that one will be kakashi ,but even if sasuke attacked first, kakashi will counter then attack, he won't stand there waiting for sasuke’s second attack, that is unfair

nope, from 200m kamui snipe is not happening as sasuke reactions allow him use amaterasu and kagusuchi to pressure kakashi and then soosano to kill him off. like i said before kamui is the only attack kakashi has here that troubles sasuke, he has nothing else and once your only hope of winning can be countered easily then you simply lose. arrows pressured him in canon to use kamui for defensive purposes, sasuke literally has more were that came from as well as amaterasu.

susano arrows can be countred by going underground(fast and doesn't need hand signs), kamui isn't needed

then sasuke simply bombards him with soosano attacks.

one look and sasuke head gets warped away by kamui

pls drop that disgusting wank. from 200m sasuke can easily set up attacks that can pressurize kakashi. i can also say one look and kakashi gets amaterasu sniped, that type of argument works both ways.

saying kakashi won't attack with kamui snipe because sasuke will keep him in the defensive mode is BS, you better restrict kamui snipe and then I will agree with you

sasuke has more firepower under his sleeve, he has more deadly long ranged attacks here, a quick amaterasu is all it takes to start things off hence its easy to see why kakashi would be defensive. theres no need restricting kamui when he gets stomped regardless of it. that shit is way overwanked.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

Its not a forfeit, its one of the chief perks of Kamui, something Obito takes advantage of all the time. Who makes up these rules? Who decided if Kakashi goes to Kamui dimension he automatically loses? It seems like an excuse when one has no more legs to stand on. Unless Kamui is restricted in some way in the OP (which it is not in this case) then it still stands and Kakashi can use all his Kamui abilities.


BFR
OBD Concepts
Short for Battle Field Removal or By ****ing Ringout

BFR is the tactic of defeating an opponent by expelling them from the battle area, so that they cannot return under their own power within a reasonable amount of time. Like Speedblitzing, BFR is often not used by characters who are capable of doing so in actual storylines, often due to PIS. However, in the OBD it is considered a legitimate tactic.

Examples of BFR:

- Trapping someone in another dimension
- Burying someone underground (if they can't break out)
- Sending someone to a different time
- Throwing someone into space (if they are stronger and the enemy have no way to return by themselves)
- Throwing/hitting someone so far away that it would take an unrealistic amount of time for them to return



So no, Kaguya sending Sasuke to the Ice dimension is not a forfeit, its a legitimate win. Kakashi going to the Kamui dimension is not a forfeit either, he has the means to bring himself back anytime he wishes and like I said, its not like hes going to sit there, he goes for just a sec, comes back to real world in Sasukes blind spot and snipes him. Game over.

It does not matter whether or not the character can return, a ringout is a ringout. Kakashi leaving the dimension both physically and spiritually is an automatic loss as he can no longer participate in the duel. This isn't the WWE where you are allowes to leave for an alloted amount of time before you must return. Kaguya sending Sasuke to the Ice dimenaion is a legitimate win because Sasuke is unable to participate in the duel. There would be no point in a duel if one of the characters are able to disappear from the battlefield for an indefinite amout of time and come back whenever they flee. As states before, unless specified in the OP, leaving the battlefield is a loss. You can go create a copy of this thread except specifiying that leaving the battlefield is not a loss, then there wouldn't be a problem.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

It does not matter whether or not the character can return, a ringout is a ringout. Kakashi leaving the dimension both physically and spiritually is an automatic loss as he can no longer participate in the duel. This isn't the WWE where you are allowes to leave for an alloted amount of time before you must return. Kaguya sending Sasuke to the Ice dimenaion is a legitimate win because Sasuke is unable to participate in the duel. There would be no point in a duel if one of the characters are able to disappear from the battlefield for an indefinite amout of time and come back whenever they flee. As states before, unless specified in the OP, leaving the battlefield is a loss. You can go create a copy of this thread except specifiying that leaving the battlefield is not a loss, then there wouldn't be a problem.

Ring out? Where's that statement in the op?

 

[wael reda]

nope, sasuke just has more variety of long ranged attacks, while the only thing worth noting for kakashi is kamui which is countered. sasuke also has better reactions(he reactionary movement allowed him tag juubito) hence with his superior all round firepower he overwhelms kakashi.


nope, from 200m kamui snipe is not happening as sasuke reactions allow him use amaterasu and kagusuchi to pressure kakashi and then soosano to kill him off. like i said before kamui is the only attack kakashi has here that troubles sasuke, he has nothing else and once your only hope of winning can be countered easily then you simply lose. arrows pressured him in canon to use kamui for defensive purposes, sasuke literally has more were that came from as well as amaterasu.


then sasuke simply bombards him with soosano attacks.


pls drop that disgusting wank. from 200m sasuke can easily set up attacks that can pressurize kakashi. i can also say one look and kakashi gets amaterasu sniped, that type of argument works both ways.


sasuke has more firepower under his sleeve, he has more deadly long ranged attacks here, a quick amaterasu is all it takes to start things off hence its easy to see why kakashi would be defensive. theres no need restricting kamui when he gets stomped regardless of it. that shit is way overwanked.

yes kakashi can snipe him from 200 m if He is well sighted and sasuke has no way to counter kamui snipe ,even if kakashi isnt well sighted he can just get closer and snipe sasuke ,sasuke himself will need to get closer to attack
kakashi has a good reactions feats too, exhausted kakashi felt jin madara behind him and turned his head
whatever, reactions won't do shits here

sasuke’s only long range attack is susano arrows( I doubt that sasuke can shot it from 200 m) which kakashi can counter by going under ground,
amatrasu gets warped by kamui

if you want to restrict kakashi’s offensive kamui, then just say it and I would agree that sasuke wins
but saying kakashi won't attack with kamui just to make sasuke win is BS

 

[LuckyMan]

It does not matter whether or not the character can return, a ringout is a ringout. Kakashi leaving the dimension both physically and spiritually is an automatic loss as he can no longer participate in the duel. This isn't the WWE where you are allowes to leave for an alloted amount of time before you must return. Kaguya sending Sasuke to the Ice dimenaion is a legitimate win because Sasuke is unable to participate in the duel. There would be no point in a duel if one of the characters are able to disappear from the battlefield for an indefinite amout of time and come back whenever they flee. As states before, unless specified in the OP, leaving the battlefield is a loss. You can go create a copy of this thread except specifiying that leaving the battlefield is not a loss, then there wouldn't be a problem.

I'm not that bothered that I need to go make an additional thread about this issue. Obito limit in Kamui dimension is 5 minutes so Kakashi's should be that or even less if we don't count plot no jutsu. My argument is not that Kakashi goes to Kamui land and outlasts Sasuke, its that he vanishes and reappears behind Sasuke and snipes him. This is not going to take 5 minutes, at the very least it will take 30-45 seconds.

By your logic I guess theres no point in making versus threads with people like Deidara, Muu, Onoki, Gaara, Sasuke, etc considering they have the ability to fly out of the battle field indefinitely and come back when they wish.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

Ring out? Where's that statement in the op?

You can't leave a fight or else it's a forfeit, this is common knowledge. The OP must state that Kakashi is allowed to leave or warping to the Kamui dimension is a loss.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

I'm not that bothered that I need to go make an additional thread about this issue. Obito limit in Kamui dimension is 5 minutes so Kakashi's should be that or even less if we don't count plot no jutsu. My argument is not that Kakashi goes to Kamui land and outlasts Sasuke, its that he vanishes and reappears behind Sasuke and snipes him. This is not going to take 5 minutes, at the very least it will take 30-45 seconds.

By your logic I guess theres no point in making versus threads with people like Deidara, Muu, Onoki, Gaara, Sasuke, etc considering they have the ability to fly out of the battle field indefinitely and come back when they wish.

The people you mentioned don't literally leave the dimension, but since you brought it up, if they happen to leave the battlefield while they are flying, then obviously it is a forfeit.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You can't leave a fight or else it's a forfeit, this is common knowledge. The OP must state that Kakashi is allowed to leave or warping to the Kamui dimension is a loss.

bold is baseless.
If anything it's up to the op to restrict leaving.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

bold is baseless.
If anything it's up to the op to restrict leaving.

It's not baseless
If you fight someone, and you run away from the fight(leave the dimension) it's a loss. Otherwise people like Minato can just go to the hospital in the middle of a fight and return when he's fully rested.

 

[LuckyMan]

The people you mentioned don't literally leave the dimension, but sice you brougt it up, if they happen to leave the battlefield while they are flying, then obviously it is a forfeit.

So if these characters fly to a height where their opponents cant reach them then it should also be a forfeit considering the opponent cant harm and attack them right? It would be one person fighting a person who cant do anything in return right? So whats the point of fighting right? Yet in all threads with these characters its commonly accepted that Deidara flies out of everyones range and bombs them to no end, that Sasuke gets on his bird and shoot arrows to no end, that Onoki/Muu fly up and nuke people, that Gaara flies up and drowns people with his sand. This is commonly accepted even if the opponent has no way to harm them from that height because its one of the perks of being who they are.

Your acting like my argument revolves around Kakashi leaving forever, he goes for a few seconds, returns and snipes. Its no different from him vanishing underground with hiding like a mole then reappearing to snipe Sasuke.

 

[King Of Pop]

=wael reda;17399938]yes kakashi can snipe him from 200 m if He is well sighted and sasuke has no way to counter kamui snipe
kakashi has a good reactions feats too, exhausted kakashi felt jin madara behind him and turned his head
whatever, reactions won't do shits here

he cant snipe shit when sasuke pressures him, how is it so hard to understand? once sasuke uses amaterasu he follows it up, like ive explained earlier, just drop the kamui sniping its not happening. reactions means sasuke can execute his attacks quickly.

sasuke’s only long range attack is susano arrows( I doubt that sasuke can shot it from 200 m) which kakashi can counter by going under ground,
amatrasu gets warped by kamui

arrows, kagutsuchi and amaterasu and enton magatamas can be used from all long range. he can shoot it from anywere and if kakashi goes underground then like i said sasuke would bombard him with soosano cqc attacks. hiding underground wont save him.

if you want to restrict kakashi’s offensive kamui, then just say it and I would agree that sasuke wins
but saying kakashi won't attack with kamui just to make sasuke win is BS

he gets stomped with kamui, without it, he gets stomped more easily. i already stated why kamui is a non factor and how sasuke nullifies it, so stop crying.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

So if these characters fly to a height where their opponents cant reach them then it should also be a forfeit considering the opponent cant harm and attack them right? It would be one person fighting a person who cant do anything in return right? So whats the point of fighting right? Yet in all threads with these characters its commonly accepted that Deidara flies out of everyones range and bombs them to no end, that Sasuke gets on his bird and shoot arrows to no end, that Onoki/Muu fly up and nuke people, that Gaara flies up and drowns people with his sand. This is commonly accepted even if the opponent has no way to harm them from that height because its one of the perks of being who they are.

Your acting like my argument revolves around Kakashi leaving forever, he goes for a few seconds, returns and snipes. Its no different from him vanishing underground with hiding like a mole then reappearing to snipe Sasuke.

But the fact of the matter is, they are atill able to harm their opponent, and they are still within the range of the battlefield.
Sure Deidara hovering above Sakura's jump height may be cheap, but it's still an effective strategy and doesn't involve him fleeing.

Kakashi literally disappearing from the area so that he's unbeatable is pretty much fleeing and should not be counted in a battle.
Hiding Like a Mole is valid because you are still in the viscinity of your opponent.

 

[LuckyMan]

But the fact of the matter is, they are atill able to harm their opponent, and they are still within the range of the battlefield.
Sure Deidara hovering above Sakura's jump height may be cheap, but it's still an effective strategy and doesn't involve him fleeing.

Kakashi literally disappearing from the area so that he's unbeatable is pretty much fleeing and should not be counted in a battle.
Hiding Like a Mole is valid because you are still in the viscinity of your opponent.

Okay you're repeating yourself now I'm done with this. I'll just accept you conceded that Sasuke loses unless Kamui is restricted. Good debate.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

Okay you're repeating yourself now I'm done with this. I'll just accept you conceded that Sasuke loses unless Kamui is restricted. Good debate.

So basically, you still haven't provided a retort that explains why leaving a dimension isn't a forfeit, so you've decide to word your concession in a way that it makes me look like the one who has conceded Lol

 

[Stxluciferr]

I hear what chocolate is saying. We all know Minato has various places around konoha marked. But he can't just FTG to those locations outside the arena to escape

 

[wael reda]

he cant snipe shit when sasuke pressures him, how is it so hard to understand? once sasuke uses amaterasu he follows it up, like ive explained earlier, just drop the kamui sniping its not happening. reactions means sasuke can execute his attacks quickly.


arrows, kagutsuchi and amaterasu and enton magatamas can be used from all long range. he can shoot it from anywere and if kakashi goes underground then like i said sasuke would bombard him with soosano cqc attacks. hiding underground wont save him.



he gets stomped with kamui, without it, he gets stomped more easily. i already stated why kamui is a non factor and how sasuke nullifies it, so stop crying.

I won't debate with you as you are a sasuke’s wanker
bad try to restrict kakashi from attacking with kamui and that isn't happening in a fair fight

kakashi snipes sasuke’s head with kamui, this is the end of the fight Lol
no jutsu sasuke has is faster than using kamui, you are just sasuke’s wanker who think that kashi won't have a split of second to use kamui