[Predictions] Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

[Pervyy]

The MS powers were a complete gift to him, that's true. But, Sasuke isn't complete trash either. Some points:

1) Sasuke did train for a long time with Orochimaru. We know that he trained hard every day during that time.
2) Orochimaru was said on many occasions to know many Jutsus. Sasuke has sharingan which allows him to instantly learn any hand sign. We have to assume Sasuke learned many jutsus during this time (even though we haven't seen him use too many)
3) Sasuke did drastically improve his Chidori ability, and his ability to stream lightning chakra into his sword. His ability to stream chakra into his sword was shown as equal or even superior to the abilities of the Samurai in the land of Iron, and the Hachibi.
4) As part of his training we do know that Sasuke has become very fast and talented with his sword and taijutsu.

So the MS did come free without him having to earn it properly, but his other abilities came after hard training and are powerful in their own right.

Thats not hard training, he was born with a KG that allows him to instantly copy techniques, he was born a genius and doesnt have to work hard, on the other hand naruto works and trains hard because he cant just copy his technique, sasuke is jsut lucky!

 

[Whiteknight]

Im not sure about danzo being better than itachi, i think itachi would win there

I agree with this. Itachi was known to be a genius and knows more about the capabilities of the sharingan than sasuke does. Everything Sasuke knows about the sharingan he learned from Itachi, after all. Madara knows about Izanagi, it's not hard to imagine that Itachi heard rumors about it as well in his time.

Not to mention that Itachi was considered a genius and extremely talented with Genjutsu. Itachi wouldn't be wasting chakra as quickly or extravagantly as Sasuke is in the battle with Danzou right now.

We don't know for certain, but if what Madara said is true it's possible that Itachi let Sasuke win, so their fight doesn't mean that Sasuke is more powerful than Itachi.

Keep in mind that we haven't seen the conclusion to the Sasuke vs Danzou battle, and Danzou apparently has a lot of tricks. At this point I think Itachi would be beating Danzou, but we haven't seen all of Danzou's secrets yet.

In the mythical battle of Sasuke vs Pain, I think Pain would have won. Pain had access to all 5 elements, and Sasuke only uses lightning and fire. Pain could easily have used complimentary elements to turn chidori and fire attacks back at Sasuke. Also, Pain's gravity attacks would have been unbeatable by Sasuke. Remember that Naruto needed to upgrade to 8-tailed fox mode to break out of the one gravity attack, that's power that Sasuke cannot match (especially without his cursed seal). One Pain can summon many monsters (which Naruto could beat in Sage mode, but Sasuke doesn't have sage mode), one Pain can absorb ninjutsu (Which, I think, would include amaterasu), one Pain can steal souls from the body (which we never saw a decent defense to, Naruto killed that one with a surprise Rasen Shuruken). Deva Pain has a 5 second window on his Shinra Tensei though, which would have given Sasuke plenty of time (Remember how fast Sasuke is).

 

[Pervyy]

I agree with this. Itachi was known to be a genius and knows more about the capabilities of the sharingan than sasuke does. Everything Sasuke knows about the sharingan he learned from Itachi, after all. Madara knows about Izanagi, it's not hard to imagine that Itachi heard rumors about it as well in his time.

Not to mention that Itachi was considered a genius and extremely talented with Genjutsu. Itachi wouldn't be wasting chakra as quickly or extravagantly as Sasuke is in the battle with Danzou right now.

We don't know for certain, but if what Madara said is true it's possible that Itachi let Sasuke win, so their fight doesn't mean that Sasuke is more powerful than Itachi.

Keep in mind that we haven't seen the conclusion to the Sasuke vs Danzou battle, and Danzou apparently has a lot of tricks. At this point I think Itachi would be beating Danzou, but we haven't seen all of Danzou's secrets yet.

In the mythical battle of Sasuke vs Pain, I think Pain would have won. Pain had access to all 5 elements, and Sasuke only uses lightning and fire. Pain could easily have used complimentary elements to turn chidori and fire attacks back at Sasuke. Also, Pain's gravity attacks would have been unbeatable by Sasuke. Remember that Naruto needed to upgrade to 8-tailed fox mode to break out of the one gravity attack, that's power that Sasuke cannot match (especially without his cursed seal). One Pain can summon many monsters (which Naruto could beat in Sage mode, but Sasuke doesn't have sage mode), one Pain can absorb ninjutsu (Which, I think, would include amaterasu), one Pain can steal souls from the body (which we never saw a decent defense to, Naruto killed that one with a surprise Rasen Shuruken). Deva Pain has a 5 second window on his Shinra Tensei though, which would have given Sasuke plenty of time (Remember how fast Sasuke is).

while deva pain was recharging another path of pain would be fighting so sasuke would just lose

 

[zed]

it would be crazy if Naruto breathing problem and him passing out is the awaking of his bloodline limit. i think right now he is having the strongest emotions of his life. Ya i know Naruto has been emotionally and physically hurt before. but because of his personality not much gets to him long( he is a care free sprit), and physically the fox makes sure he always makes it.

but it seems most of the bloodline abilities are awaked by high levels of stress, maybe Naruto learning he may have lost sasuke completely and that he should be the one how kills him(or don't get in the way of sasuke being killed) has pushed him over the tipping point.

I think this would be the perfect time to give naruto a gift from his ancestors, a strong bloodline ability to complement the fox, sage mode, and naruto's style but improve on his weaknesses.

yeah i wud like to see that like "SAGE OF THOUSAND PATHS"

 

[zed]

now that we are seeing the sharingan or the MS true powers can we really say that Rinnegan is the strongest of the three Eye powers. That brought me to the question that if Danzou had fought Pain when he was invading Konoha who would have won. Most of the guys said that there was no way Danzou would have ever won against the Six Paths of Pain.
So now i ask this question who would have won if Pain fought Itachi or Pain fought Sasuke. I'm not comparing Sasuke with Itachi as we all know Itachi never intended to kill Sasuke so he never showed his TRUE powers (even Zetsu said that Itachi's performance was terrible although it can also be bcoz of his disease). so the MS vs Rinnegan which is the stronger. Naruto got extremely lucky bcoz he didn't had to fought all the six pains from the beginning as God Realm Pain fought after all or almost all the others were killed, plus he was prepared bringing all the powerful frogs and he came in Sage mode, he also used the fox's chakra to get out of one of Pain's strongest jutsus.

so guys who would have won : Itachi vs Pain, Sasuke vs Pain
and which is the strongest MS or Rinnegan
my guess is Rinnegan is has to be the strongest as the Sage had awesome powers plus we saw what Nagato can do with the Rinnegan

Its my opninion but i think Naruto characters from strongest to less strong is as follows:
Pain: He defeated Jiraya!!
Jiraya: I think he was more powerfull than itachi (specially in sage mode as genjutsu wont work on him due to sage frogs and rest he can handle... i think)
Itachi: Didn't fought sasuke on his full potential
Then comes Naruto and Sasuke (both seem to be equally powerful to me)

I havn't added many other characters!!! cuz cant think of them right now

 

[zed]

I know

My favourite quote from kakashi is:

"In the ninja world, those who break the rules are scum, that's true, but those who abandon their friends are worse than scum."
"I won't allow my comrades to die. I'll protect you with my life. Trust me"

I think the first quote is not Kakashi's, its Obito's... (Kakashi only copied it!!)

 

[Whiteknight]

while deva pain was recharging another path of pain would be fighting so sasuke would just lose

Naruto had good success fighting them one at a time. Also, Naruto figured out quickly which one of the Pains was able to bring the other 5 to life. Like in any video game, kill the healer first. I think Sasuke would have figured that out too.

However, Naruto also had a lot of other data about Pain from the previous combatants. Would Sasuke have had that same background info?

Pain has been on Akatsuki with Itachi for a while and would know things about Sharingan, and the Uchiha use of fire style. Pain had been to the Uchiha shrine (we know that there were words written that could only be read by Rinnegan users).

You're right, Sasuke would just lose.

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

The fact that Pain was the leader of Akatsuki not Itachi proves that Pain was stronger than Itachi. Well we never saw Itachi using his true powers as he never intended to kill Sasuke. However Jiraiya in my view is stronger than Itachi, remember Itachi saying "taking him head on will not be good even if we increase our numbers" but Oro never got a chance of beating Itachi and at the same time we heard and saw Oro and Jiraiya fought n no one was able to win( i think Jiraiya tried not to kill him first and when fighting alongside Tsunade he was could only use 30% of his chakra) its quite weird.

Also Danzou doesn't have the Izanagi proves that u dont have the MS then u need more than two sharingan eyes to use it
Finally my guess on Kakashi getting or awakening MS is that he copied Itachi's MS or his Sharingan remembers the MS powers so he was able to use it. I heard some poeople saying that each person's MS powers vary(like Kakashi can use dimentional jutsu) i agree with that. Same goes for the Sharingan. In my view Kakashi's (Obito's) Sharingan is the ultimate when its come to copying.

 

[Whiteknight]

Its my opninion but i think Naruto characters from strongest to less strong is as follows:
Pain: He defeated Jiraya!!
Jiraya: I think he was more powerfull than itachi (specially in sage mode as genjutsu wont work on him due to sage frogs and rest he can handle... i think)
Itachi: Didn't fought sasuke on his full potential
Then comes Naruto and Sasuke (both seem to be equally powerful to me)

I havn't added many other characters!!! cuz cant think of them right now

Jiraya is quite powerful, definitely more poweful than Tsunade I think. At least, his power was focused more on fighting and hers more on healing.

Naruto did master Sage mode better than Jiraya, but Jiraya could fuse with the frogs and use sage mode for longer. Jiraya could also create Rasengan without clones, and had been using the technique for years. We have to assume his improved control would have made him better with it in a close fight (Imagine how much better Naruto will get with them this year!)

Naruto did beat Pain, but using the information that Jiraya and the rest of the villages gathered about him. Even with that info, it was a well-matched fight. It only tipped in Naruto's favor when Hinata got involved and set off Naruto's emotional reaction to turn into the 8-tail fox. Without that, Pain wouldn't have exhausted as much chakra and likely would have won in the end.

So in the end, I think your rankings are probably accurate, but they do leave out some other key characters, and they are also incomplete. We can't just rank based on "who would win in a fight", because different characters have different strengths and weaknesses. Naruto has more strength and power than Danzou has, but in a fight I think Danzou would win because of the ability gap in using genjutsu. We have to consider strength, power (chakra reserves), jutsus, weaknessess, stamina, etc. If we held a Tournament ("who would win in a fight") tomorrow, I think these would be nearly the results:

1) Pain
2) Killer Bee
3) Kisame
4) Jiraya
5) Itachi
6) Madara
7) Kakashi
8) Sasuke
9) Danzou
10) Naruto
11) Jugo
12) Tsunade

Other Akatsuki members, though powerful, were already killed by people in this list or lower. As for #1 and #2 above, it's a crapshoot whether Pain or Killer Bee would win if they fought each other. I suspect Pain would, but that's just a wild guess.

Also, if we ranked in terms of sheer power (ignoring the outcomes of individual battles) I think the rankings change significantly (I keep the numbers the same as above to compare):

2) Killer Bee
10) Naruto
3) Kisame
1) Pain
4) Jiraya
11) Jugo
12) Tsunade
5) Itachi
8) Sasuke
7) Kakashi
9) Danzou
6) Madara

My rankings for Madara are speculative because we haven't seen him do much fighting, only heard how Itachi described him ("shell of his former self"). Naruto has a crap-ton of power and potential, but is lacking the training and techniques to completely utilize it. In sage mode he can kill one of Pain's bodies with one punch. Killer Bee has a perfect pairing with his tailed beast, and that gives him lots of power (and we've seen him fight, he's stood his ground against Kisame 1:1, and against all of Taka). Kakashi is talented but his chakra reserves can be depleted quickly. Danzou has cool techniques but has shown he needs to conserve chakra. Tsunade isn't a fighter, but has a lot of chakra available for healing and summoning. Jugo has power, but we haven't seen the extent of it yet. Pain had enough chakra to power 6 bodies, who each were more powerful than several konoha warriors, and because of his many bodies he's extremely difficult to fight against fairly. Kisame is powerful, but it appears most of his ability is tied to his sword (and the sword did decide to help Killer Bee in the fight).

Somewhere in there I should include the Raikage and Gaara too, but we haven't seen enough of them recently to make comparisons. We also haven't seen Kabuto since he absorbed the remains of Orochimaru. I suspect he will be quite strong. I can't think of anybody who would really be added to both lists.

 

[Narutofan123457]

I have a feeling the Izanagi has something to do with Danzo's sharingans, cuz if you remember the chapter, Danzo was able to make the move without creating any handseals that we no of. If that's the case, none of the MS moves-Kakashi's dimension, Madara's dimension, Sasuke/Itachi eye moves-involve the use of handseals.

 

[Narutofan123457]

I just remembered something... what if the Izanagi has nothing to do with the way Danzo can disappear even tho he looks dead. What if that is just the power he got from Shisu's eye when he stole it, and the actual tech is something much bigger and more powerful? Remember, Shisu was known as the teleporter... that would also explain the lack of handseals. So maybe the Izanagi is a way to use all of the techs of past Uchiha's if they have their eyes, cuz that would explain why the tech is forbidden...

 

[CRK2191]

Jiraya is quite powerful, definitely more poweful than Tsunade I think. At least, his power was focused more on fighting and hers more on healing.

Naruto did master Sage mode better than Jiraya, but Jiraya could fuse with the frogs and use sage mode for longer. Jiraya could also create Rasengan without clones, and had been using the technique for years. We have to assume his improved control would have made him better with it in a close fight (Imagine how much better Naruto will get with them this year!)

Naruto did beat Pain, but using the information that Jiraya and the rest of the villages gathered about him. Even with that info, it was a well-matched fight. It only tipped in Naruto's favor when Hinata got involved and set off Naruto's emotional reaction to turn into the 8-tail fox. Without that, Pain wouldn't have exhausted as much chakra and likely would have won in the end.

So in the end, I think your rankings are probably accurate, but they do leave out some other key characters, and they are also incomplete. We can't just rank based on "who would win in a fight", because different characters have different strengths and weaknesses. Naruto has more strength and power than Danzou has, but in a fight I think Danzou would win because of the ability gap in using genjutsu. We have to consider strength, power (chakra reserves), jutsus, weaknessess, stamina, etc. If we held a Tournament ("who would win in a fight") tomorrow, I think these would be nearly the results:

1) Pain
2) Killer Bee
3) Kisame
4) Jiraya
5) Itachi
6) Madara
7) Kakashi
8) Sasuke
9) Danzou
10) Naruto
11) Jugo
12) Tsunade

Other Akatsuki members, though powerful, were already killed by people in this list or lower. As for #1 and #2 above, it's a crapshoot whether Pain or Killer Bee would win if they fought each other. I suspect Pain would, but that's just a wild guess.

Also, if we ranked in terms of sheer power (ignoring the outcomes of individual battles) I think the rankings change significantly (I keep the numbers the same as above to compare):

2) Killer Bee
10) Naruto
3) Kisame
1) Pain
4) Jiraya
11) Jugo
12) Tsunade
5) Itachi
8) Sasuke
7) Kakashi
9) Danzou
6) Madara

My rankings for Madara are speculative because we haven't seen him do much fighting, only heard how Itachi described him ("shell of his former self"). Naruto has a crap-ton of power and potential, but is lacking the training and techniques to completely utilize it. In sage mode he can kill one of Pain's bodies with one punch. Killer Bee has a perfect pairing with his tailed beast, and that gives him lots of power (and we've seen him fight, he's stood his ground against Kisame 1:1, and against all of Taka). Kakashi is talented but his chakra reserves can be depleted quickly. Danzou has cool techniques but has shown he needs to conserve chakra. Tsunade isn't a fighter, but has a lot of chakra available for healing and summoning. Jugo has power, but we haven't seen the extent of it yet. Pain had enough chakra to power 6 bodies, who each were more powerful than several konoha warriors, and because of his many bodies he's extremely difficult to fight against fairly. Kisame is powerful, but it appears most of his ability is tied to his sword (and the sword did decide to help Killer Bee in the fight).

Somewhere in there I should include the Raikage and Gaara too, but we haven't seen enough of them recently to make comparisons. We also haven't seen Kabuto since he absorbed the remains of Orochimaru. I suspect he will be quite strong. I can't think of anybody who would really be added to both lists.

SAKURA!!!! lol, no but seriously, possibly Shikamaru, not with strength but with brains.

 

[Whiteknight]

The fact that Pain was the leader of Akatsuki not Itachi proves that Pain was stronger than Itachi. Well we never saw Itachi using his true powers as he never intended to kill Sasuke. However Jiraiya in my view is stronger than Itachi, remember Itachi saying "taking him head on will not be good even if we increase our numbers" but Oro never got a chance of beating Itachi and at the same time we heard and saw Oro and Jiraiya fought n no one was able to win( i think Jiraiya tried not to kill him first and when fighting alongside Tsunade he was could only use 30% of his chakra) its quite weird.

We don't know from the Akatsuki heirarchy who was more powerful than who. Pain and Madara started the organization and had the plan. That doesn't mean they were more powerful. That's like saying Bill Gates was the best programmer at Microsoft because he was in charge. Being in charge only means he was there first and had the best plan.

We did see a time when Orochimaru tried to take Itachi's body, and Itachi beat him up easily. We can guess from this that Itachi was more powerful than Orochimaru.

The fight between Orochimaru and Tsunade+Jiraya was a bad example. Orochimaru's hands were still sealed, and Jiraya was at 30% power. We can't learn anything from that fight.

 

[Whiteknight]

I just remembered something... what if the Izanagi has nothing to do with the way Danzo can disappear even tho he looks dead. What if that is just the power he got from Shisu's eye when he stole it, and the actual tech is something much bigger and more powerful? Remember, Shisu was known as the teleporter... that would also explain the lack of handseals. So maybe the Izanagi is a way to use all of the techs of past Uchiha's if they have their eyes, cuz that would explain why the tech is forbidden...

I'm not remembering that information about Shisui. Do you know where in the manga they mentioned that?

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

Jiraya is quite powerful, definitely more poweful than Tsunade I think. At least, his power was focused more on fighting and hers more on healing.

Naruto did master Sage mode better than Jiraya, but Jiraya could fuse with the frogs and use sage mode for longer. Jiraya could also create Rasengan without clones, and had been using the technique for years. We have to assume his improved control would have made him better with it in a close fight (Imagine how much better Naruto will get with them this year!)

Naruto did beat Pain, but using the information that Jiraya and the rest of the villages gathered about him. Even with that info, it was a well-matched fight. It only tipped in Naruto's favor when Hinata got involved and set off Naruto's emotional reaction to turn into the 8-tail fox. Without that, Pain wouldn't have exhausted as much chakra and likely would have won in the end.

So in the end, I think your rankings are probably accurate, but they do leave out some other key characters, and they are also incomplete. We can't just rank based on "who would win in a fight", because different characters have different strengths and weaknesses. Naruto has more strength and power than Danzou has, but in a fight I think Danzou would win because of the ability gap in using genjutsu. We have to consider strength, power (chakra reserves), jutsus, weaknessess, stamina, etc. If we held a Tournament ("who would win in a fight") tomorrow, I think these would be nearly the results:

1) Pain
2) Killer Bee
3) Kisame
4) Jiraya
5) Itachi
6) Madara
7) Kakashi
8) Sasuke
9) Danzou
10) Naruto
11) Jugo
12) Tsunade

Other Akatsuki members, though powerful, were already killed by people in this list or lower. As for #1 and #2 above, it's a crapshoot whether Pain or Killer Bee would win if they fought each other. I suspect Pain would, but that's just a wild guess.

Also, if we ranked in terms of sheer power (ignoring the outcomes of individual battles) I think the rankings change significantly (I keep the numbers the same as above to compare):

2) Killer Bee
10) Naruto
3) Kisame
1) Pain
4) Jiraya
11) Jugo
12) Tsunade
5) Itachi
8) Sasuke
7) Kakashi
9) Danzou
6) Madara

My rankings for Madara are speculative because we haven't seen him do much fighting, only heard how Itachi described him ("shell of his former self"). Naruto has a crap-ton of power and potential, but is lacking the training and techniques to completely utilize it. In sage mode he can kill one of Pain's bodies with one punch. Killer Bee has a perfect pairing with his tailed beast, and that gives him lots of power (and we've seen him fight, he's stood his ground against Kisame 1:1, and against all of Taka). Kakashi is talented but his chakra reserves can be depleted quickly. Danzou has cool techniques but has shown he needs to conserve chakra. Tsunade isn't a fighter, but has a lot of chakra available for healing and summoning. Jugo has power, but we haven't seen the extent of it yet. Pain had enough chakra to power 6 bodies, who each were more powerful than several konoha warriors, and because of his many bodies he's extremely difficult to fight against fairly. Kisame is powerful, but it appears most of his ability is tied to his sword (and the sword did decide to help Killer Bee in the fight).

Somewhere in there I should include the Raikage and Gaara too, but we haven't seen enough of them recently to make comparisons. We also haven't seen Kabuto since he absorbed the remains of Orochimaru. I suspect he will be quite strong. I can't think of anybody who would really be added to both lists.

dude your thought on Naruto vs Pain matches mine, Naruto was just lucky. In that sense Jiraiya did extremely well its a shame that he is dead he is one of my most favourite character.

 

[Naruto_Lee]

Thats not hard training, he was born with a KG that allows him to instantly copy techniques, he was born a genius and doesnt have to work hard, on the other hand naruto works and trains hard because he cant just copy his technique, sasuke is jsut lucky!

man u agreed with me that sasuke is not a genius............but now why are you mentioning sasuke as a born genius............just say like this sasuke is born with a gift............his birth in that clan itself was a useful gift for them....................i told this thing before 5 discussions ..........

 

[Naruto_Lee]

I agree with this. Itachi was known to be a genius and knows more about the capabilities of the sharingan than sasuke does. Everything Sasuke knows about the sharingan he learned from Itachi, after all. Madara knows about Izanagi, it's not hard to imagine that Itachi heard rumors about it as well in his time.

Not to mention that Itachi was considered a genius and extremely talented with Genjutsu. Itachi wouldn't be wasting chakra as quickly or extravagantly as Sasuke is in the battle with Danzou right now.

We don't know for certain, but if what Madara said is true it's possible that Itachi let Sasuke win, so their fight doesn't mean that Sasuke is more powerful than Itachi.

Keep in mind that we haven't seen the conclusion to the Sasuke vs Danzou battle, and Danzou apparently has a lot of tricks. At this point I think Itachi would be beating Danzou, but we haven't seen all of Danzou's secrets yet.

In the mythical battle of Sasuke vs Pain, I think Pain would have won. Pain had access to all 5 elements, and Sasuke only uses lightning and fire. Pain could easily have used complimentary elements to turn chidori and fire attacks back at Sasuke. Also, Pain's gravity attacks would have been unbeatable by Sasuke. Remember that Naruto needed to upgrade to 8-tailed fox mode to break out of the one gravity attack, that's power that Sasuke cannot match (especially without his cursed seal). One Pain can summon many monsters (which Naruto could beat in Sage mode, but Sasuke doesn't have sage mode), one Pain can absorb ninjutsu (Which, I think, would include amaterasu), one Pain can steal souls from the body (which we never saw a decent defense to, Naruto killed that one with a surprise Rasen Shuruken). Deva Pain has a 5 second window on his Shinra Tensei though, which would have given Sasuke plenty of time (Remember how fast Sasuke is).

the pein that absorbs ninjutsu,and one who revives others and god realm will be enough for sasuke..........all the jutsus like chidori and other fire techniques and even ametarasu will be absorbed by him .........even if sasuke uses genjutsu on any of the three pein sasuke do not have a chance.........even with the curse mark sasuke doesnt have any chance if all the six pain battles..............

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

Ok i have asked this type of questions quite a few times but i cant resist to ask this who would have won if Pain and Madara fought , my guess Madara.

After seeing Danzou many people have completely turned their focus on him not on Madara. Madara himself said that he is a mere shell of his former self. But i think even now Madara strong enough to defeat Itachi remember how he was able to get out of the Amaterasu which was set up by Itachi. He also said that he was glad that Itachi doesn't know all of his tricks. Kakashi saying that Madara's spacetime ninjutsu is even more advanced than the Fourth. Which gives me the feeling that even at this moment Madara is the strongest character of the manga. The reason i said that Madara will win bcoz Pain knew of Madara welll Madara also knew about Pain. Genjutsus won't work on both of them. And Madara just simply keeps avoiding all attacks by using that spacetime ninjutsu. Its really amazing that he can disappear any part of his body anytime although there has to be a weakness to that technique just like others.

I know this is a stupid question but i'm not sure about this so can anyone plz clearify this :
can the Byakugan see through genjutsu
can the Rinnegan see through genjutsu (i only guessed that Rinnegan can c through genjutsu as it is said to be superior to sharingan)

 

[zed]

Jiraya is quite powerful, definitely more poweful than Tsunade I think. At least, his power was focused more on fighting and hers more on healing.

Naruto did .....
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... he absorbed the remains of Orochimaru. I suspect he will be quite strong. I can't think of anybody who would really be added to both lists.

I agree with most of your ranking but i wont add Madara and Danzo just now, as we havn't seen their full potential.... also i wud put Itachi above Kisame and below KB (assuming that both KB and Kisame dont have Samheda)

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

well we all know that the Fourth Hokage was able to summon Gamabunta as Jiraiya was his sensei but was it ever mentioned that just like Jiraiya Minato was also a sage?