Rinnegan SM Madara vs Juubi Madara

[Blunt]

That was from a weaker Jin, but still, I see your point. How am I overrating Gudou Dama ? I just asked how he's accomplishing such feat Lol

People in general overrate Goudama, when it's been shown to be broken a few times by attacks inferior to PS and it's DC. BSM cloak has higher durability.

I was hoping you didn't overrate it, after seeing your post I can see you don't, just had to state my thoughts.

 

[KidGamer65]

He didn't actually merge with it, he just hid inside it.

I'm 100% sure he merged with it. When he reappeared there were no holes in the branch.

Flattening the tree will only cause the partially formed Bijuu Dama to explode and Madara would get obliterated.

It'd cause the Bijuu Dama to stop charging. Why would this cause it to explode while cutting it doesn't? Regardless, he can cut it.

 

[RustledJimmies]

Ok, I change my mind, SM Madara wins.

I'm 100% sure he merged with it. When he reappeared there were no holes in the branch.

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Not to mention that Susano'o sword stabbed the Mokuton from the inside as shown in the previous page, if he was actually merged, it would simply come out like Zetsu does.

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[Blunt]

Ok, I change my mind, SM Madara wins.

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Not to mention that Susano'o sword stabbed the Mokuton from the inside as shown in the previous page, if he was actually merged, it would simply come out like Zetsu does.

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Hm, good points. I guess Madara doesn't have Mayfly, though you would think logically he should have it. Eh, still doesn't change much in the long run.

 

[wael reda]

By cutting the tree with Perfect Susanoo. Or flattening it with a Nagato level CST on steroids.



Madara during the Gai fight isn't immortal, so PS chops him up.



Nope, he can't absorb all of that.

he doesn't need to absorb all that
I mean ,can't he stand there inside the blast of jiubidoma surrounding himself with preta path barrier so that no chakra can surpass the barrier and reach him ?

it is just like what jiubiobito did ,he stood there inside the blast of the 4 jiubidoma surrounding himself with gudomas, he didn't erase the whole blast but still no chakra has surpassed gudomas’s ball/barrier which surrounded him, alright?

maybe i am wrong , what do you think?

 

[Blackdeath667]

let it be known that jj madara can do any thing sm madara can do plus his jj abilities

 

[Blunt]

let it be known that jj madara can do any thing sm madara can do plus his jj abilities

No he cannot, it's a fact he cannot utilize the Six Paths or PS without both eyes.

The only path he has used is Outer Path(Which isn't part of the Six Paths) and Preta, which is debatable.

 

[Benjamin King]

No he cannot, it's a fact he cannot utilize the Six Paths or PS without both eyes.

The only path he has used is Outer Path(Which isn't part of the Six Paths) and Preta, which is debatable.

When did the manga say Six Paths or PS can't be used without both eyes?​

 

[wael reda]

cant jin madara use regular jiubidoma to avoid the prep time weakness, regular jiubi doma was showed to be charged really fast, so the opponent wont have time to cut the tree down, alright?

also which tree do you talk about? is it the godtree or just this branch which obito used to charge 4 jiubi domas?

 

[Blunt]

When did the manga say Six Paths or PS can't be used without both eyes?​

The mere fact that you cannot pull out your full power without both eyes (PS) and he has never used a single Path with one Rinnegan. I can't be bothered to pull any scans, I'm on mobile and about to head out in a minute here.

 

[Benjamin King]

cant jin madara use regular jiubidoma to avoid the prep time weakness, regular jiubi doma was showed to be charged really fast, so the opponent wont have time to cut the tree down, alright?

also which tree do you talk about? is it the godtree or just this branch which obito used to charge 4 jiubi domas?

He can, but there are ways for SM Madara to render it useless.

-Mokuton: Jukai Koutan was noted to be able to catch Juubi's TBB - stated by Hashirama.
-He can absorb it before it explodes.
-CT can block it.​

The mere fact that you cannot pull out your full power without both eyes (PS) and he has never used a single Path with one Rinnegan. I can't be bothered to pull any scans, I'm on mobile and about to head out in a minute here.

6 Paths aren't the full power of the Rinnegan nor PS is, as manga never said they were. @Underlined, he used Limbo which is stronger and more versatile than the 6 Paths. As Edo Tensei, possessing fake eyes and lacking his full power, was able to use Tengai Shensei and Preta Path. Obito with one eye claimed to be able to use Human Path.

Once again, where did the manga ever say 6 Paths or PS are directly full power of both eyes?​

 

[RustledJimmies]

Hm, good points. I guess Madara doesn't have Mayfly, though you would think logically he should have it. Eh, still doesn't change much in the long run.

He should have it, but he doesn't need it tbh, if he does, then he can just use Mokuton to get out of the barrier (seeing as Mokuton comes from the ground, it should be able to be used outside of the barrier, allowing him to get inside it and come out of it outside the barrier).

 

[wael reda]

He can, but there are ways for SM Madara to render it useless.

-Mokuton: Jukai Koutan was noted to be able to catch Juubi's TBB - stated by Hashirama.
-He can absorb it before it explodes.
-CT can block it.​

6 Paths aren't the full power of the Rinnegan nor PS is, as manga never said they were. @Underlined, he used Limbo which is stronger and more versatile than the 6 Paths. As Edo Tensei, possessing fake eyes and lacking his full power, was able to use Tengai Shensei and Preta Path. Obito with one eye claimed to be able to use Human Path.

Once again, where did the manga ever say 6 Paths or PS are directly full power of both eyes?​

- you have no proof that madara can absorb something so big and fast like juibi’s regular ttb

also it can be shot not directly at madara but a few metres away and the range of the blast will still kill him
- CT isn't blocking anything not with jiubi’s regular ttb blast range

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-catching kyiubi’s regular ttb isn't like catching jiubi’s regular ttb,jiubi ttb can move through countiries at just few seconds ,even if he could, what would happen after catching it? it would still explode, alright?

the only way to survive jiubi’s ttb is preta path but not by absorbing it before exploding or even after exploding ,see the post # 25 in this thread and tell me your opinion, am I right or wrong?

 

[lucario14]

So this is sage mode dual rinnegan madara vs jj one rinnegan madara? madara's susanoo would be similar in power to sasuke's kyuusanoo with naruto's bsm avatar and jugo's energy. Since juubito was defeated I guess jj madara would be defeated too but madara has slightly more power (since he has hachibi and half kyuubi) so I'll give it to jj madara high diff.

 

[Benjamin King]

- you have no proof that madara can absorb something so big and fast like juibi’s regular ttb

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also it can be shot not directly at madara but a few metres away and the range of the blast will still kill him

Tell that to the Shinobi Alliance, who were in range with Naruto's BijuuRasenshuriken.​

- CT isn't blocking anything not with jiubi’s regular ttb blast range

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Naruto's attack had similar blast to that. CT just needs to be put in front.​

-catching kyiubi’s regular ttb isn't like catching jiubi’s regular ttb,jiubi ttb can move through countiries at just few seconds ,even if he could, what would happen after catching it? it would still explode, alright?

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the only way to survive jiubi’s ttb is preta path but not by absorbing it before exploding or even after exploding ,see the post # 25 in this thread and tell me your opinion, am I right or wrong?

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he doesn't need to absorb all that
I mean ,can't he stand there inside the blast of jiubidoma surrounding himself with preta path barrier so that no chakra can surpass the barrier and reach him ?

it is just like what jiubiobito did ,he stood there inside the blast of the 4 jiubidoma surrounding himself with gudomas, he didn't erase the whole blast but still no chakra has surpassed gudomas’s ball/barrier which surrounded him, alright?

maybe i am wrong , what do you think?

Your explanation is somewhat plausible.​

 

[Omar19992010]

No he cannot, it's a fact he cannot utilize the Six Paths or PS without both eyes.

The only path he has used is Outer Path(Which isn't part of the Six Paths) and Preta, which is debatable.

He used Deva Path when he stopped Sasuke in Mid Air.

 

[lucario14]

He used Deva Path when he stopped Sasuke in Mid Air.

I think it might have been limbo. Deva path can push and pull, how was he holding him up stationary like that?

 

[Blunt]

He used Deva Path when he stopped Sasuke in Mid Air.

Yeah you are right, I myself said it was Deva Path. Though, that is a debatable point.

6 Paths aren't the full power of the Rinnegan nor PS is, as manga never said they were. @Underlined, he used Limbo which is stronger and more versatile than the 6 Paths. As Edo Tensei, possessing fake eyes and lacking his full power, was able to use Tengai Shensei and Preta Path. Obito with one eye claimed to be able to use Human Path.

Once again, where did the manga ever say 6 Paths or PS are directly full power of both eyes?​

It was said about Obito and it was implied with Madara by Obito. PS is Madara's full power, and since the Rinnegan itself is consistent of chakra, it would only make sense that with them, he can utilize it at it's fullest.

Though I guess you have a point.

 

[Benjamin King]

I think it might have been limbo. Deva path can push and pull, how was he holding him up stationary like that?

Deva Path can levitate anything on air. [

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] Sasuke was being levitated and pulled down straight to the sword. Limbo has never noted to do such thing.

And I do remember Blunt said this. Sounds like hypocrisy. ​

 

[lucario14]

Deva Path can levitate anything on air. [

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] Sasuke was being levitated and pulled down straight to the sword. Limbo has never noted to do such thing.

And I do remember Blunt said this. Sounds like hypocrisy. ​

wouldn't it make more sense to think that the limbo clone was holding him in place? Sasuke can't see the limbo, but he certainly felt it.