Naruto or Sasuke: Better strategist?

[Tennis Robot]

Naruto; simply because of Sasuke's arrogance.

 

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Lel Naruto fooled BZ the smartest being on NV but Sasuke and the rest of Uchiha got shat on.
Naruto and not even close in battle tactics and strategy.

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[Gagster]

@Bold

I have already proven Gag wrong.Did you even read my comments? He skipped over 95 percent of Sasuke Vs Deidera which was fillied with strategy to piont out Sasuke did that he thought was stupid. He even believed Manda was Sasuke's summoning - when everyone knows that Orochimaru is the snake guy.



Notice how he only mentions the Manda summoning and skips over the whole fight.And what he got from Sasuke Vs Danzo was "Sasuke just spams Susano'o and Amaterasu."

He ignores/forgets/didn't even know of the strategy that Sasuke used that i explained.

Why do you believe Gag was right if you read my post? notice how he said practically nothing to counter my post.And NOTHING to prove his piont that Naruto is a better strategest then Sasuke.

He downplays Sasuke battles which i corrected,and he hypes up Naruto and deos NOTHING to back it up.All he said was Naruto was better and explained nothing.How can you says Sasuke had little to no strategy in those battles after reading my post?

Is it because you didn't read them ? Lol Read Sasuke s Deidera and Sasuke vs Danzo and tell me if Sasuke had little to no strategy.He was forming and doing his strategy the whole time.

And no one really said anything about Naruto's strategies. i was the one who said the most about Naruto's Strategies even though i'm on Sasuke's side.

Seroiusly go back to the prevoius page.I was the one who said the most about Naruto's strategies despite not thinking he's above Sasuke.

Your excuse is lack of battles? Naruto made up for that in the War.Naruto was fighting Nagato/Itachi,Tobi,the Six Edo Jin Pains,The Bijuu,Etc while Sasuke wasn't.

He came in after Naruto had several fights.I already went into some detail about Sasuke's battles,which you clearly ignore.

Lel, ok. You are so in denial it's not even funny. If you really don't think that Sasuke is a snake summoner than you don't even belong on this tread.

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Your have to be playing ngnorant right? I clearly went over fights where Sasuke had NO strategy and Just spammed Susanoo and Amaterasu.
Your crying about Sasuke not having as many fights as Naruto, but your ignoring the Kages,Kakashi,Killer Bee, Madara, and Kaguya. Where he used no strategy what so ever.
But if you choose to delude yourself whatever, I can't make a horse drink water. Talk about the Dedeira and Danzo fight more, maybe those will make up for it.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Lel Naruto fooled BZ the smartest being on NV but Sasuke and the rest of Uchiha got shat on.
Naruto and not even close in battle tactics and strategy.

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Weak counter.Zetsu lived for centuries and you put Naruto above the Uchihas cause they couldn't see the truth through his years of planning while Naruto was able to trick him for a moment in battle?

That bias.That's the only thing you could come up with

 

[Stxluciferr]

Lel, ok. You are so in denial it's not even funny. If you really don't think that Sasuke is a snake summoner than you don't even belong on this tread.

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Your have to be playing ngnorant right? I clearly went over fights where Sasuke had NO strategy and Just spammed Susanoo and Amaterasu.
Your crying about Sasuke not having as many fights as Naruto, but your ignoring the Kages,Kakashi,Killer Bee, Madara, and Kaguya. Where he used no strategy what so ever.
But if you choose to delude yourself whatever, I can't make a horse drink water. Talk about the Dedeira and Danzo fight more, maybe those will make up for it.

What does it matter if Sasuke is the summoner or not, it wasn't even the best tactical/strategic move of that fight, almost every move Sasuke made before that against Deidara had a purpose.

And in most cases where Sasuke Ama/Susanoo spammed they were the best strategic decisions

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Lel, ok. You are so in denial it's not even funny. If you really don't think that Sasuke is a snake summoner than you don't even belong on this tread.

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Your have to be playing ngnorant right? I clearly went over fights where Sasuke had NO strategy and Just spammed Susanoo and Amaterasu.
Your crying about Sasuke not having as many fights as Naruto, but your ignoring the Kages,Kakashi,Killer Bee, Madara, and Kaguya. Where he used no strategy what so ever.
But if you choose to delude yourself whatever, I can't make a horse drink water. Talk about the Dedeira and Danzo fight more, maybe those will make up for it.

I mentioned multiple battles with Sasuke in it.You just choose to akwnowledge Sasuke Vs Danzo and Deidara because you realized you couldn't lie about there being no strategy.

And i wasn't crying about Sasuke not having as many fights.Did you skip over sentences? Bencoby mentioned Naruto not having as much fights as Sasuke and i simply countered by mentioning the fights Naruto had that Sasuke didn't.

Why do you pick and choose which information to awknowledge some info while ignoring others.Work on your reading comprension.

I already mentioned the KB fight,and the Kage summit battles alittle.I even made a list.You ignored that and post right now acting like i didn't mention it,when i did but didn't bother going into full detail.

I already Mentioned the Naruto and Sasuke Vs Madara battle.Dude read chapter 674,who came up with the strategies? Yet you say he came up with none.

Stop ignoring info.No wonder you're so biased against Sasuke.It's like you automatically block out anything that supports him.Do i have to spoon fed you every piece of Info like i did with Sasuke Vs Danzo?

 

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Weak counter.Zetsu lived for centuries and you put Naruto above the Uchihas cause they couldn't see the truth through his years of planning while Naruto was able to trick him for a moment in battle?

That bias.That's the only thing you could come up with

Counter? Who said I was countering anything. I was stating Manga Facts.
Naruto fooled someone who fooled everyone and no one could ever fool.

In fact you're the one who is pretty biased saying this doesn't count.​

 

[Tennis Robot]

This argument is pointless. I put this matter to rest with six words.

 

[bencoby]

@Bold

I have already proven Gag wrong.Did you even read my comments? He skipped over 95 percent of Sasuke Vs Deidera which was fillied with strategy to piont out what Sasuke did that he thought was stupid. He even believed Manda was Sasuke's summoning - when everyone knows that Orochimaru is the snake guy.



Notice how he only mentions the Manda summoning and skips over the whole fight.And what he got from Sasuke Vs Danzo was "Sasuke just spams Susano'o and Amaterasu."

He ignores/forgets/didn't even know of the strategy that Sasuke used that i explained.

Why do you believe Gag was right if you read my post? notice how he said practically nothing to counter my post.And NOTHING to prove his piont that Naruto is a better strategest then Sasuke.

He downplays Sasuke battles which i corrected,and he hypes up Naruto and deos NOTHING to back it up.All he said was Naruto was better and explained nothing.How can you say Sasuke had little to no strategy in those battles after reading my post?

Is it because you didn't read them ? Lol Read Sasuke vs Deidera and Sasuke vs Danzo and tell me if Sasuke had little to no strategy.He was forming and doing his strategy the whole time.Analyzing his opponent,figuring out their powers,forming a counter and doing it.That's strategy.

And no one really said anything about Naruto's strategies. i was the one who said the most about Naruto's Strategies even though i'm on Sasuke's side.

Seroiusly go back to the prevoius page.I was the one who said the most about Naruto's strategies despite not thinking he's above Sasuke.

Your excuse is lack of battles? Naruto made up for that in the War.Naruto was fighting Nagato/Itachi,Tobi,the Six Edo Jin Pains,The Bijuu,Etc,before Sasuke even arrived at the battlefield.

He came in after Naruto had several fights.I already went into some detail about Sasuke's battles,which you clearly ignored.


Could Kakashi use multiple big Fire style jutsu,to manipulate the whether to create rain,so it could thunder,and then control the thunder itself with ease?

Could Kakashi summon Orochimaru's own Snake and then use Solo Glance to control him as use him as a sheild to escape a big explosion?

Could Kakashi have figured out Izanagi while fighting Danzo? Most likely - if he could force him to keep using the Jutsu with something as good as Susano'o.

I think Kakashi and Sasuke are pretty equal with strategy.I was just countering you saying Kakashi could replicate everything Sasuke did.

Okay, i am not supporting all of Gangs arguments. The one i am supporting is the one where Sasuke has had 10 battles with 4 good showings and 6 bad showings.
Yes Sasuke has got a couple of battles where he came up with strategies but not all of them. Basically Sasuke has gotten afew good showings and more bad showings in all his battles he has fought.

That's not even close, even assuming we add his fights during the war to his pre war fights, he would still have less battle counts compared to Sasuke who have more . Moreover I was talking of quality over quantity.

Yes I did read your points for Naruto, but others also made some points as well and I am sure you also know of such battles as well.

So if you compare both of them, Sasuke clearly has more battle counts whereas Naruto has had Lower counts and this low count has not hindered Naruto in proving that his as smart as Sasuke or smarter.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

"Lel, ok. You are so in denial it's not even funny. If you really don't think that Sasuke is a snake summoner than you don't even belong on this tread. "

Sasuke summoned the Snakes but he's not the owner.Like Kakashi owns the dogs,Naruto,Jiraiya,and,Minato own the toads and Sasuke the Hawks - they signed the contract,those are they animals.

Sasuke is not the owner of Manda yet you say 'He killed his own Summoning" as if Sasuke is suppoused to care about Orochimaru's snakes.Thats what i mean.Sasuke didn't sign the Snake contract.Those aren't his animals.They're Orochimarus so for you to act like it was dumb for Sasuke to use Manda as a shield which killed him is stupid.

Okay, i am not supporting all of Gangs arguments. The one i am supporting is the one where Sasuke has had 10 battles with 4 good showings and 6 bad showings.
Yes Sasuke has got a couple of battles where he came up with strategies but not all of them. Basically Sasuke has gotten afew good showings and more bad showings in all his battles he has fought.

That's not even close, even assuming we add his fights during the war to his pre war fights, he would still have less battle counts compared to Sasuke who have more . Moreover I was talking of quality over quantity.

Yes I did read your points for Naruto, but others also made some points as well and I am sure you also know of such battles as well.

So if you compare both of them, Sasuke clearly has more battle counts whereas Naruto has had Lower counts and this low count has not hindered Naruto in proving that his as smart as Sasuke or smarter.

What has Naruto come up with that was as Strategic as Sasuke Vs Danzo or Sasuke Vs Deidara which you guys are debating against clearly don't even remember.

Who's strategy Landed hits on Madara for both Naruto and Sasuke? Seperately and at the same time?

Who manipulated whether itself and used it as an attack? Which was preplanned?

Who was worried about Edo Hiruzen? And who knew what the Kages were doing when fighting Juubito?

Sasuke has shown more battle smarts in and out of battle.

Who saved Team 7 from IT? Who was about to leave Susano'o during IT?

Counter? Who said I was countering anything. I was stating Manga Facts.
Naruto fooled someone who fooled everyone and no one could ever fool.

In fact you're the one who is pretty biased saying this doesn't count.​

You're trying to use Zetsu who changed history for centuries as a way to downplay the Uchiha - which Sasuke is,as if Sasuke was suppoused to see through Zetsu's centuries of planning.

You put Naruto above Zetsu and Sasuke because Naruto fooled him for a moment in battle,while Sasuke didn't see through Zetsus centuries of planning thats what you did.

Lef me guess Zetsu is stronger than Madara cause he killed him right? By your logic yes.Naruto is better than Zetsu cause he tricked him for a moment.Which Means Naruto is better than the Uchihas cause the Uchihas didn't see through Zetsus centuries of planning,while Naruto fooled him for a minute.

Thats your logic.

 

[Gagster]

I mentioned multiple battles with Sasuke in it.You just choose to akwnowledge Sasuke Vs Danzo and Deidara because you realized you couldn't lie about there being no strategy.

And i wasn't crying about Sasuke not having as many fights.Did you skip over sentences? Bencoby mentioned Naruto not having as much fights as Sasuke and i simply countered by mentioning the fight Naruto had that Sasuke didn't.

Why do you pick and choose which information to awknowledge while ignoring others.I already mentioned the KB fight,and the Kage summit battles.You ignored that and post right now acting like i didn't mention it,when i did but didn't bother going into full detail.

I already Mentioned the Naruto and Sasuke Vs Madara battle.Dude read chapter 674,who came up with the strategies? Yet you say he came up with none.

Stop ignoring info.No wonder you're so biased against Sasuke.It's like you automatically block out anything that supports him.Do i have to spoon fed you every piece of Info like i did with Sasuke Vs Danzo?

I already showed you battles where he didn't use any strategies. The MAJORITY of his battles all since he got Susanoo has had no stratgey, but your still bringing up the Dedeira and Danzo battle, where in one he didn't have Susanoo.

Ill say it again in case you missed it the first 3 times.
The Kages, Killer Bee, Kakashi, and Madara fights. All battles were Sasuke used no plans/strategies and just used amaterasu and susanoo.

What strategy did he come up with in the Madara battle? You keep saying he did but he didn't. Do you even know what a plan is?

 

[QdonEms]

Naruto doesnt think tbh his attack pattern is more of a trial and error.

 

[Gagster]

"Lel, ok. You are so in denial it's not even funny. If you really don't think that Sasuke is a snake summoner than you don't even belong on this tread. "

Sasuke summoned the Snakes but he's not the owner.Like Kakashi owns the dogs,Naruto,Jiraiya,and,Minato own the toads and Sasuke the Hawks - they signed the contract,those are they animals.

Sasuke is not the owner of Manda yet you say 'He killed his own Summoning" as if Sasuke is suppoused to care about Orochimaru's snakes.Thats what i mean.Sasuke didn't sign the Snake contract.Those aren't his animals.They're Orochimarus so for you to act like it was dumb for Sasuke to use Manda as a shield which killed him is stupid.

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I'm done with you.

 

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You're trying to use Zetsu who changed history for centuries as a way to downplay the Uchiha - which Sasuke is,as if Sasuke was suppoused to see through Zetsu's centuries of planning.

You put Naruto above Zetsu and Sasuke because Naruto fooled him for a moment in battle,while Sasuke didn't see through Zetsus centuries of planning thats what you did.

Lef me guess Zetsu is stronger than Madara cause he killed him right? By your logic yes.Naruto is better than Zetsu cause he tricked him for a moment.Which Means Naruto is better than the Uchihas cause the Uchihas didn't see through Zetsus centuries of planning,while Naruto fooled him for a minute.

Thats your logic.

No you fapboy you are trying to overlook Naruto's feat just so it feats your agenda.
Who told you the bold shit? Black Zetsu killed Madara because he was smarter than Madara and tricked him.

Sasuke got caught by BZ and couldn't even move until Naruto saved both of them.
Manga Fact says Naruto fooled the smartest being on NV multiple times and you say no it doesnt count.

Why? Because you don't won't to count this feat that makes every one of Sasuke's strategy feats look fodder.

Unless you come up with something better and stop being a straw man don't even bother to re-quote me.​

 

[Stxluciferr]

I already showed you battles where he didn't use any strategies. The MAJORITY of his battles all since he got Susanoo has had no stratgey, but your still bringing up the Dedeira and Danzo battle, where in one he didn't have Susanoo.

Ill say it again in case you missed it the first 3 times.
The Kages, Killer Bee, Kakashi, and Madara fights. All battles were Sasuke used no plans/strategies and just used amaterasu and susanoo.

What strategy did he come up with in the Madara battle? You keep saying he did but he didn't. Do you even know what a plan is?

@bold

Raikage- used Susanoo/Amaterasu as a tactical counter to Raikages lack of long ranged techs

Gaara- used susanoo to strategically knock out pillars to cause the ceiling to cave in for a tactical retreat

Mei- used susanoo to force the acid to leak into the room where the other kages were forcing Mei to cancel it

Against Kakashi Sasuke was just blood lusted

Killer bee just had to much swag

 

[bencoby]

"Lel, ok. You are so in denial it's not even funny. If you really don't think that Sasuke is a snake summoner than you don't even belong on this tread. "

Sasuke summoned the Snakes but he's not the owner.Like Kakashi owns the dogs,Naruto,Jiraiya,and,Minato own the toads and Sasuke the Hawks - they signed the contract,those are they animals.

Sasuke is not the owner of Manda yet you say 'He killed his own Summoning" as if Sasuke is suppoused to care about Orochimaru's snakes.Thats what i mean.Sasuke didn't sign the Snake contract.Those aren't his animals.They're Orochimarus so for you to act like it was dumb for Sasuke to use Manda as a shield which killed him is stupid.


What has Naruto come up with that was as Strategic as Sasuke Vs Danzo or Sasuke Vs Deidara which you guys are debating against clearly don't even remember.

Who's strategy Landed hits on Madara for both Naruto and Sasuke? Seperately and at the same time?

Who manipulated whether itself and used it as an attack? Which was preplanned?

Who was worried about Edo Hiruzen? And who knew what the Kages were doing when fighting Juubito?

Sasuke has shown more battle smarts in and out of battle.

Who saved Team 7 from IT? Who was about to leave Susano'o during IT?


You're trying to use Zetsu who changed history for centuries as a way to downplay the Uchiha - which Sasuke is,as if Sasuke was suppoused to see through Zetsu's centuries of planning.

You put Naruto above Zetsu and Sasuke because Naruto fooled him for a moment in battle,while Sasuke didn't see through Zetsus centuries of planning thats what you did.

Lef me guess Zetsu is stronger than Madara cause he killed him right? By your logic yes.Naruto is better than Zetsu cause he tricked him for a moment.Which Means Naruto is better than the Uchihas cause the Uchihas didn't see through Zetsus centuries of planning,while Naruto fooled him for a minute.

Thats your logic.

(1) Who are you directing that to? I never said anything about Manda.

(2) Just because Naruto didn't fight danzo or deidara doesn't mean he wouldn't have come up with clever strategies to deal with both fights.
Narutos battles against foes of similar or greater stature has shown that he has more than enough to contend which ever battles Sasuke has fought in.

(3,4) All those had nothing to do with strategy, it was all thanks to his powers/ abilities.

(4) Worrying about someone during a battle doesn't reduce your battle competence what so ever. If anything its a plus.

(5) Again its all because of his rennigan. Take away his renni and there is no strategy Sasule could come up with to counter IT.

So all in all Naruto is as smart if not smarter in and out of battles as well.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

I already showed you battles where he didn't use any strategies. The MAJORITY of his battles all since he got Susanoo has had no stratgey, but your still bringing up the Dedeira and Danzo battle, where in one he didn't have Susanoo.

Ill say it again in case you missed it the first 3 times.
The Kages, Killer Bee, Kakashi, and Madara fights. All battles were Sasuke used no plans/strategies and just used amaterasu and susanoo.

What strategy did he come up with in the Madara battle? You keep saying he did but he didn't. Do you even know what a plan is?

He worked with His team against Bee.I already said that.You choose to ignore it.As i said he gave them orders from where to attack at the begining,and during the fight he told Karin to sense his location.

I already explained the Kages.Im not going to continoiusly type the same things.Either go back and read my post or ignore info like always.

When did he fight Kakashi? During the summit after he had fought like 10 other people the same day? Lol you're holding it against him for not coming up with a strategy there?

Naruto and Sasuke Vs Madara - i have gave you the chapter more than once.I have said 674 which you have ignored.I gave you the chapter.Maybe you're too lazy to read it yourself and i have to spoon feed you the info.

If Sasuke used no strategy than how did he figure out how to use his new powers well enough to land multiple hits on Madara?

Who anaylzed Limbo and formed plans to counter it? 674 674 674.Once again Sasuke is going against Someone who is using a technique he has never seen before and he's figuring it out in battle and successfully countering it.

He did that against Deidera,Danzo,and Madara - those come to my mind first.

Now here is a scan from chapter 674 - Naruto and Sasuke Vs Madara.The same chapter i have pionted out which you ignore.

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Just like in the Danzo fight,Tobi pionted out Sasuke's performance,with him analyzing his opponents techniques and forming a plan to counter etc.Now here is Madara doing the same.

Do you not believe in Madara when he thinks about how Sasuke was strategizing against him in their battle? Is Madara wrong? Was he just spamming Susano'o and Amaterasu? And look what happens a few pages later.

Thanks to Sasuke Strategy,both Naruto and Sasuke land a hit - at the same time. Why did i have to even piont this out?

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Also did you notice Naruto say he's taking orders from Sasuke and nothing has changed?

Do you not believe in Naruto?

(1) Who are you directing that to? I never said anything about Manda.

(2) Just because Naruto didn't fight danzo or deidara doesn't mean he wouldn't have come up with clever strategies to deal with both fights.
Narutos battles against foes of similar or greater stature has shown that he has more than enough to contend which ever battles Sasuke has fought in.

(3,4) All those had nothing to do with strategy, it was all thanks to his powers/ abilities.

(4) Worrying about someone during a battle doesn't reduce your battle competence what so ever. If anything its a plus.

(5) Again its all because of his rennigan. Take away his renni and there is no strategy Sasule could come up with to counter IT.

So all in all Naruto is as smart if not smarter in and out of battles as well.

Lol don't take this debate seroiusly.I'm not even bothering to direct my post completely to the correct person.It was a combination of Gagster,Kotori,and you.

The Manda part was too Gagster,which you would know if you read our comments which i knew you didn't considering you thought Sasuke hasn't shown strategy during times when he did.

Anyway.I'm tired.I had more energy earlier and He couldn't even come up with a proper response,and still can't.

He hypes Naruto but mentions no pionts that supports him,instead he nitpicks at Sasukes battles.

No you fapboy you are trying to overlook Naruto's feat just so it feats your agenda.
Who told you the bold shit? Black Zetsu killed Madara because he was smarter than Madara and tricked him.

Sasuke got caught by BZ and couldn't even move until Naruto saved both of them.
Manga Fact says Naruto fooled the smartest being on NV multiple times and you say no it doesnt count.

Why? Because you don't won't to count this feat that makes every one of Sasuke's strategy feats look fodder.

Unless you come up with something better and stop being a straw man don't even bother to re-quote me.​

Namecalling now.Don't get so rustled over me countering Your ONE piont.You biasly go against everything Sasuke.Whereas i like Naruto and Sasuke.I'm on Sasuke's side here because thats the correct side to be on.

Did you know that people can like both Naruto and Sasuke? If you're going to name call and bring in one weak piont and act like Naruto is better because of that then your a waste of my time right now.I could be sleeping.

Naruto fooling BZ deosn't overcome everything Sasuke did.BZ isn't even a battle type.Yet you want to put Naruto above Sasuke cause he fooled him? If this was one piont along with many then i would awknowledge it more but that is your only piont.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

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I'm done with you.

You brought Nothing but weak pionts and don't ever want to admit you're wrong about anything.

Naruto and it's not even close.
What was Sasuke's best strategy again? Hiding inside his own summon to avoid the explosion, letting his summon get killed by the way.
While Naruto uses unique plans in every battle he's in, Sasuke just spams Susanoo and Amaterasu.

@Bold
My piont was Manda is Orochimaru's snake.If Sasuke deosn't care about Orochimaru.If Sasuke practically killed him then why should he care if his snake dies? You act like letting Manda get killed was bad on Sasuke's part and you downplay him about that.My piont is Sasuke deosn't care about Manda.He wasn't the owner of the contract - Orochimaru was.Sasuke owns hawks,its not like he let his own personal summoning take a hit and die.

It was Orochimaru's.You fail to see that and continue with weak counters and you resort to trolling cause you know you're losing.

You gave me NO reasons of why Naruto is better,all you did was nitpick about Sasuke.

And ofcourse you decide to leave when i prove you wrong.That Sasuke did have stratgies during the Madara fight.

 

[Tennis Robot]

You brought Nothing but weak pionts and don't ever want to admit you're wrong about anything.


@Bold
My piont was Manda is Orochimaru's snake.If Sasuke deosn't care about Orochimaru.If Sasuke practically killed him then why should he care if his snake dies? You act like letting Manda get killed was bad on Sasuke's part and you downplay him about that.My piont is Sasuke deosn't care about Manda.He wasn't the owner of the contract - Orochimaru was.Sasuke owns hawks,its not like he let his own personal summoning take a hit and die.

It was Orochimaru's.You fail to see that and continue with weak counters and you resort to trolling cause you know you're losing.

You gave me NO reasons of why Naruto is better,all you did was nitpick about Sasuke.

And ofcourse you decide to leave when i prove you wrong.That Sasuke did have stratgies during the Madara fight.

You aren't the same?

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

You aren't the same?

What are you even saying.Why do you guys insist in saying stuff and not explaining.I can't read your mind,especially over the internet.Now in what case have i been wrong in?

I've been awake for 25 hours and i'm still thinking on a higher level then the people i've been replying too.

This thread would have been dead if i never came in.